9 minutes ago, TEW said:

Round 3 is already pretty low for an average conversation rate... about 30% from what I remember of some studies.

Say you give up about 5% in conversion in exchange for the upside of a 3 down LB with true play making potential as opposed to a simple 2 down run defender. I’ll take that every day.

I don't think any 2 down run defending LBs in a 4-3 are being drafted in the top 3 rounds anymore.  Maybe some thumpers from big schools that are commanders of the defense go in later rounds, but I think there would be much more of a discrepancy than 5% with the ability to cover.  I could be wrong.  

4 hours ago, hputenis said:

Lawrence is the highest rated QB prospect since Andrew Luck.  They would get a king's ransom for him.  Trading out of that pick is the smart thing to do unless your franchise has been absolute dogsheet for years or you need fans in the stands.  Neither applies to the Eagles.  If they had the first pick and they DIDN'T trade it to completely rebuild this team with young talent, I would smash my TV to pieces......especially if Wentz turns it around.  

I agree with your thought process that you would get a boatload of picks for that pick for Lawrence. And those picks normally if you were rebuilding a team or needing of adding a ton of youth onto the roster and you believe you have a quarterback of the future would be massively beneficial to the Eagles. You can get a plethora of young talent infused into this team relatively fast with those picks based off that trade.

However those two issues with it. One the Eagles have not been good at drafting so those picks you might not get the max value think you’re going to get. In theory you should if you were a decent to good drafting team you could cash in big-time. Unfortunately the Eagles have not proven that. Second and just my personal belief, I don’t think to everyone in this organization believes Carson Wentz is the future of this franchise. I don’t agree with that sentiment but I do think there’s people in that organization that feel that way. i can’t prove it or disapprove it but I have a feeling that there is a faction in this organization that might not be In on the wentz camp moving forward long term. I feel like that’s a part of the dysfunction you are seeing right now with things being leaked to reporters like mclane and mosher and caplan. The other part is the Eagles for whatever reason have always had some sort of dysfunction every 3 to 4 years. The fact there’s definite dysfunction because you have howie Roseman and Zach Ertz going at each other on the sidelines of a practice about a contract in front of the entire team. 

Don’t know if this has been posted yet but for those who want to throw the Oline under the bus for Carson’s issues, he has 20 off target throws this season, 15 are from a clean pocket...

 

Oline hasn’t been great but it’s clear Wentz has gone backwards in progression this is year 5 he should be having his best year yet...

17 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I agree with your thought process that you would get a boatload of picks for that pick for Lawrence. And those picks normally if you were rebuilding a team or needing of adding a ton of youth onto the roster and you believe you have a quarterback of the future would be massively beneficial to the Eagles. You can get a plethora of young talent infused into this team relatively fast with those picks based off that trade.

However those two issues with it. One the Eagles have not been good at drafting so those picks you might not get the max value think you’re going to get. In theory you should if you were a decent to good drafting team you could cash in big-time. Unfortunately the Eagles have not proven that. Second and just my personal belief, I don’t think to everyone in this organization believes Carson Wentz is the future of this franchise. I don’t agree with that sentiment but I do think there’s people in that organization that feel that way. i can’t prove it or disapprove it but I have a feeling that there is a faction in this organization that might not be In on the wentz camp moving forward long term. I feel like that’s a part of the dysfunction you are seeing right now with things being leaked to reporters like mclane and mosher and caplan. The other part is the Eagles for whatever reason have always had some sort of dysfunction every 3 to 4 years. The fact there’s definite dysfunction because you have howie Roseman and Zach Ertz going at each other on the sidelines of a practice about a contract in front of the entire team. 

Seriously. It’s T.O. splitting the the locker room. Or Banner vs beloved player. Then Washburn being a D and undermining Castillo. Then Asomugha being a weirdo and the whole dream team debacle. Then Chip Kelly. Then Doug vs Schwartz and Doug being undermined with coaching hires. It’s been endless.

7 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

it’s clear Wentz has gone backwards in progression this is year 5 he should be having his best year yet...

Taking personality out of it I would say in general this is dependent on the coaching the QB in question is getting.

