3 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

More injuries, Schwartz still starting Gerry, project Trevor Lawrence is in full effect 

I actually like the Taylor pick at LB. I’d like to see him get some serious playing time even if it means accepting stupid rookie mistakes. That’s probably a week 8 discussion though. 

38 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

It's pretty obvious that the other players and the coaches are frustrated with him.  The guy obviously no leader at all.  Just a talented headcase.

Who knows how much truth is to these stories but if there is this much smoke around it there has to be some fire.

I wasn't happy with the Hurts pick, still not however, everything you hear about him is how people just gravitate towards him and how he is a natural leader.  

Carson at almost 28 seems to still be trying to figure out who he is not only on the field but as a man.  

17 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Wrong.  Montana was the AP MVP that year.  However Randall was the Pro Football Writers Association MVP in 1990.  So obviously he WAS good enough to even be thought of as a candidate and to actually WIN something, unlike Wentz who's never won jack sh!t.  

Not true.  Wentz is MVP of the blue tent.

29 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Pretty much what Caplan said, Wentz is not responding to coaching. "Carson Wentz is going to do what he wants to do"

A lot of concerning things in that.  We all know Lurie pulls the strings.  We all used to say Jerry Jones is a bad owner for meddling in actual decisions.  Well look what we have now with Lurie and Pederson. Strange things are a foot at the Circle K...I mean the Nova Care Complex.  They better win some games soon or we are gong to see the wheels fall off in a hurry.

20 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Wrong.  Montana was the AP MVP that year.  However Randall was the Pro Football Writers Association MVP in 1990.  So obviously he WAS good enough to even be thought of as a candidate and to actually WIN something, unlike Wentz who's never won jack sh!t.  

Cunningham held back a championship defense and was the main reason the Eagles never won a thing with him there. Worse than not accomplishing 

15 minutes ago, TEW said:

I actually like the Taylor pick at LB. I’d like to see him get some serious playing time even if it means accepting stupid rookie mistakes. That’s probably a week 8 discussion though. 

Not in the 3rd round.  There were other linebackers who were VERY GOOD college linebackers who know how to play the position and are already making an impact in the NFL that the Eagles could have drafted instead of Taylor.  Instead we have a guy who is going to be a ST player and most likely a very poor man's Mark Barron. 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Not in the 3rd round.  There were other linebackers who were VERY GOOD college linebackers who know how to play the position and are already making an impact in the NFL that the Eagles could have drafted instead of Taylor.  Instead we have a guy who is going to be a ST player and most likely a very poor man's Mark Barron. 

Taylor was an upside pick.  Better to go for the home run who will take awhile to develop as opposed to the low ceiling prospect who will help you "win now”.  We aren’t winning jack for a couple of years anyway.

40 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Oh and Caplan and Mosher both surprised me and said they don’t think Herbig is going to start for much longer. They were less enthused about his performance on Sunday than others were. They think to implement some of Scangarello’s concepts they need more agile and athletic linemen and Herbig isn’t that, so they think within a couple weeks Brown will be starting at guard.

I am kind of shocked to hear this. Herbig is actually somewhat nimble for his size, much more so than Pryor.

But I will trust the team when it comes to the offensive line. It seems to be the only thing that works regardless of whom they put out there. 

Just now, Arsenal79 said:

Taylor was an upside pick.  Better to go for the home run who will take awhile to develop as opposed to the low ceiling prospect who will help you "win now”.  We aren’t winning jack for a couple of years anyway.

My thoughts exactly. If — and I admit it is a big "if” — Taylor develops he can be really, really good. His burst and closing speed is pretty special. Now, there is more to playing LB than athleticism, but if his head catches up with his body, he can be a legitimate 3 down LB. 

9 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I am kind of shocked to hear this. Herbig is actually somewhat nimble for his size, much more so than Pryor.

But I will trust the team when it comes to the offensive line. It seems to be the only thing that works regardless of whom they put out there. 

Did you miss week 1?  

