56 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Could just be you aren’t as talented as you thought and this is a product of the talent out there. 

No way that’s a real name. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Nah.  Trade down and get lineman.  Quality and quantity.   

This is why fans are not running football teams.  I would hope the GM, scouts, directors, coaches and analytics have assembled a draft board that has accurately evaluated, as best as can be, the talent and personalities of the player pool.  I expect they manage that board while constantly on the phone setting up potential deals and listening to them and use their time wisely to make the moves that best fit this team. 

21 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

That's been quite evident for a number of years now.

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I wonder if the Raiders approach of hiring Mike Mayock—ie, someone who is totally wrapped up in the NFL draft world—will become a trend

it seems pretty straightforward, the guy knows college football inside and out and lived and breathed football prospect analysis 

I don't have much of an opinion on Mayock...or in dipping into media personalities for the draft. 

But I do think the Eagles have been too formulaic in their process.  And collaboration has given way to a lack of cohesive direction with wildly different philosophies every year.

It sounds like they are compiling numerical grades on players and just mindlessly pulling the top numbers from the draft board.  

No foresight or unifying vision from the top on what fits, what projects...just reducing it all to a baseball-analytics style of accounting.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

No way that’s a real name. 

Eagles have shown a tendency of signing and even drafting bench press leaders.  Latest of that group is Opeta. 

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

This is why fans are not running football teams.  I would hope the GM, scouts, directors, coaches and analytics have assembled a draft board that has accurately evaluated, as best as can be, the talent and personalities of the player pool.  I expect they manage that board while constantly on the phone setting up potential deals and listening to them and use their time wisely to make the moves that best fit this team. 

When have the Eagles ever done that?

13 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Been saying that talent evaluation is not one of his strengths. 

Yet another Chip Kelly attribute.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The issue with an OL investment is LT.  They traded up in round 1 for Dillard.  Dillard is strictly LT only.  He's so limited to that role that he's not even ideal to have on the roster as a backup, as we saw last year at RT.

With the draft position the Eagles will likely have, a round 1 investment in the OL likely in a new LT.  

Do we really want to punt on a first round pick after 2 years?  

I say roll the dice, give Dillard a shot in 2021, and stack up on interior OL guys in rounds 2-4.

I'm willing to give dillard a shot I think as a rookie he looked ok at LT no worse than say Tra thomas looked as a rookie at LT.

Having said that I think the tackling part is a bigger issue.

Schwartz has said number one priority is stopping run. They got shredded by the rams in the run game the 3 DTs they heavily invested in to be the strength of that defense played small. Cox looks old malik jackson was done 2 years ago with jags and hargrave is playing hurt ridgeway JAG.

The production they are getting from DT is far below the investment they have in that position and that lack of production makes the lack of talent at LB even more glaring.

The eagles front seven is a mess, the back 4 is improved though Schwartz has no idea how to maximize their abilities but they're going to struggle if the front 4 can generate pressure and the front 7 can't stop the run.

Eagles need DL and LBs.

Gerry got abused all over the field the other guys are just guys and it's not surprising when the front 4 has been so poor that the rest of the back 7 will look bad as well.

Schwartz whole scheme  is based off of that front 4 creating pressure and havoc in the backfield and they don't and haven't.

Who was the last DT howie drafted and developed? Cox was Reid's last draft, Logan was a chip kelly pick beau Allen? Jernigan drafted by ravens, malik jackson washed up FA hargrave FA. 

For a defense that relies so much on DL one would think they would invest more in D line.

Barnett was a 1st rounder I think it's safe too say he is what he is which is meh.

Other than that all the other DE additions have been day 2 and 3 picks and vinny curry☹️

As much as I like Cox I'd trade him while he still has value. Gis huge cap number  no longer matches his production and cut malik after this season or trade him this one then let Schwartz leave after this season and revamp that D line.

Sweat is a good piece barnett and graham will be gone Avery is a sunk cost wasn't even active against rams.

D line needs a lot of reinforcements where as WR has used a 1st a 2nd a 5th and 6th in last 2 drafts. Would help if that 2nd didn't suck😒

I think it's easier to get serviceable WRs in the draft then it is to get serviceable DL.

Rather the eagles draft DL early and often and WRs late

Speaking of Avery, it's a 2021 4th round pick we are down thanks to that trade.

Imagine that.  Trading for someone on the Browns...who they were not activating...and giving up a pick 1 round higher than where he was drafted.

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Teams have already approached Daniel Jeremiah (including us). I believe Todd McShay was offered some kind of job in a scouting department. 

We would end up with Mel Kiper.

