3 hours ago, Desertbirds said:

Watch it or I will cancel next summer.

28 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't have much of an opinion on Mayock...or in dipping into media personalities for the draft. 

But I do think the Eagles have been too formulaic in their process.  And collaboration has given way to a lack of cohesive direction with wildly different philosophies every year.

It sounds like they are compiling numerical grades on players and just mindlessly pulling the top numbers from the draft board.  

No foresight or unifying vision from the top on what fits, what projects...just reducing it all to a baseball-analytics style of accounting.

That may be what Howie knows best so that's what he does .....

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

If Schwartz has this much say and has been this bad at personnel why is he still employed? This organization is pretty quick to move on from assistants that they see as failures. 

I ask myself this question nigh daily.

3 hours ago, RLC said:

Saying that 12 personnel is the reason the offense is bad is lazy and incorrect.

- Baltimore: Top 3 Offense. They run a ton of 21/12 personnel. They're often less effective with 3 WRs.
- NE: They're running 21/13/12 personnel. Power-football team.
- SF: 21 personnel team. Top 5 offense last year. Injuries have gutted their team, but otherwise it works.

Yes you can have a great offense with 11 personnel as your base (KC, LAR, HOU, DAL). You can also do it with other formations. When we won the SB, we used a lot of 13 personnel (Ertz, Burton, Celek). Play your good players.

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The problem with the offense is the QB and play-calling. Wentz is missing layups and not delivering splash plays, while our offense has only shown creativity when using Jalen Hurts. 

Baltimore has the ultimate in complimentary tight ends though.  Mark Andrews is a weapon in the passing game and Nick Boyle is a 6th OL.  

Philly is and has ALWAYS been a lot of things.

Disingenuous is not one of them. 

It's a cryin' shame Mickey Morandini.

 

Oh and Schtop with all the "OREGON" PAC 12 Chip Kelly Nunsense. None of US told you to hire him. Heck most of us tuned out when you did.

21 minutes ago, toughfighter83 said:

i just had that feeling when the raiders hired mayock, that team was going to trend the right direction because they are hiring someone that knows everything about every prospect from college and that's scary.

Mayock, just like most GMs isnt always right tho.  Didnt he say one year that Blaine Gabbert would be good?

5 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

To our defense, I believe since Doug became HC and Howie was allowed back in the Sandbox the players that the Eagles have drafted that are currently starting that at are not starting due to an injury to the starter are Wentz, Sanders, Maddox, Reagor, Gerry.  TJ Edwards - I guess we can say Goedert.  So, most of the Eagles currently starting were here or FA.  Not a very good record of drafting, but to me the real travesty is the player development is much much much worse than.thw drafting and that is saying something. 

I don't think we can paint the entire problem with 1 brush.

I have always said that I felt the secondary woes were on Schwartz' coaching staff and scheme.  They had some reasonable talent pass through the secondary and it felt like EVERYONE got worse the longer they were in Schwartz' system.  

Darby was nearly the defensive rookie of the year.  He was pretty good in year 1 here.  And he got worse every year he was here, which started before his injury.  Jones was a very, very highly regarded college player before busting here.  Douglas was completely misused.  Maddox looked far better as a rookie getting thrown into the fire than he did in year 2 and thus far in year 3.  NRC looks horrible here.  Everyone gets worse.  They play out of position, fast guys give up 10 yard cushions, physical guys don't get help deep....the whole coverage scheme and matchups from the DC are generic and non-fluid.  

WR...that's on the GM.  The KC WRs elevated to the NFL's best on Greg Lewis' watch.  He oversaw one of the worst units in the NFL here.  It's not the WR coach(es) fault that Agholor was a head case, JJAW and Ward aren't NFL talents, Desean/Wallace/Torrey Smith were actually entrusted with the keys to the deep passing game, that Golden Tate was their 5th WR who belonged in the slot, or that Jeffery runs like a blocking TE.  They can change the WR coach every year, but until Howie brings in someone who can play, it won't matter.

 

 

1 hour ago, Eagles_All_Day said:

I thought NRC was supposed to be a good signing. I know he was cheap, but I wish the eagles would have past.

 

Through 2 games, Nickell Robey-Coleman has given up:
- 9 catches on 9 targets
- 102 yards, 8 first downs, 1 TD
- 150.9 passer rating

 

I posted this earlier in the day. The Eagles FA signings were the following:

NRC- Nickel corner was not a need, not even close.  We need an outside #2 CB.  We have LeBlanc, who many tout as one of the better nickel corners in the game.

Hargrave- We have nearly $40 million invested in Cox and Jackson yet they made their highest paid FA another DT.

Parks- could end up playing a pivotal role but injured already.

Some linebacker who retired before training camp.

Absolutely horrible roster management by Howie.  

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Is it possible that Doug and the brass saw a decline coming with Wentz and that would explain why they drafted Hurts in the 2nd?   Is that even a possibility?   

