55 minutes ago, RLC said:

Herbig, a 2019 UDFA, started 2 games and was good in the 2nd one. Even if he's not a protoypical player, he can still work in this scheme. He's not Brooks or Kelce, but he was sealing players off on screens! Herbig isn't the least of my worries. 

Herbig is also the best Stanford player we drafted in 2019. 😟

Ertz says hello

Hahaha. Just saw the FRONT Page of the latest Daily News, no wonder we always sound like we're from two completely different planets. 

#WeARE

 

25 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

Ertz says hello

2019?

9 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The whole pick was weird to me. ADG is like a more polished, slightly less athletic Davion Taylor. Like they could have taken the more pro ready, good coverage, fast, athletic LB but instead took a guy who is a little better athlete but didn’t play football regularly because his family is religious. 

Yep, DT was not a good draft pick at all.  There are lots of super athletic guys every draft. You don't draft a guy in round 3 who has to learn how to play the position.  Heck we are in year 4 of Nathan Gerry still trying to learn how to play LB and he was an athletic safety in college.  I didn't like the pick when they made it and I still don't like it. 

 

8 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Literally it feels like a soap opera every 3 to 4 years there’s something that comes up. And it’s some sort of dysfunction and it plays out and gets leaked out to the media for everyone to see. It has been like this for the last 15 years. Don’t forget the leaked Carson wentz story to josina and santoliquito.  At some point I look at it and say what is the common denominator with all these things going on. Who’s been here for those 15 years? 

Jeff Lurie?  Duce Staley?  Ben Franklin curse?  Whatever it is you're right.  There is always SOMETHING.  

14 hours ago, Arsenal79 said:

This.  Show me one true "franchise QB" who has had a season so awful this many years into his career.  These apologists will be looking for a long time.

If we crater to 3 or 4 wins behind Wentz that's all the proof we need that he isn't the guy.

So it's a 2 game season now? 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Yep, DT was not a good draft pick at all.  There are lots of super athletic guys every draft. You don't draft a guy in round 3 who has to learn how to play the position.  Heck we are in year 4 of Nathan Gerry still trying to learn how to play LB and he was an athletic safety in college.  I didn't like the pick when they made it and I still don't like it. 

 

It really makes no sense though. You'd think a safety converted to LB would be good in coverage. Gerry isn't.

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

So it's a 2 game season now? 

I'm not sure he understands what an 'apologist' actually is -- much less a 16-game season

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Yep, DT was not a good draft pick at all.  There are lots of super athletic guys every draft. You don't draft a guy in round 3 who has to learn how to play the position.  Heck we are in year 4 of Nathan Gerry still trying to learn how to play LB and he was an athletic safety in college.  I didn't like the pick when they made it and I still don't like it. 

 

I’m assuming the last part was geared towards not liking DT and not gerry. Cause if it’s gerry i don’t understand how you didn’t like it. It was a fifth round pick and he’s still in the league after 4 years which is better than the majority of 5th rounders. The problem is gerry should be a nice backup and ST player but the eagles continue to use him as a starter. That’s on the eagles organization not having better linebackers not gerry. 

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I'm not sure he understands what an 'apologist' actually is -- much less a 16-game season

I'm not sure you understand what a "franchise QB" actually is.  But perhaps for a mental midget it takes more than 4+ seasons to finally figure it out.

2 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

I'm not sure you understand what a "franchise QB" actually is.  But perhaps for a mental midget it takes more than 4+ seasons to finally figure it out.

You need to be more pragmatic; Wentz is $24.5M in dead cap even in 2022 where Spotrac lists the 'potential out' in his contract.  Teams don't eat that kind of salary unless the player is a locker room cancer, or they are about to be charged criminally.

He's the franchise QB in all practical terms.  The Eagles need to coach better because he will continue to be the QB on the field as long as he is healthy; you can complain about him all you want but that fact doesn't change

 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m assuming the last part was geared towards not liking DT and not gerry. Cause if it’s gerry i don’t understand how you didn’t like it. It was a fifth round pick and he’s still in the league after 4 years which is better than the majority of 5th rounders. The problem is gerry should be a nice backup and ST player but the eagles continue to use him as a starter. That’s on the eagles organization not having better linebackers not gerry. 

