Just now, 315Eagles said:

They lose to the Bengals then some coaches might lose their jobs.

Not to mention everyone get ready because it might be a long, embarrassing year that ends with a top 5 pick.

I think they will win the game but i bet you it’s a lot close then people think it’s going to be. However if the defense plays like it did yesterday burrow could look like LSU burrow 

3 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

The offense "isn't working" because Carson Wentz is misfiring left and right.  He's had plenty of open guys and he's just missing them.  

And you can see his mechanics are off.  It's easy to see.

1 minute ago, Arsenal79 said:

The offense "isn't working" because Carson Wentz is misfiring left and right.  He's had plenty of open guys and he's just missing them.  

Even the throws he’s missing aren’t wide open though

We’re talking about being a couple of inches, maybe a foot off with some of these passes

when I’m watching the game it just seems like our opponents have 2 yards of separation and everything is a battle for us

our margin of error is razor thin.  On half of Goffs throws, he could have thrown them left handed and they’d still be huge plays.  Our offense is like a house of cards where if Wentz isn’t pinpoint accurate, the play falls apart

I could see that wearing on Carson.  

5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Sorry I don’t buy the argument that Wentz needs coached harder

To me it just seems like the offense isn’t working like it used to.  Too many of our plays are sniffed out; there was one drive where the Eagles had some guys open, but other than that, everything seems so much harder

just compare the level of difficulty of Goffs passes vs Wentz’.  I would say the majority of Goffs throws were wide open with only a few where he had to fit it into a tight window, but the opposite was true for Wentz
 

Im just wondering if this is starting to get to Wentz where’s he’s trying to be too precise and it’s getting to him

Watching games yesterday, I noted that other teams often have WRs running in space. The Eagles, not so much. I think Doug's offense is just not that creative and is too easily defended. I think the FO realizes this - how else do you account for the influx of advisers such as Marty?

14 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Sorry I don’t buy the argument that Wentz needs coached harder

To me it just seems like the offense isn’t working like it used to.  Too many of our plays are sniffed out; there was one drive where the Eagles had some guys open, but other than that, everything seems so much harder

just compare the level of difficulty of Goffs passes vs Wentz’.  I would say the majority of Goffs throws were wide open with only a few where he had to fit it into a tight window, but the opposite was true for Wentz
 

Im just wondering if this is starting to get to Wentz where’s he’s trying to be too precise and it’s getting to him

I disagree. His mechanics are all over the place. Yesterday was one of the worst I have ever seen in terms of his footwork. You could go back and watch that game and it’s all over the place. his balls were sailing. His balls are bouncing into DeSean Jackson. on simple check down Miles Sanders has to fully extend just to catch the ball. His mechanics and footwork yesterday we’re bad. Add on his decision making it was really bad.

At the end of 2016 and 2017, you saw his mechanics and footwork were very consistent week to week  It’s why at the end of 2016 he began looking better along with lane being out there. In 2017 when had a game where it was Inconsistent you saw him back the following week with good footwork and mechanics.  he has had far more inconsistent games with his mechanics and footwork since 2018. Which tells me if he’s having more inconsistencies week to week with mechanics/footwork imo he’s either not listening to his coach that’s harping on him or his coach is afraid to say something or his coach doesn’t know how to get through to him or he doesn’t think he has an issue which is alarming.  To illustrate this even in that Dallas game at the end of last year he had some mechanical/footwork issues in that game. That throw that got Zach Ertz hurt was because he had poor footwork on the throw and why sailed and left Zach vulnerable

I don’t disagree with your assertion that the Eagles offense is not making it easier on him. I am hundred percent agree. They lack creativity. This has been discussed at nausea since last year.

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Even the throws he’s missing aren’t wide open though

We’re talking about being a couple of inches, maybe a foot off with some of these passes

when I’m watching the game it just seems like our opponents have 2 yards of separation and everything is a battle for us

our margin of error is razor thin.  On half of Goffs throws, he could have thrown them left handed and they’d still be huge plays.  Our offense is like a house of cards where if Wentz isn’t pinpoint accurate, the play falls apart

I could see that wearing on Carson.  

It is frustrating seeing other teams play and seeing guys running free, wide open for big plays but the Eagles cant seem to do any of that.

As far as Carson, his mechanics are not good right now.  Hell even him throwing a little dump off or screen looks terrible.

Maybe a game or two more and the pressure will be to bring in the Eagles draftees to the defense...Taylor, Wallace, and Bradley can't do any worse than what we are already seeing...at least they won't give up on plays and they will definitely hit the hell out of something

 

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just saying caplan/mosher multiple times said he and wentz butted heads and wentz didn’t prefer his coaching style As he didn’t believe there was an issue with his mechanics that deflilippo tried to ingrain in him as second nature. I want to say berman in a podcast when the story came up about deflilippo being available and back possibly and hinted at some of the same things caplan/mosher did. 