6 minutes ago, TEW said:

My thoughts exactly. If — and I admit it is a big "if” — Taylor develops he can be really, really good. His burst and closing speed is pretty special. Now, there is more to playing LB than athleticism, but if his head catches up with his body, he can be a legitimate 3 down LB. 

I think for round 3 his hit probability is pretty low. His athletic tools are obvious though. 

I’d have taken Akeem Davis-Gaither over Taylor. 

Man they are tearing Doug up, especially with this 

 

37 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Did you miss week 1?  

I didn't miss Wentz holding the ball for too long. The online worked a lot better than the QB or the coaching staff.  

48 minutes ago, TEW said:

My thoughts exactly. If — and I admit it is a big "if” — Taylor develops he can be really, really good. His burst and closing speed is pretty special. Now, there is more to playing LB than athleticism, but if his head catches up with his body, he can be a legitimate 3 down LB. 

I really don’t think the Eagles can get out of their own way.  They finally have this conversion to explosive athletes, but I’m not sure they did it right.

WR and DE are the positions for that...you and I certainly agree there.  4-3 LB is a read and react position.  That might actually be one of the few positions where a more intuitive football player who takes the right angle with the right first step and the right form tackle is head and shoulders above the raw high end athlete.  
 

Taylor may have rare burst and athleticism, but he’s also a 3rd round pick at a non premium position who will take years to contribute.  Meanwhile, he’s sitting behind LBs that aren’t even nfl quality.  
 

So in Howie’s great turn around draft, we’ve got a 3rd round pick who may not see the field at a position of dire weakness, a useless 2nd round pick, and a first round pick who may spend the year injured.  

9 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I didn't miss Wentz holding the ball for too long. The online worked a lot better than the QB or the coaching staff.  

Yeah.....you missed it.  

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I really don’t think the Eagles can get out of their own way.  They finally have this conversion to explosive athletes, but I’m not sure they did it right.

WR and DE are the positions for that...you and I certainly agree there.  4-3 LB is a read and react position.  That might actually be one of the few positions where a more intuitive football player who takes the right angle with the right first step and the right form tackle is head and shoulders above the raw high end athlete.  
 

Taylor may have rare burst and athleticism, but he’s also a 3rd round pick at a non premium position who will take years to contribute.  Meanwhile, he’s sitting behind LBs that aren’t even nfl quality.  
 

So in Howie’s great turn around draft, we’ve got a 3rd round pick who may not see the field at a position of dire weakness, a useless 2nd round pick, and a first round pick who may spend the year injured.  

This was Luke Kuechly described perfectly.  I know he was also a great athlete, but towards the tail end of his career, he was all intuition, communication, and he always knew where the play was going.  Total freak of nature in regards to play recognition.  

47 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I’d have taken Akeem Davis-Gaither over Taylor. 

I unfortunately have no faith in them being able to develop a smaller, athletic LB in this defensive scheme (that has barely played football in his life).  I know Mailata may fall into that category, but as a 7th rounder and an OL, he's not a waste of a pick at all, and Stoutland has proven that he can actually coach and develop.  The fact that TJ Edwards is the best LB on the team as an UDFA at this point probably has little to do with coaching and more to do with his mental abilities and experience as a football player........and he stinks too.  Man, I have gotten sour.  

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

I do find the stuff Caplan was hearing odd though. Maybe it's right and Wentz is freelancing, but IMO Wentz's best performances and best plays were freelancing plays. When Wentz improvises is when he's always been at his best.

I'm not sure a QB even has time to think about mechanics while a play is evolving. If you have to stop and think about mechanics, you're probably screwed to begin with, they should come naturally through repetition.

I don't know, this whole situation is so odd and I just have a bad feeling about all of it.

A couple things, maybe Carson Wentz is irritated at the organization for taking a quarterback in the second round And doesn’t believe he’s long to be here so he’s tuning them out. I’m not saying this is true or false but  Maybe that’s a factor playing into this that no one’s talking about. Secondly, it was a complete idiotic plan by the Philadelphia Eagles to rely on two injury prone veteran wide receivers, three rookie wide receivers, a bust in JJaw and Greg Ward. To expect this team to compete with guys who were unreliable every week or unproven and not a bunch of time with Carson in a Covid off-season was a dumb plan as we talked about back in March. Legitimately the most reps Carson has with the wide receivers are with Greg Ward and Jjaw. I haven’t even gone into the discussion of having such bad linebackers on this roster, asking a cornerback just make a transition to safety in a couple of months in the Covid off-season and having a slot corner play the outside corner. 