Correct, I don't like the DT pick in the 3rd.  If they took him in the 5th like they did Gerry then I would have no issue with it.  I've always thought and said it on here multiple times that players you select in round 1-3 should be heavily contributing if not starting material in year 1 or 2.  Round 4-7 is where you build your depth, take a project player and fill out ST's.  I hate how the Eagles use their 2nd and 3rd round picks like they have some unlimited amount of draft picks or they hit on the majority of them.  It's quite the opposite for them.  

What we are seeing now with the Eagles, and many of us on here are aware of it, is the Eagles don't have a young core foundation.  Those 2nd and 3rd round picks that you continually miss on or take gambles with add up over time.  Yea, we have Miles Sanders and Dallas Goedert but there is also a very realistic chance both don't sign a 2nd contract here.  So now we are using the 2nd round as 4 year rentals.  

It's really quite depressing and frustrating to really sit back and look at how the Eagles build their roster and then manage it throughout the season.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Correct, I don't like the DT pick in the 3rd.  If they took him in the 5th like they did Gerry then I would have no issue with it.  I've always thought and said it on here multiple times that players you select in round 1-3 should be heavily contributing if not starting material in year 1 or 2.  Round 4-7 is where you build your depth, take a project player and fill out ST's.  I hate how the Eagles use their 2nd and 3rd round picks like they have some unlimited amount of draft picks or they hit on the majority of them.  It's quite the opposite for them.  

What we are seeing now with the Eagles, and many of us on here are aware of it, is the Eagles don't have a young core foundation.  Those 2nd and 3rd round picks that you continually miss on or take gambles with add up over time.  Yea, we have Miles Sanders and Dallas Goedert but there is also a very realistic chance both don't sign a 2nd contract here.  So now we are using the 2nd round as 4 year rentals.  

It's really quite depressing and frustrating to really sit back and look at how the Eagles build their roster and then manage it throughout the season.

Davion Taylor should send Jalen Hurts a Christmas card this year -- because for all the uproar about the Hurts pick, I thought the Taylor pick was truly awful.

8 hours ago, Green_Guinness said:

We are in full agreement here.

Would we have won a SB with Wilson?  We'll never know.  We drafted Foles and he won us our FIRST LOMBARDI, albeit on his 2nd stint with us and in a backup role.  I'm just glad I got to witness a SB victory (and go to the parade) with my family.  

Something is not right within the organization right now.  Feels like there's a silent/quiet storm brewing (and I'm not talking Roynell Young) and I agree that in the next few years at least one, if not two, of them will no longer be here.

 

This was posted by BLG:

The quote is from Joe Santoloquito who wrote the negative article about Wentz.  I don't know who his source is inside of the Eagles organization but he does have a source.  

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Correct, I don't like the DT pick in the 3rd.  If they took him in the 5th like they did Gerry then I would have no issue with it.  I've always thought and said it on here multiple times that players you select in round 1-3 should be heavily contributing if not starting material in year 1 or 2.  Round 4-7 is where you build your depth, take a project player and fill out ST's.  I hate how the Eagles use their 2nd and 3rd round picks like they have some unlimited amount of draft picks or they hit on the majority of them.  It's quite the opposite for them.  

What we are seeing now with the Eagles, and many of us on here are aware of it, is the Eagles don't have a young core foundation.  Those 2nd and 3rd round picks that you continually miss on or take gambles with add up over time.  Yea, we have Miles Sanders and Dallas Goedert but there is also a very realistic chance both don't sign a 2nd contract here.  So now we are using the 2nd round as 4 year rentals.  

It's really quite depressing and frustrating to really sit back and look at how the Eagles build their roster and then manage it throughout the season.

Yeah we discussed this back in February/March about how their younger core players when you compare to the rest of the league just isn’t good enough so when this older core eventually drops off which will happen they are in trouble if they didn’t turn it around soon. Frankly some of the younger core i think the eagles overrate. I am not nearly as high on maddox as others are. The more depressing part is i don’t know how lurie sits and looks at what they’ve done in the draft since 2016 and say we’ve done a good enough job. You have 2 draft classes that besides sanders, Gerry (17 and 19) that have been awful. A solid 2016 and 2018 classes. And 2020 where your 4th round picks and later might get more time then your second and third rounders this year and potentially next year. 

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

This was posted by BLG:

The quote is from Joe Santoloquito who wrote the negative article about Wentz.  I don't know who his source is inside of the Eagles organization but he does have a source.  