44 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It could be weak but the fact of the matter is 2012 season the team didn’t have the upmost faith in Michael Vick anymore due to decline performance and health. Vick was older than Carson so that’s a difference but imo they were hedging their bets that he might not be the future anymore and getting a prospect that they liked(granted not the one they continue to tells us they wanted but failed to pick with 3 picks in the first and second round). Now you can say they might not feel that way about Carson as they did Vick but I don’t think you take a second round quarterback unless you have bigger plans then we’re just gonna flip him in 3 years and this is a Cheap insurance plan if Carson gets hurt again. Because realistically hurts is probably not going to win you very many games as a rookie if he needs to play in a pandemic year. so in reality you’re only getting high level back up quarterback play for two years and then dealing him. And you might not even get back the value of that pic if he winds up being underwhelming for a second round pick.  Seems like there might be a bigger story that people don’t want to talk about or believe this organization might be trying to do. 

If you think he's the guy then you take him when you want him and not when compared to value vs position or where he's rated.  Go and F'ing get him.  Back then I thought Wilson was the perfect fit to replace Vick.  He was mobile and smart.  Played at NC State then transferred to Wisconsin, becoming the Captain and switching O schemes he was superb at Wisconsin playing behind a line that was bigger than the majority of NFL lines so his height wasn't an issue.  I really wanted the Eagles to draft him.  I liked that they drafted Wentz as even though from a 'small' school, that school played a more NFL type O than most of the major big schools and it was said Wentz called out protections and could read a D at the line.  Now I wonder where is that now?

 

48 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I really don’t think the Eagles can get out of their own way.  They finally have this conversion to explosive athletes, but I’m not sure they did it right.

WR and DE are the positions for that...you and I certainly agree there.  4-3 LB is a read and react position.  That might actually be one of the few positions where a more intuitive football player who takes the right angle with the right first step and the right form tackle is head and shoulders above the raw high end athlete.  
 

Taylor may have rare burst and athleticism, but he’s also a 3rd round pick at a non premium position who will take years to contribute.  Meanwhile, he’s sitting behind LBs that aren’t even nfl quality.  
 

So in Howie’s great turn around draft, we’ve got a 3rd round pick who may not see the field at a position of dire weakness, a useless 2nd round pick, and a first round pick who may spend the year injured.  

I disagree on your view of LB in today’s NFL. LB is basically a position where you make a choice: either you accept a non athlete who is going to be a very vulnerable, very one dimensional run stopper or you go for the uber athlete who can actually perform in the passing game.

As far as "not doing it right” it’s pretty tough to blame in season injuries on doing the draft wrong. It’s not like Reagor was coming off a major injury. The QB pick really isn’t useless. His use is as a backup. Lest we forget, we won the SB with a backup QB and our starter has ended multiple seasons on the IR. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Seriously. It’s T.O. splitting the the locker room. Or Banner vs beloved player. Then Washburn being a D and undermining Castillo. Then Asomugha being a weirdo and the whole dream team debacle. Then Chip Kelly. Then Doug vs Schwartz and Doug being undermined with coaching hires. It’s been endless.

Literally it feels like a soap opera every 3 to 4 years there’s something that comes up. And it’s some sort of dysfunction and it plays out and gets leaked out to the media for everyone to see. It has been like this for the last 15 years. Don’t forget the leaked Carson wentz story to josina and santoliquito.  At some point I look at it and say what is the common denominator with all these things going on. Who’s been here for those 15 years? 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Literally it feels like a soap opera every 3 to 4 years there’s something that comes up. And it’s some sort of dysfunction and it plays out and gets leaked out to the media for everyone to see. It has been like this for the last 15 years. Don’t forget the leaked Carson wentz story to josina and santoliquito.  At some point I look at it and say what is the common denominator with all these things going on. Who’s been here for those 15 years? 

Yup. I missed a lot more like McNabb vs Vick, Cary Williams Sconces, Orlando Scandrick etc. It’s beyond annoying. The last ten years besides 2017 and arguably 2013 have been an absolute chore. It’s not fun. 

3 hours ago, Green_Guinness said:

If you think he's the guy then you take him when you want him and not when compared to value vs position or where he's rated.  Go and F'ing get him.  Back then I thought Wilson was the perfect fit to replace Vick.  He was mobile and smart.  Played at NC State then transferred to Wisconsin, becoming the Captain and switching O schemes he was superb at Wisconsin playing behind a line that was bigger than the majority of NFL lines so his height wasn't an issue.  I really wanted the Eagles to draft him.  I liked that they drafted Wentz as even though from a 'small' school, that school played a more NFL type O than most of the major big schools and it was said Wentz called out protections and could read a D at the line.  Now I wonder where is that now?