17 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I wonder if the Raiders approach of hiring Mike Mayock—ie, someone who is totally wrapped up in the NFL draft world—will become a trend

it seems pretty straightforward, the guy knows college football inside and out and lived and breathed football prospect analysis 

What do you mean, I'm sure a career accountant like howie knows more about football prospect analysis than mayock😒

Hahahahaha 2020 .... Philly and all places U.S.

As if it could get "ANY Weirder"

 

46 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

uhhh try again. It happened here in Mt. Holly.

O so did a meth head who OD'd in Vineland 

Had a family member pass away last month and saw the death certificate. No mention of COVID was on it

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah.  The Eagles have done a great job at that the past few years.  

Maybe, maybe not.  If Dillard develops as expected, Driscoll produces as possible into, at worst a sixth man swingman, and at best a solid starting G.  If Wanogho isn’t a ruined knee but rather a developmental swing tackle or Mailata, and they develop solid depth on the OL out of Herbig, Pryor, Juriga and maybe even Opeta, I would say that is a great success.  If we get a great starter in Reagor and solid back up from one of Watkins or Hightower.  If Wallace develops as expected to at least a #3 S.  Sweat looks pretty decent.  Maddox is at least a nickel CB. Frankly, I would extend Mills.  Boobie is the real thing as is Goedert.  

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

When have the Eagles ever done that?

Quite possibly, this year.   You folks have an unrealistic expectation on hitting on draft picks.  

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Quite possibly, this year.   You folks have an unrealistic expectation on hitting on draft picks.  

It's funny that "this year" is always the year they got the draft right.

Howie's got us in a perennial "last year's draft isn't looking so hot, the year before that sucked, the year before that sucked, but this year looks promising."  We say that every year.

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't have much of an opinion on Mayock...or in dipping into media personalities for the draft. 

But I do think the Eagles have been too formulaic in their process.  And collaboration has given way to a lack of cohesive direction with wildly different philosophies every year.

It sounds like they are compiling numerical grades on players and just mindlessly pulling the top numbers from the draft board.  

No foresight or unifying vision from the top on what fits, what projects...just reducing it all to a baseball-analytics style of accounting.

i just had that feeling when the raiders hired mayock, that team was going to trend the right direction because they are hiring someone that knows everything about every prospect from college and that's scary.

Just now, toughfighter83 said:

i just had that feeling when the raiders hired mayock, that team was going to trend the right direction because they are hiring someone that knows everything about every prospect from college and that's scary.

Well they did trade a rookie 3rd round pick after training camp.  

Probably better than Rodgers. 

Just now, eagle45 said:

Well they did trade a rookie 3rd round pick after training camp.  

And drafted Ferrell in the top five when he maybe was a top 15 pick. 

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Had a family member pass away last month and saw the death certificate. No mention of COVID was on it

Sorry to hear that.  

On the other hand, none of us are going to convince the believers. Some are trolling but some really believe.  If you don’t quote them and argue with them, then  we can talk more about football. 

Eagles' top and worst graded defenders in coverage:
1) TJ Edwards - 79.9
2) Jalen Mills - 72.2
3) Rodney McLeod - 61.3

10) Duke Riley - 35.8
11) Robey-Coleman "Slotgod" - 32.4
12) Nathan "The White Snake" Gerry - 29.9
#Eagles

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Quite possibly, this year.   You folks have an unrealistic expectation on hitting on draft picks.  

To our defense, I believe since Doug became HC and Howie was allowed back in the Sandbox the players that the Eagles have drafted that are currently starting that at are not starting due to an injury to the starter are Wentz, Sanders, Maddox, Reagor, Gerry.  TJ Edwards - I guess we can say Goedert.  So, most of the Eagles currently starting were here or FA.  Not a very good record of drafting, but to me the real travesty is the player development is much much much worse than.thw drafting and that is saying something. 

19 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Yet another Chip Kelly attribute.

If Schwartz has this much say and has been this bad at personnel why is he still employed? This organization is pretty quick to move on from assistants that they see as failures. 

1 minute ago, Eagles_All_Day said:

Eagles' top and worst graded defenders in coverage:
1) TJ Edwards - 79.9
2) Jalen Mills - 72.2
3) Rodney McLeod - 61.3

10) Duke Riley - 35.8
11) Robey-Coleman "Slotgod" - 32.4
12) Nathan "The White Snake" Gerry - 29.9
#Eagles

The fact that someone with a 72 and 61 grade are our second and third best players in coverage is horrifying. 

But I have no idea how true that can be since Slay isn’t even in the top three.