That's still rumor. QBs don't hire the coaches so that's on Doug. Clearly Wentz listened to him though since he played great under him. If there actually was issues then who cares.

Caplan went in on Schwartz today. Said people he talks to tells him he never changes much of anything. Never disguises coverage or blitzes. Rarely breaks his mold.

4 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

It is frustrating seeing other teams play and seeing guys running free, wide open for big plays but the Eagles cant seem to do any of that.

As far as Carson, his mechanics are not good right now.  Hell even him throwing a little dump off or screen looks terrible.

I’ll put it this way there was a play in that game where Sanders is cutting across the field  Linebacker is training him and if wentz hits him in stride Sanders has a chance to go 20-30 yards maybe even take it to the house. But Carson throws it flat-footed and the ball is behind sanders and able to be deflected incomplete. That is footwork and mechanics. A good throw that’s a huge pickup. 

13 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

That's still rumor. QBs don't hire the coaches so that's on Doug. Clearly Wentz listened to him though since he played great under him. If there actually was issues then who cares.

Everything’s a rumor then. The fact that the rumor came out that doug didn’t want to fire his coaches and was forced too is a rumor. Because Doug didn’t come out and say I didn’t want to fire them and howie and lurie made him. It was reported that was the case. Nothing is ever definitive unless you’re in a press conference and they aren’t telling you that.

However when it’s like 3-4 reporters reporting it. Might be some fire to that smoke. It amazes me the amount of fans that will go through hoops to dismiss a report because they simply don’t like the report.  Literally we have people on here giving Jeff mclane is full of crap For his peters report because he’s salty. Meanwhile Jeff mclane was right. I didn’t see one person on here who was calling him out say you know what he was right.

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

lol

This offense isnt working because it's stale and predictable. Ertz/Dallas 8 yard sit downs. double mis direction screens. 

 

Whens the last time you sat up and went "damn, that was diferent and it worked" whens the last time you saw a Wide reciever wide open 15 yards off the LOS like we saw the rams did yesterday

I BET... TRULY BET, if you give Mcvey truth serum he'd take Wentz over Goff.  And I'd take Mcvey in a heartbeat over Doug

 

It could be both. It could be that if you watch Carson with his footwork right now is not very good and Doug’s offense is still not creative. Both things could be true. Carson is having issues with simple throws because he’s either throwing behind throwing too high or throwing worm burners because his footwork not good enough consistently. Now Doug has an issue because his offense is really not that creative. That’s been a problem we’ve talked about since about midway through 2018

17 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I disagree. His mechanics are all over the place. Yesterday was one of the worst I have ever seen in terms of his footwork. You could go back and watch that game and it’s all over the place. his balls were sailing. His balls are bouncing into DeSean Jackson. on simple check down Miles Sanders has to fully extend just to catch the ball. His mechanics and footwork yesterday we’re bad. Add on his decision making it was really bad.

At the end of 2016 and 2017, you saw his mechanics and footwork were very consistent week to week  It’s why at the end of 2016 he began looking better along with lane being out there. In 2017 when had a game where it was Inconsistent you saw him back the following week with good footwork and mechanics.  he has had far more inconsistent games with his mechanics and footwork since 2018. Which tells me if he’s having more inconsistencies week to week with mechanics/footwork imo he’s either not listening to his coach that’s harping on him or his coach is afraid to say something or his coach doesn’t know how to get through to him or he doesn’t think he has an issue which is alarming.  To illustrate this even in that Dallas game at the end of last year he had some mechanical/footwork issues in that game. That throw that got Zach Ertz hurt was because he had poor footwork on the throw and why sailed and left Zach vulnerable

I don’t disagree with your assertion that the Eagles offense is not making it easier on him. I am hundred percent agree. They lack creativity. This has been discussed at nausea since last year.

I'm pretty sure there's a bit of both there. I don't think Carson needs to be coached "harder" but he definitely needs to accept the coaching that he's being given and focus on his mechanics. On the other side, the offense does seems to be all into tight windows where he has to be perfect with the ball...they need some better creative scheming and a real OC that can challenge Doug mentally like Reich did. I think Doug is a good motivational coach and he's got a creative side, but he needs someone to push him like Frank did. I'm not saying Frank was the reason we won and that it can't work without him, but we need a similar dynamic for the team to flourish and not just be mediocre. Though, right now I'd settle for mediocre. 

2 minutes ago, twistr said:

I'm pretty sure there's a bit of both there. I don't think Carson needs to be coached "harder" but he definitely needs to accept the coaching that he's being given and focus on his mechanics. On the other side, the offense does seems to be all into tight windows where he has to be perfect with the ball...they need some better creative scheming and a real OC that can challenge Doug mentally like Reich did. I think Doug is a good motivational coach and he's got a creative side, but he needs someone to push him like Frank did. I'm not saying Frank was the reason we won and that it can't work without him, but we need a similar dynamic for the team to flourish and not just be mediocre. Though, right now I'd settle for mediocre. 