 

I really liked Wilson in the draft. My issue with the Eagles with that was if you loved him that much to think he had that type of talent to be a franchise QB make sure you get him. Like you don’t value linebacker as much as franchise quarterback so if you loved Russell Wilson as much as you keep making it out to be there was no reason for you not to take him over a guy like Mychael Kendricks who plays a position you don’t value nearly as much as other teams.

 I also love Nick Foles in that draft. Living out here I got to see him play live. Actually had some good information from some of the coaches at Arizona telling me the Eagles were interested but I could tell you his college career was very similar to his career in the NFL where he would get hot at times. Look like a top quarterback prospect in the country and then other times you watch and be like dude how is this guy at the beginning of his senior season projected as a first round pick. His career has continued that way.

I think there’s dysfunction going on between doug, wentz and howie. My personal belief it really feels like someone in the next 2-3 years is not gonna be here with the Eagles. I don’t know who that is but I would not be shocked if one of those three guys (If not two) is not with the organization in three years

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yup. I missed a lot more like McNabb vs Vick, Cary Williams Sconces, Orlando Scandrick etc. It’s beyond annoying. The last ten years besides 2017 and arguably 2013 have been an absolute chore. It’s not fun. 

Yep. There’s been dysfunction and it starts at the top. I look at it this way, the Kansas City Chiefs even before they got Patrick Mahomes didn’t have this type of dysfunction. Now they’re definitely more likely to have harmony because mahomes is so good that they’re likely going to be a Super Bowl contender for the next 8 to 10 years. But Andy goes to Kansas City and doesn’t seem to have any problems over there. But meanwhile back in Philadelphia besides 2017 there seems to be dysfunction at every corner and every turn. Heck even the hiring of Doug Peterson was somewhat dysfunctional and bailed out by the giants saving us. I sit there and I say to myself since 2005, Jeffrey lurie been here and howie Roseman has been here. Those are the common denominators. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yep. There’s been dysfunction and it starts at the top. I look at it this way, the Kansas City Chiefs even before they got Patrick Mahomes didn’t have this type of dysfunction. Now they’re definitely more likely to have harmony because mahomes is so good that they’re likely going to be a Super Bowl contender for the next 8 to 10 years. But Andy goes to Kansas City and doesn’t seem to have any problems over there. But meanwhile back in Philadelphia besides 2017 there seems to be dysfunction at every corner and every turn. I sit there and I say to myself since 2005, Jeffrey lurie been here and howie Roseman has been here. Those are the common denominators. 

Considering Howie was stripped of power which was given to Kelly you have to almost wonder if it’s Lurie and maybe he’s more meddling behind the scenes than what it seems. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I really liked Wilson in the draft. My issue with the Eagles with that was if you loved him that much to think he had that type of talent to be a franchise QB make sure you get him. Like you don’t value linebacker as much as franchise quarterback so if you loved Russell Wilson as much as you keep making it out to be there was no reason for you not to take him over a guy like Michael Kendricks who plays a position you don’t value nearly as much as other teams.

 I also love Nick Foles in that draft. Living out here I got to see him play live. Actually had some good information from some of the coaches at Arizona telling me the Eagles were interested but I could tell you his college career was very similar to his career in the NFL where he would get hot at times. Look like a top quarterback prospect in the country and then other times you watch and be like dude how is this guy at the beginning of his senior season projected as a first round pick. His career is continued that way.

I think there’s dysfunction going on between doug, wentz and howie. Personal belied really feels like someone in the next 2-3 years is not gonna be here with the Eagles. I don’t know who that is but I would not be shocked if one of those three guys (If not two) is not with the organization in three years

We are in full agreement here.

Would we have won a SB with Wilson?  We'll never know.  We drafted Foles and he won us our FIRST LOMBARDI, albeit on his 2nd stint with us and in a backup role.  I'm just glad I got to witness a SB victory (and go to the parade) with my family.  

Something is not right within the organization right now.  Feels like there's a silent/quiet storm brewing (and I'm not talking Roynell Young) and I agree that in the next few years at least one, if not two, of them will no longer be here.

