12 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Idk.  From some of the clips I've seen from the first two games both DJax and JJAW seemed to be open (on several occasions) but not targeted.   🤷‍♂️

I mean, we can blame the WR's all we want but if they are getting open but not targeted, how is it their fault?

This is the same lame excuse used to cover for Wentz's poor play last year.  When he finally snapped out of his funk, he was given all the credit.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I will point out on that interception and it was discussed at length by caplan and mosher and solak and kist and evening Berman Jjaw also didn’t run a good route. That’s why the corner was also able to make a plya on it besides a late bad throw by wentz. 

additionally I’ve watched all 22 they were arent as open as you think they are.  JJAW  has been open maybe 3-4 times so those two or three times is going to make up for the difference of the fact he’s been bad on the other 90% of those routes is running? It makes up for Hightower and reagor running poor routes on interceptions as well? Carson definitely poor throws  just as much those receivers ran poor routes. It could totally be both. However you have some sort of agenda what do you think it’s just Carson Wentz. I will point out they have the worst wide receiving corpse in the NFL. Go look around the league they have the worst. And it’s not even debatable

Like Carson deserves to be criticize. However you having Jjaw playing a significant amount of snaps is beyond idiotic. This goes straight back to the Mack hollins crap last year  There’s a reason why Holland was never getting targeted because he wasn’t good.  Maybe he’s not being targeted because Carson Wentz thinks he Fing sucks and doesn’t trust him. Add on DeSean Jackson he’s on the sidelines for "load management” for large stretches of the game. I find it funny that everyone seems to leave these type of things out. So Sean Jackson is only playing 70%. Rager who’s a rookie who probably shouldn’t be playing as much as he is is you’re leading guy that is bad maneuvering of your wide receiver position

They don't have the "worst wr corp" in the NFL. 

DeSean Jackson, even with his "limited" playing time is on pace for almost 900 yards and he's averaging just under 14 YPC...and he's been open at least a half dozen times and not targeted (at least once for an easy TD).  

I can't wait to hear the excuses once Jeffery is back next week. (I hope there won't be any since I'm expecting Wentz to eventually get back on track.)  But to blame the WR's for the first 2 games is laughable, imo.

 

 

I can’t remember but did Barnett do anything last week besides commit a penalty? 

26 minutes ago, Mortimer said:

This is the same lame excuse used to cover for Wentz's poor play last year.  When he finally snapped out of his funk, he was given all the credit.

I’m pretty realistic on the board. I’ve been saying for months this team is no better than an 8-8 team and they lacked young talent. I was one of the few people bashing Carson wentz last year before his stretch run saying he needs to be better. And I still go after him this year because he’s played poorly And he’s been as awful as we’ve seen from him in his career. heck i even called their stretch run last year fools gold cause it was 

However if you think that wide receiver Corp is good, show me 5 teams that are worse than them.... I’ll wait cause it really is the jets As a lock and that’s pretty much it. 

heck I’ll do it for you 

New England— maybe

jets— worse

bills- better

dolphins— better

steelers— better

ravens— better

browns— better

bengals— better 

colts— better

jags— better (yeah chark, westbrook and Conley along with shenault are better)

titans— better 

Texans— even losing Hopkins better with cooks and fuller 

chiefs— better

raiders— same as they lost williams otherwise they’d be better

chargers— better

broncos— better before Sutton went down 

dallas— better

redskins— same even if it’s just mclaurin 

giants— better

packers— better 

vikings— better

lions— better

bears— same and they only have Miller and robinson 

bucs— better 

Falcons— better

saints— better

carolina— better

49ers— better when deebo is healthy and sanu acclimated 

Cardinals— better

seahawks— better 

rams— better 

so maybe 4 teams that are worse or as bad of a corps as the eagles. Interesting they spent 3 draft picks and thought Goodwin was going to be a veteran savior when he’s perpetually hurt and sucked for 2 years.

Carson Wentz has obviously been horrific to start this year. However going into a season saying we’re gonna rely on three rookies in a covid offseason and Jjaw Who needed as much help as them to hit the ground running week one was kind of a dumb idea

 

10 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I can’t remember but did Barnett do anything last week besides commit a penalty? 

one solo tackle, two assisted

that's it

played 48% of the snaps btw

17 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

They don't have the "worst wr corp" in the NFL. 