Not sure I buy into that.  A lot of times when Wentz says "Kill, Kill" at the LOS, it doesn't appear they are changing formation or audibling into another play -- they're looking at the defense's reaction.  Using the Peyton Manning example, Manning used to call out all sorts of dummy signals before the snap in order to confuse the defensive players, rather than moving any offensive pieces.

 

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

This was posted by BLG:

The quote is from Joe Santoloquito who wrote the negative article about Wentz.  I don't know who his source is inside of the Eagles organization but he does have a source.  

Doug said awhile ago that he gives Wentz 1 or 2 plays and if one isn't going to work then Wentz chooses the other one. Ultimately they're all still Doug's plays though since he created the entire gameplan...

It's really starting to sound like the media just wants to create drama about Wentz

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Davion Taylor should send Jalen Hurts a Christmas card this year -- because for all the uproar about the Hurts pick, I thought the Taylor pick was truly awful.

I like Reagor and think he is going to be a very good WR.  But here we are again.  With Reagor hurt, this draft is contributing next to nothing.  Driscoll might end up being a good swing lineman.  HIghtower had his rookie mistakes in week 1 and nothing in week 2.  Hurts is being used as a decoy player put in motion (any player is going to draw a defender when in motion) Taylor is ST, Bradley is ST.  Watkins is hurt.  Prince is PS.  Am I forgetting anyone?

Again, I do have high hopes for Reagor.  I'm intrigued by Hightower and Watkins.  Driscoll and Prince will provide depth on the line.  Taylor and Bradley are JAG ST linebackers.  If either of them produce like Omar Gaither then I consider that a success and that isn't saying much.  

 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah we discussed this back in February/March about how their younger core players when you compare to the rest of the league just isn’t good enough so when this older core eventually drops off which will happen they are in trouble if they didn’t turn it around soon. Frankly some of the younger core i think the eagles overrate. I am not nearly as high on maddox as others are. The more depressing part is i don’t know how lurie sits and looks at what they’ve done in the draft since 2016 and say we’ve done a good enough job. You have 2 draft classes that besides sanders, Gerry (17 and 19) that have been awful. A solid 2016 and 2018 classes. And 2020 where your 4th round picks and later might get more time then your second and third rounders this year and potentially next year. 

Yup.  Maddox is an average nickel corner.  NOT a starting outside corner.  

They overrate him and underrate and wasted a guy like LeBlanc.  Why they just said F you, we are signing NRC makes no sense to me.  They should have had Maddox and LeBlanc fight for the nickel and either draft or sign a #2 CB.  Again, horrible roster management. 

Lol the coverage for this game is so miniscule 

We're teal

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah we discussed this back in February/March about how their younger core players when you compare to the rest of the league just isn’t good enough so when this older core eventually drops off which will happen they are in trouble if they didn’t turn it around soon. Frankly some of the younger core i think the eagles overrate. I am not nearly as high on maddox as others are. The more depressing part is i don’t know how lurie sits and looks at what they’ve done in the draft since 2016 and say we’ve done a good enough job. You have 2 draft classes that besides sanders, Gerry (17 and 19) that have been awful. A solid 2016 and 2018 classes. And 2020 where your 4th round picks and later might get more time then your second and third rounders this year and potentially next year. 

I agree on Maddox. He had a nice rookie season but hasn't played as well since then. I don't think he's an outside corner but I guess there really isn't anyone else to start opposite Slay aside from Mills. Since Mills is the Jenkins replacement so I don't see him going back to corner any time soon.

As far as your drafts go don't forget that the entire 2014 and 2015 classes are gone. I know there's debate on whether those were Howie's or Chip's drafts but I don't really care. Those are supposed to be your veteran players in the prime of their careers and yet we are getting zero contribution from either class. But we got some mid-round comp picks for the players who walked so I guess it's okay.

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Lol the coverage for this game is so miniscule 

We're teal

I'm blue - figuratively and cartographically.

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Lol the coverage for this game is so miniscule 

We're teal

I'm not surprised. Two of the worst teams in the league.

34 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

I'm not sure you understand what a "franchise QB" actually is.  But perhaps for a mental midget it takes more than 4+ seasons to finally figure it out.

Just curious, were you this down on Wentz in 2017 when he was throwing for a team record 33 TDs and was the favorite for the league MVP until he got hurt?

The question is what has made him regress. Is it the injuries? The coaching? Did the big contract go to his head? maybe his wife is holding out on him.

Judging from the SB year it sure as hell isn't a lack of talent.