 

39 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I agree with your thought process that you would get a boatload of picks for that pick for Lawrence. And those picks normally if you were rebuilding a team or needing of adding a ton of youth onto the roster and you believe you have a quarterback of the future would be massively beneficial to the Eagles. You can get a plethora of young talent infused into this team relatively fast with those picks based off that trade.

However those two issues with it. One the Eagles have not been good at drafting so those picks you might not get the max value think you’re going to get. In theory you should if you were a decent to good drafting team you could cash in big-time. Unfortunately the Eagles have not proven that. Second and just my personal belief, I don’t think to everyone in this organization believes Carson Wentz is the future of this franchise. I don’t agree with that sentiment but I do think there’s people in that organization that feel that way. i can’t prove it or disapprove it but I have a feeling that there is a faction in this organization that might not be In on the wentz camp moving forward long term. I feel like that’s a part of the dysfunction you are seeing right now with things being leaked to reporters like mclane and mosher and caplan. The other part is the Eagles for whatever reason have always had some sort of dysfunction every 3 to 4 years. The fact there’s definite dysfunction because you have howie Roseman and Zach Ertz going at each other on the sidelines of a practice about a contract in front of the entire team. 

Fair enough and well thought out.  I need to stay away from the rest of TATE.  Please enjoy the following video.  

 

2 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

We are in full agreement here.

Would we have won a SB with Wilson?  We'll never know.  We drafted Foles and he won us our FIRST LOMBARDI, albeit on his 2nd stint with us and in a backup role.  I'm just glad I got to witness a SB victory (and go to the parade) with my family.  

Something is not right within the organization right now.  Feels like there's a silent/quiet storm brewing (and I'm not talking Roynell Young) and I agree that in the next few years at least one, if not two, of them will no longer be here.

 

If the reports have any truth to them regarding Pederson being at the end of his rope at the beginning of the season, it’s possible he could decide to walk away on his own if the season goes south.  Then, all of the Jim Schwartz detractors in here can start worrying about the possibility of his next head coaching gig being in Philly.

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Considering Howie was stripped of power which was given to Kelly you have to almost wonder if it’s Lurie and maybe he’s more meddling behind the scenes than what it seems. 

Possible. But even though howie was removed of that power at the time  I think it was because lurie knew chip would screw it up and only temporary until he could put howie back into the role he wanted him for. And i think howie kind of saw that too. Then they put this dog and pony show on about how howie has changed in his time away and did all these things to learn.  I think the best partnership in the entire organization is the partnership between howie and Jeffrey lurie. Honest question when was the last time you heard bad malicious rumors about howie or something leaked out bad about Roseman? I’ve heard multiple things about Doug. I have heard multiple bad things leaked out about wentz. I’ve heard some stories about Joe Douglas.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

If the reports have any truth to them regarding Pederson being at the end of his rope at the beginning of the season, it’s possible he could decide to walk away on his own if the season goes south.  Then, all of the Jim Schwartz detractors in here can start worrying about the possibility of his next head coaching gig being in Philly.

that would be as bad of a hire as d’antoni would be for the sixers or keeping klentak/mcphail around after firing Gabe. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Possible. But even though howie was removed of that power at the time  I think it was because lurie new chip would screw it up and only temporary until he could put howie back into the role he wanted him for.  I think the best partnership in the entire organization is the partnership between howie and Jeffrey lurie. Honest question when was the last time you heard bad publicity or something leaked out badly about Roseman? I’ve heard multiple things about Doug. I have heard multiple bad things leaked out about wentz. I’ve heard some stories about Joe Douglas.

 

9 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

We are in full agreement here.

Would we have won a SB with Wilson?  We'll never know.  We drafted Foles and he won us our FIRST LOMBARDI, albeit on his 2nd stint with us and in a backup role.  I'm just glad I got to witness a SB victory (and go to the parade) with my family.  

Something is not right within the organization right now.  Feels like there's a silent/quiet storm brewing (and I'm not talking Roynell Young) and I agree that in the next few years at least one, if not two, of them will no longer be here.

 

Yeah. I have a feeling the person who’s standing here at the end of the day through all of this is going to be the guy that has made it through 2 previous regime changes. 