Let me rephrase what I said. I don’t think it’s just exclusively Doug’s not getting wide receivers running open. There was open wide receivers in that game that Carson just missed because he had a poor throw. I gave the example mile Sanders was running across the middle of the field with a linebacker a good yard and a half 2 yards behind them Carson makes better throw that’s going for 15-25 yards. I think it’s both. I think Doug need somebody who is creative enough and challenged him to be better with his creativity. I don’t think the Eagles have that. They might’ve made a bunch of hires but I don’t think any of them were great hires.

 as for Carson needs to have someone he will actually listen to and accept  the info he’s getting. Does that mean harder? I don’t know but it seem to be DeFilippo was considered hardnose coach who even gave weekly quizzes and he was at his best with him. Press Taylor from all reports is considered to be more buddy buddy with him and he’s had more consistency issues. So it seems to me that maybe he responds better to someone more in the mold of deflilippo. 

9 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Outside of Mahomes, Lamar and Russ, this offense would flounder with 28 other QB's. 

I do think it can be both, but i think at this point was you see Carson doing is because of the play call. Forcing crap. making throws too quick b/c the windows closing. You have to remember. 2018 when Wentz was healthy this offense was average and he looked good. last year, he was healthy and this offense looked average. 

 

At the end of the day, Doug is a 14-18th ranked offensive guru. 

And I will point out since 2019 we have discussed that Carson has had some mechanical and footwork issues before. That is been discussed on here before since about midway through 2018 when he was struggling. Yes I get Doug Peterson needs to be better with his creativity. I talked about that at nausea as well. However that doesn’t dismiss the fact if you go back to 2019 and now 2020 he has had consistency issues with his mechanics and footwork. It’s why ZacH Ertz had his kidneys lacerated. yesterday goedert  nearly had the same thing happen on a overthrow that should’ve been a routine 10 yard pick up. 

1 hour ago, Arsenal79 said:

This is a highly optimistic assessment.  

 

56 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah that’s super optimistic in my mind. Again Cleveland is in Cleveland. I don’t think that’s a gimme win either. Baker stinks but it’s not as if the eagles are playing high caliber football on offense or defense  

i also think you are making the bengals out to be awful. They nearly and probably should’ve beaten the chargers. Add on burrow has weapons if given time. They put up 30 against the browns. They can score points. With how the DL has played the last two weeks you trust them to take advantage of the situation? I don’t. That’s not a gimme win like you think with how bad the eagles are playing. 

they could go 7-9. They easily if they manage to lose to the browns be 6-10. Heck the eagles could lose Both games to Dallas. Every other year since 2016 dallas has swept the eagles. 

I'm never unreasonably optimistic haha.

Serious question, has any player developed and improved under Doug and company?

Nothing but regression from everyone imaginable, top to bottom.

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Unless he burned some bridges, there has to be talk in bringing back Bradham. 

He only plays for teams with winning cultures

25 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Caplan went in on Schwartz today. Said people he talks to tells him he never changes much of anything. Never disguises coverage or blitzes. Rarely breaks his mold.

His use of Slay should get him fired

Eagles last in DVOA through 2 weeks.

26 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Caplan went in on Schwartz today. Said people he talks to tells him he never changes much of anything. Never disguises coverage or blitzes. Rarely breaks his mold.

Any Schwartz criticism is warranted. When multiple players are out of position, it's coaching.

37 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Even the throws he’s missing aren’t wide open though

We’re talking about being a couple of inches, maybe a foot off with some of these passes

when I’m watching the game it just seems like our opponents have 2 yards of separation and everything is a battle for us

our margin of error is razor thin.  On half of Goffs throws, he could have thrown them left handed and they’d still be huge plays.  Our offense is like a house of cards where if Wentz isn’t pinpoint accurate, the play falls apart

I could see that wearing on Carson.  

This.  It is rare, if ever that an Eagles WR is running open like Cupp, Woods and Higbee did all day yesterday.

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

His use of Slay should get him fired

More amazing is that they somehow got slay and yet are giving up more points at 32 points per game. Their red zone defense is awful. Given up 7 tds in 9 trips. And one of the stops Washington just gave it to them cause they were up 10 with like 40 seconds 

4 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

Serious question, has any player developed and improved under Doug and company?

Nothing but regression from everyone imaginable, top to bottom.

I know it funnels up to him due to his coaching hires and since he is the OC but I think that has a lot more to do with the position coaches, but I would say not since 2017 other than O-Line...I think we have had some people improve on OL. I think in 2017 we had players improve, though that might just be rosy memories. Our coaching staff between being poached and not being back-filled with the same level of talent, is just not great. Schwartz is doing what he always does in that he looks good for a little while and then teams int he division get used to it, and in this case he hasn't been given much top tier talent to work with. A few upper level journeymen but not real great talent, with maybe the exception of Slay.