Their last impression of him was playing great football to get the team to the playoffs.  Maybe if anything they didnt trust him to stay healthy so that's why they took Hurts.  Dont think it was because of his play.  

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I ask myself this question nigh daily.

So to actually dig into this instead of relying on snarky one-liners...

* I think the personnel power has to be overstated. I have no doubt they ask for his input, but mostly it’s about "what do you need for your defense to succeed” or "what do you think about player X vs Z.” He is in charge of who starts. Would Schwartz have wanted to draft someone like Davion Taylor? I highly doubt it. What coach wants a project at a non-premium position?

* If Schwartz does have the power and sway of player personnel, what does that say about Roseman? Some people think he’s riding shotgun with the draft. Now he isn’t picking the players on defense? Does that make sense? Why would they continue to give Schwartz that much power of his schemes are bad and his personnel choices are bad? There are no reasonable explanations for that. Like I said, Lurie and Roseman are quick to move on from assistants that they don’t see working, even forcing Pederson’s hand. Our WR coach is a revolving door. Groh got basically a year and a half before Lurie decided to pull the plug. Our DL coach has changed three times. 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

I posted this earlier in the day. The Eagles FA signings were the following:

NRC- Nickel corner was not a need, not even close.  We need an outside #2 CB.  We have LeBlanc, who many tout as one of the better nickel corners in the game.

Hargrave- We have nearly $40 million invested in Cox and Jackson yet they made their highest paid FA another DT.

Parks- could end up playing a pivotal role but injured already.

Some linebacker who retired before training camp.

Absolutely horrible roster management by Howie.  

Slotgod wasn't a need but at the time of the signing it seemed like a bargain.

Hargrave might have been signed to replace Cox in the longterm, Cox play has fallen off a little.

The White Snake was supposed to give the eagles that good coverage lb. He struggled against the rams but the eagles felt like they were fine at lb. 

Parks is their joker DB. They may have some interesting designs for him.

 

 

54 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I wonder if the Raiders approach of hiring Mike Mayock—ie, someone who is totally wrapped up in the NFL draft world—will become a trend

it seems pretty straightforward, the guy knows college football inside and out and lived and breathed football prospect analysis 

It started with the 49ers hiring John Lynch.  Everyone thought that was a complete joke.  Player turned broadcaster turned GM...with what experience?   Hey, the guy knows football.

Why have we all supported Howie for so long?  His cap management and what appeared to be a good trade record.  Well we are in cap hell and our recent trades have sucked.  What's he good for then?  Drafting? we know that answer.  I would trade Howie for Lynch or Mayock in a heartbeat.  

I think a guy like Brian Dawkins would make a great GM.  Get one guy who knows the game inside and out and let him surround himself with the right people and you get back on the right track.  The Eagles are on a sinking ship

Just now, ManuManu said:

 

Good to hear, OL is back. They had a great game against the rams.

There aren't very many appealing round 1 edge rusher investments, FYI.

Not a great year for the position and a lot of the more tantalizing physical talents are going to be very "low information" guys in this COVID NCAA season.  The Eagles may have turned a corner with respect to drafting better athletes, but they do NOT like to draft players with productivity/experience question marks in the first 2 rounds.  I just hope they don't force-pick another bad edge rushing prospect simply because they sorted through the 2020 NCAA sack leaders.  That blessed us with Marcus Smith and Barnett.

The best pass rushers to come out of this class are going to be guys who weren't ultra-productive and didn't get a ton of game reps on tape to dominate.  They will be harder to find than usual...but the ones with the physical specs will be overdrafted in rounds 1-2 despite less production.  There is NO way Howie ends up being the guy to nab one of them.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

There aren't very many appealing round 1 edge rusher investments, FYI.

Not a great year for the position and a lot of the more tantalizing physical talents are going to be very "low information" guys in this COVID NCAA season.  The Eagles may have turned a corner with respect to drafting better athletes, but they do NOT like to draft players with productivity/experience question marks in the first 2 rounds.  I just hope they don't force-pick another bad edge rushing prospect simply because they sorted through the 2020 NCAA sack leaders.  That blessed us with Marcus Smith and Barnett.

The best pass rushers to come out of this class are going to be guys who weren't ultra-productive and didn't get a ton of game reps on tape to dominate.  They will be harder to find than usual...but the ones with the physical specs will be overdrafted in rounds 1-2 despite less production.  There is NO way Howie ends up being the guy to nab one of them.

I forget his name but #15 from Miami looks like a stud at DE.  But I agree, I'm not aware of any top end edge talent as of yet.  There are no Bosa's or Youngs around right now.  

I see we're still firing, cutting, and trading everyone. 

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

So to actually dig into this instead of relying on snarky one-liners...

* I think the personnel power has to be overstated. I have no doubt they ask for his input, but mostly it’s about "what do you need for your defense to succeed” or "what do you think about player X vs Z.” He is in charge of who starts. Would Schwartz have wanted to draft someone like Davion Taylor? I highly doubt it. What coach wants a project at a non-premium position?