21 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yep. There’s been dysfunction and it starts at the top. I look at it this way, the Kansas City Chiefs even before they got Patrick Mahomes didn’t have this type of dysfunction. Now they’re definitely more likely to have harmony because mahomes is so good that they’re likely going to be a Super Bowl contender for the next 8 to 10 years. But Andy goes to Kansas City and doesn’t seem to have any problems over there. But meanwhile back in Philadelphia besides 2017 there seems to be dysfunction at every corner and every turn. Heck even the hiring of Doug Peterson was somewhat dysfunctional and bailed out by the giants saving us. I sit there and I say to myself since 2005, Jeffrey lurie been here and howie Roseman has been here. Those are the common denominators. 

I think you would also have to include the Philly media in here as a common denominator.  They are obviously larger, more intimidating and most importantly, they hold this team accountable maybe more any sports market/city in the US.  Andy Reid could probably dial up 60+ passes this weekend and deactivate all RBs and their 1 beat reporter would think he's brilliant.  

I definitely think some of the drama and stories that come out from our own media are heavily exaggerated, but they all do a great job at digging with questions until they strike a nerve.     

1 hour ago, hputenis said:

I think you would also have to include the Philly media in here as a common denominator.  They are obviously larger, more intimidating and most importantly, they hold this team accountable maybe more any sports market/city in the US.  Andy Reid could probably dial up 60+ passes this weekend and deactivate all RBs and their 1 beat reporter would think he's brilliant.  

I definitely think some of the drama and stories that come out from our own media are heavily exaggerated, but they all do a great job at digging with questions until they strike a nerve.     

I think the media definitely has a part in all of this. There’s guys in the philly media that do things i think are ridiculous or believe the eagles or any of the franchises owe them something cause they are reporters. 

However I also do think the Eagles are manipulative with their fans. From their spin cycle on players to putting things out there when they want it to be (desean gang story, wentz and alshon at a sixers game and i can think of about 5-6 more) to business decisions. the eagles know they can get the fans to turn on the media with a story than fans are going to then turn on their own home team. Even if the Eagles fans do someone turn on the team they’re still gonna come back because the passion is there from the Fanbase. I’ve seen more fans defend the Eagles when they’ve made poor decisions with a spin or dysfunction on their own accord. but meanwhile I’ve seen reporters put stuff out there that winds up being correct in time and then fans just downplay the fact that it was correct 

I think there’s two possible things going on. That there are media members in philly that try to make a bigger story of things to get clicks and stay relevant. Also The Eagles organization knows how to push the buttons of their fans to turn them on the media instead of them when they’re making bad moves or dysfunction in that organization. I think both of those things can be true.

1 hour ago, Green_Guinness said:

We are in full agreement here.

Would we have won a SB with Wilson?  We'll never know.  We drafted Foles and he won us our FIRST LOMBARDI, albeit on his 2nd stint with us and in a backup role.  I'm just glad I got to witness a SB victory (and go to the parade) with my family.  

Something is not right within the organization right now.  Feels like there's a silent/quiet storm brewing (and I'm not talking Roynell Young) and I agree that in the next few years at least one, if not two, of them will no longer be here.

 

Hope at least 1 of them gone is Howie.

8 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Caplan went after Wentz again pretty good today. Said from everyone’s he’s talked to Wentz is just not being receptive enough to coaching and he’s ignoring what he’s being told. He said that’s the reason Doug was a little more vocal about criticism toward him that the frustration inside that locker room is building.

Apparently he’s just freelancing and doing whatever he wants when on the field. Just ignoring what he’s taught.

Take that for what it is.

Except that there was a very noticeable change with him on the field from last week to this.

10 hours ago, ManuManu said:

That’s why I was down on Herbig when we signed him as a UDFA. He just isn’t agile or athletic. I really didn’t see how he fit our mold. 

He appears to have some kind of future in the league though. 

Herbig, a 2019 UDFA, started 2 games and was good in the 2nd one. Even if he's not a protoypical player, he can still work in this scheme. He's not Brooks or Kelce, but he was sealing players off on screens! Herbig isn't the least of my worries. 

Herbig is also the best Stanford player we drafted in 2019. 😟

7 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yup. I missed a lot more like McNabb vs Vick, Cary Williams Sconces, Orlando Scandrick etc. It’s beyond annoying. The last ten years besides 2017 and arguably 2013 have been an absolute chore. It’s not fun. 

Guess that's what's been selling copies of the Daily News.  Wouldn't know , they put up a paywall.  Total Drama Island. 

This week's episode? Let's pretend Doug is Host of Survivor and vote HIM "off the Island".  ( After we non stop bash the General of course)