I don’t really find it all that odd. Let’s go back to when banner left. There was dysfunction in the organization between Andy, Joe and howie. Then they had more dysfunction towards the end of Andy’s tenure between he and howie. Then we get into the chip Kelly era and there’s dysfunction between Lurie, howie and Chip. And now we are starting to see Some dysfunction between doug, howie, lurie and wentz. I feel like this organization every like 3 to 4 years has some sort of dysfunction going on. 

To me this feels very much like that 2012 season. The season before they got on this run at the end of the year won 4 games in a row. And it was fools gold. At the end of last year they might’ve won the division but those wins were pure fools gold because they played three horrific teams and Dak Prescott had a bum shoulder when he came in to philly. Just like 2012 the team started having injuries even before the season started carried into the season where they struggled to go 4-12. Just like 2012 with Vick and foles, they have veteran quarterback Carson and a rookie quarterback who they like in jalen hurts

13 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I was with you up until the last sentence.   The comparison of the two scenarios is extremely weak.  

It could be weak but the fact of the matter is 2012 season the team didn’t have the upmost faith in Michael Vick anymore due to decline performance and health. Vick was older than Carson so that’s a difference but imo they were hedging their bets that he might not be the future anymore and getting a prospect that they liked(granted not the one they continue to tells us they wanted but failed to pick with 3 picks in the first and second round). Now you can say they might not feel that way about Carson as they did Vick but I don’t think you take a second round quarterback unless you have bigger plans then we’re just gonna flip him in 3 years and this is a Cheap insurance plan if Carson gets hurt again. Because realistically hurts is probably not going to win you very many games as a rookie if he needs to play in a pandemic year. so in reality you’re only getting high level back up quarterback play for two years and then dealing him. And you might not even get back the value of that pic if he winds up being underwhelming for a second round pick.  Seems like there might be a bigger story that people don’t want to talk about or believe this organization might be trying to do. 

21 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I unfortunately have no faith in them being able to develop a smaller, athletic LB in this defensive scheme (that has barely played football in his life).  I know Mailata may fall into that category, but as a 7th rounder and an OL, he's not a waste of a pick at all, and Stoutland has proven that he can actually coach and develop.  The fact that TJ Edwards is the best LB on the team as an UDFA at this point probably has little to do with coaching and more to do with his mental abilities and experience as a football player........and he stinks too.  Man, I have gotten sour.  

The whole pick was weird to me. ADG is like a more polished, slightly less athletic Davion Taylor. Like they could have taken the more pro ready, good coverage, fast, athletic LB but instead took a guy who is a little better athlete but didn’t play football regularly because his family is religious. 

53 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think for round 3 his hit probability is pretty low. His athletic tools are obvious though. 

Round 3 is already pretty low for an average conversation rate... about 30% from what I remember of some studies.

Say you give up about 5% in conversion in exchange for the upside of a 3 down LB with true play making potential as opposed to a simple 2 down run defender. I’ll take that every day.

 

8 minutes ago, TEW said:

Round 3 is already pretty low for an average conversation rate... about 30% from what I remember of some studies.

Say you give up about 5% in conversion in exchange for the upside of a 3 down LB with true play making potential as opposed to a simple 2 down run defender. I’ll take that every day.

I think only giving up 5% is being very optimistic. Considering he has no idea what he’s doing as a hang LB, he probably has about a 10% chance of hitting close to his ceiling.

3 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

More picks would definitely help with a bunch of positions of need. Problem is I don't think we'd pick the right players

Sure, 25% of those picks, at best, would cover those holes with our drafting record.

 

I'm willing to bet we have to be bottom 5 in the league over the last 5 or 6 years.

 

I'd be shocked if we weren't.