21 minutes ago, Utebird said:

There are many cancers probably why it's not included in the metric. Heart disease kills thousands of americans around the world and it's not a virus or something one can take a vaccine it's more a product of bad health choices. Diabetes I'm not sure the number on diabetes I'm going to guess though that majority of people in America that die from diabetes die from complications due to type 2 diabetes which again like heart disease is a preventable disease with proper diet and exercise.

Having said that I'm not sure why things like heart disease and diabetes wasn't included maybe they don't fit the parameters of the metric that was made to tell a narrative.

.having said that I think the thought that americans lifestyle is unhealthy has been reaffirmed.

Like you said, it's a metric made to fit a narrative.

If heart disease is a product of bad health choices, then so are deaths due to COVID.  Most COVID deaths come in patients with severe medical co-morbidities...heart disease, smokers, obesity.  So if we can dismiss heart disease morbidity and mortality as only affecting those who have made bad choices, then should we do the same for COVID deaths?

The real tragedy about COVID is that, like all calamities, it has been politicized.  It's bad, deadly, worse than the flu, yes, yes, and yes...it has also been criminally weaponized by the left and criminally downplayed by the right...and the subsequent crossfire has cause deaths due to fear, deaths due to covid, and economic devastation.  

 

1 minute ago, TrotterIsGod said:

We hated the Lakers. If you're going to paint a mural, Put Iverson on it.

Dr.J, Moses, Wilt

At least they all played for the Sixers and won championships 

28 minutes ago, TrotterIsGod said:

My friend. You have NO idea how right you are <g>

Waste of Breath as I've said.

Hey you know the local council who mandated a Mask requirement in my county ?  They were all on my golf course within 3 feet of each other laughing it up.

Want photos? ROFL

I was referring to you.

Thank you for enlightening me today by now understanding "aggressive stupidity" though.

🤣

6 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

America is one of... or the only country that has inclusions in its covid numbers. Once you realize this you'll realize its a farce

If someone in Italy dies of a heart attack, he died of a heart attack

If someone dies of a heart attack and showed symptoms(not tested, not confirmed, just showed symptoms) its considered a covid related death 

I belive the number was healthy, happy americans who died of covid and covid only was only 5.5% of the actually 200K. which makes the fatality rate around ,04

And then when you take out the elderly that 0.04 number turned to like .008

This is nonsense.

 

 

 

Just now, ManuManu said:

 

He's right. Dline is trash

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

I picked 3 of the best 10 offenses in the NFL. The point is that you can win in a variety of different ways. 

You may prefer speed, but you can win with power. You may prefer 11, but you can win with 12/21. You may want pocket passers, but you can win with mobile QBs.

My biggest problem is that Doug seems incapable of optimizing 12 personnel and Carson is too erratic to unlock his weapons.

Zach Ertz as the core of the 12 personnel is actually a big problem. 

As I said, he gets blanketed by a CB, especially at this point in his career.  He'll use his long frame to get his share of catches at a 10.0 ypc clip to move the sticks, but he's going to be blanketed.  And he's not going to block enough or well enough to secure any mismatches in the running game.  We saw it last year.  We are seeing it this year.  

It's a tipping point, which I argued all last year.  Against our 11 personnel, you really can't have 1 LB on the field and put a CB on Ertz all day long.  At that point, you really can run all over them.  But 12 personnel with Ertz...2 LBs or 3?  You go 2 LB's and drape a CB over Ertz all. day.  long.  And he won't make you pay for it on the ground.

And then Wentz (this is the 2019 offense) telegraphs it to Ertz anyway for 8-10 yards per catch in tight coverage underneath against a CB.

It's a bad scheme...even with Ertz/Goedert.

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

America is one of... or the only country that has inclusions in its covid numbers. Once you realize this you'll realize its a farce

If someone in Italy dies of a heart attack, he died of a heart attack

If someone dies of a heart attack and showed symptoms(not tested, not confirmed, just showed symptoms) its considered a covid related death 

I belive the number was healthy, happy americans who died of covid and covid only was only 5.5% of the actually 200K. which makes the fatality rate around ,04

And then when you take out the elderly that 0.04 number turned to like .008

I am not sure why you think the US tracks Covid related deaths differently or inaccurately.  Most people over the age of 40 have some other health condition.  Something like half of the country has chronic conditions that would be contributing causes of death.  So your analysis is straight nonsense.   

Well, I have a new entry to my ignore list. Three guesses...

11 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

America is one of... or the only country that has inclusions in its covid numbers. Once you realize this you'll realize its a farce

If someone in Italy dies of a heart attack, he died of a heart attack

If someone dies of a heart attack and showed symptoms(not tested, not confirmed, just showed symptoms) its considered a covid related death 

I belive the number was healthy, happy americans who died of covid and covid only was only 5.5% of the actually 200K. which makes the fatality rate around ,04

And then when you take out the elderly that 0.04 number turned to like .008

Where are you getting this information from?