* If Schwartz does have the power and sway of player personnel, what does that say about Roseman? Some people think he’s riding shotgun with the draft. Now he isn’t picking the players on defense? Does that make sense? Why would they continue to give Schwartz that much power of his schemes are bad and his personnel choices are bad? There are no reasonable explanations for that. Like I said, Lurie and Roseman are quick to move on from assistants that they don’t see working, even forcing Pederson’s hand. Our WR coach is a revolving door. Groh got basically a year and a half before Lurie decided to pull the plug. Our DL coach has changed three times. 

I've never said Jim's power in personnel decisions was absolute, and in that same vein, I think they both share the blame. It's a false dichotomy to think it has to fall entirely on one set of shoulders as opposed to another. And to be clear, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing both Jim and Howie sent packing.

1 minute ago, greend said:

I see we're still firing, cutting, and trading everyone. 

Oh and don't forget we are already drafting people too

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I've never said Jim's power in personnel decisions is absolute, and in that same vein, I think they both share the blame. It's a false dichotomy to think it has to fall entirely on one set of shoulders as opposed to another. And to be clear, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing both Jim and Howie sent packing.

Good to know, because it certainly seems like you’re pinning everything on Schwartz, especially with your Chip Kelly comparisons. 

Just now, bpac55 said:

I forget his name but #15 from Miami looks like a stud at DE.  But I agree, I'm not aware of any top end edge talent as of yet.  There are no Bosa's or Youngs around right now.  

Rousseau...probably the top edge rush prospect in the draft and a top 10 pick, just outside of top 5.

Huge season as a redshirt freshman.  Great physical talent.  Got hurt year 1, never played (redshirt).  Huge numbers year 2.  Opts out for COVID 2020.  

1 year in which he surprised and took everyone by storm.  Never had the follow-up year to show what he could do when every team was adjusting game plans to double and triple him.  

If the best prospect in the draft has 1 year of film, that shows you how risky it's going to be with everyone else.  One option is to overdraft the guys that produced this year despite less talent.  The other is to go for bigger talents who are completely unknown.  I know what Howie will do.

Howie likes paralysis by analysis and numbers to quantify everything.  His head is going to explode with the uncertainty of this draft.

9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

It started with the 49ers hiring John Lynch.  Everyone thought that was a complete joke.  Player turned broadcaster turned GM...with what experience?   Hey, the guy knows football.

Why have we all supported Howie for so long?  His cap management and what appeared to be a good trade record.  Well we are in cap hell and our recent trades have sucked.  What's he good for then?  Drafting? we know that answer.  I would trade Howie for Lynch or Mayock in a heartbeat.  

I think a guy like Brian Dawkins would make a great GM.  Get one guy who knows the game inside and out and let him surround himself with the right people and you get back on the right track.  The Eagles are on a sinking ship

Ozzie newsome  seemed to do well as a GM.

Like not whiffing on a tackle that turns a 10-yard gain into a 50-yard gain. 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

There aren't very many appealing round 1 edge rusher investments, FYI.

Not a great year for the position and a lot of the more tantalizing physical talents are going to be very "low information" guys in this COVID NCAA season.  The Eagles may have turned a corner with respect to drafting better athletes, but they do NOT like to draft players with productivity/experience question marks in the first 2 rounds.  I just hope they don't force-pick another bad edge rushing prospect simply because they sorted through the 2020 NCAA sack leaders.  That blessed us with Marcus Smith and Barnett.

The best pass rushers to come out of this class are going to be guys who weren't ultra-productive and didn't get a ton of game reps on tape to dominate.  They will be harder to find than usual...but the ones with the physical specs will be overdrafted in rounds 1-2 despite less production.  There is NO way Howie ends up being the guy to nab one of them.

I'm curious to see the DEs from Miami, Pittsburg, and Michigan in action.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Rousseau...probably the top edge rush prospect in the draft and a top 10 pick, just outside of top 5.

Huge season as a redshirt freshman.  Great physical talent.  Got hurt year 1, never played (redshirt).  Huge numbers year 2.  Opts out for COVID 2020.  

1 year in which he surprised and took everyone by storm.  Never had the follow-up year to show what he could do when every team was adjusting game plans to double and triple him.  

If the best prospect in the draft has 1 year of film, that shows you how risky it's going to be with everyone else.  One option is to overdraft the guys that produced this year despite less talent.  The other is to go for bigger talents who are completely unknown.  I know what Howie will do.

Howie likes paralysis by analysis and numbers to quantify everything.  His head is going to explode with the uncertainty of this draft.

I’m not so sure. He drafted Reagor despite terrible production as a junior. He drafted Davion Taylor in round 3 despite limited production and being 100 percent projection. He drafted Jordan Mailata who never played the game. 

And remember, Howie actually doesn’t make draft picks. He just sits around and follows other people’s bad boards and keeps a list of the good picks in his desk drawer to show Lurie after the fact.