 

What is counted as a death from COVID-19?

The attribution of deaths to specific causes can be challenging under any circumstances. Health problems are often connected, and multiplicative, meaning an underlying condition can often lead to complications which ultimately result in death.

This is also true in the case of COVID-19: the disease can lead to other health problems such as pneumonia and acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS).

So, how are deaths from COVID-19 recorded? What is and isn’t included in these totals?

As is standard in death reporting, countries are asked to follow the ‘cause of death’ classifications from the WHO’s International Classification of Diseases guidelines.3 However, countries also typically provide their own guidance to practitioners on how and when COVID-19 deaths should be recorded.

Let’s take a look at two concrete examples of national guidance: the United States and the UK. Both provide very similar guidelines for medical practitioners on the completion of death certificates. The US CDC’s Vital Statistics Reporting Guidance can be found here; the UK Government guidance is found here.4

Both guidelines state that if the practitioner suspects that COVID-19 played a role in an individual’s death it should be specified on the death certificate. In some cases, COVID-19 may be the underlying cause of death, having led to complications such as pneumonia or ARDS. Even when it’s the underlying and not the direct cause, COVID-19 should be listed.5

Although confirmed cases are reliant on a positive laboratory confirmation of the COVID-19 test, a laboratory diagnosis may not be required for it to be listed as the cause of death. In the UK guidelines, for example, it makes clear that practitioners should complete death certificates to the best of their knowledge, stating that "if before death the patient had symptoms typical of COVID19 infection, but the test result has not been received, it would be satisfactory to give ‘COVID-19’ as the cause of death, and then share the test result when it becomes available. In the circumstances of there being no swab, it is satisfactory to apply clinical judgement.”

 

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths

 

 

Total death figures are likely to be higher than confirmed deaths

What we know is the total number of confirmed deaths due to COVID-19 to date. Limited testing and challenges in the attribution of the cause of death means that the number of confirmed deaths may not be an accurate count of the true total number of deaths from COVID-19.

The European Center for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) – our data source on deaths – publishes daily updates of confirmed deaths due to COVID-19.

In an ongoing outbreak the final outcomes – death or recovery – for all cases is not yet known. The time from symptom onset to death ranges from 2 to 8 weeks for COVID-19.6 This means that some people who are currently infected with COVID-19 will die at a later date. This needs to be kept in mind when comparing the current number of deaths with the current number of cases.

Just now, Desertbirds said:

Well, I have a new entry to my ignore list. Three guesses...

I've really been trying not to use that but it's itching for some adds recently.

 

Why are you guys arguing with one guy who is clearly off his meds and another one who is just making up his own stats?

Just now, PrinceKelby said:

I've really been trying not to use that but it's itching for some adds recently.

I added 1 on gameday

Just now, ManuManu said:

 

What a train wreck.

Just now, PrinceKelby said:

I've really been trying not to use that but it's itching for some adds recently.

I started with the same objective, but circumstances have conspired against my wishes.

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

America is one of... or the only country that has inclusions in its covid numbers. Once you realize this you'll realize its a farce

If someone in Italy dies of a heart attack, he died of a heart attack

If someone dies of a heart attack and showed symptoms(not tested, not confirmed, just showed symptoms) its considered a covid related death 

I belive the number was healthy, happy americans who died of covid and covid only was only 5.5% of the actually 200K. which makes the fatality rate around ,04

And then when you take out the elderly that 0.04 number turned to like .008

This is a BS republican talking point to justify and minimize the death toll.spin it any way you want just wear a damn mask.

If covid were a bear attack and the result of that bear attack was loss of blood and organ failure the cause of death wouldn't be loss if blood it would be bear attack as the bear attack led to the loss of blood.

Discounting people that died of covid because they had an underlying condition is another way to justify and minimize death.

How about instead of doing mental gymnastics to justify death of people you just wear an effin mask.

I have a compromised immune system due to chemo for cancer if I were to contract covid then died of let's say heart failure the cause of death would be heart failure due to me having covid so it gets counted as a covid death as I wouldn't have died of heart failure brought on by covid if I didn't get covid.

Just wear an effin mask, wash your hands it's easier then trying to twist yourself in pretzels trying to justify and minimize 200,000 deaths and come up with conspiracies of why anyone would fudge covid death numbers.

Just now, Desertbirds said:

I started with the same objective, but circumstances have conspired against my wishes.

Indeed they are.

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I added 1 on gameday

Game days historically are pretty rough in here.

I thought NRC was supposed to be a good signing. I know he was cheap, but I wish the eagles would have past.

 

Through 2 games, Nickell Robey-Coleman has given up:
- 9 catches on 9 targets
- 102 yards, 8 first downs, 1 TD
- 150.9 passer rating

 

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

Covid is the 4th largest mass killer of US citizens behind civil war, ww1 ,and spanish flu of 1918

COVID now 4th largest mass casualty event in US history. Topped only by the Civil War, WWII, 1918 flu pandemic