DeSean Jackson, even with his "limited" playing time is on pace for almost 900 yards and he's averaging just under 14 YPC...and he's been open at least a half dozen times and not targeted (at least once for an easy TD).  

I can't wait to hear the excuses once Jeffery is back next week. (I hope there won't be any since I'm expecting Wentz to eventually get back on track.)  But to blame the WR's for the first 2 games is laughable, imo.

 

 

Lol. I just made a list. Go look and tell me it’s not true they aren’t a bottom 5 WR. They are bottom 5 wr corps in the league. And where did I say it was solely the wide receivers for the problems that they have. No I said Carson Wentz is playing like crap and their wide receivers are one of the worst unit in the league. And what I said 3-4 months ago was you were asking for trouble relying on three rookies, jjaw who look like crap all last year and Ward going into the season playing significant snaps. you have guys running poor routes At times cause they are young and learning and waiting for the ball to come to them instead of attacking it. And it’s on there Too along with Carson playing like dog crap.

Just like I point out week one, the defense when In the red zone couldn’t stop anybody And late in the game they couldn’t get off the field on third down. I didn’t see you talking about that because that reared its ugly little head last week. Yeah you didn’t mention it one iota after week one. So maybe you need evaluate a little more Because I was on here and I was saying that’s a problem they had last year with the same unit. Yet you ignore that problem but managed to find every little spot with Carson Wentz but when the defense showed you they had the same issues as last year you just sat there and didn’t say a word after week one. And it was the same problem they could not get off the field on third down late end games and in critical times especially with 3rd and long 

You’re right it’s laughable that Robby Anderson who’s playing for less money than DeSean Jackson and younger is dwarfing the entire Eagles wide receiving corps. Yet people like yourself didn’t want to go after him because you didn’t want to spend $8 million on him because your evaluation on things was spot on as he wasn’t worth it. Meanwhile his fourth in the league in receiving yards with a guy not known for throwing the deep ball. 

Wentz is going to bust out of this funk soon. Get ready.

It starts on Sunday.

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Lol. I just made a list. Go look and tell me it’s not true they aren’t a bottom 5 WR. They are bottom 5 wr corps in the league. And where did I say it was solely the wide receivers for the problems that they have. No I said Carson Wentz is playing like crap and their wide receivers are one of the worst unit in the league. Which it is and even on tape they don’t look great either. you have guys running poor routes At times cause they are young and learning and waiting for the ball to come to them. And it’s on there Too along with Carson playing like dog crap.

Just like I point out week one the defense when In the red zone couldn’t stop anybody And late in the game they couldn’t get off the field. Yeah I didn’t see you talking about that because that reared its ugly little head last week. Yeah you didn’t mention it one iota after week one. So maybe you need evaluate a little more Because I was on here and I was saying that’s a problem they had last year with the same unit. Yet you ignore that problem but she managed to leave to find every little spot with Carson Wentz but when the defense showed you they had the same issues as last year you just sat there and didn’t say a word after week one. And it was the same problem they could not get off the field on third down late end games and in critical times especially with 3rd and long 

You’re right it’s laughable that Robby Anderson who’s playing for less money than DeSean Jackson and younger is dwarfing the entire Eagles wide receiving corps. Yet people like yourself didn’t want to go after them because you didn’t want to spend $8 million on him because your evaluation on things is spot on as he wasn’t worth it. Meanwhile his fourth in the league in receiving yards with a guy not known for throwing the deep ball. 

Robby Anderson would likely have similar stats as Djax if he was on the Eagles right now.  (Probably worse because DJax is still a better overall WR than Anderson).

Wentz has never been "great" at deep balls but this year he can't come within 5-10 yards of hitting anyone deep.  That's the problem.

Go look at the film @ManuManu just posted. 

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Robby Anderson would have similar stats (maybe worse) than Djax has if he was on the Eagles right now.  

Wentz has never been "great" at deep balls but this year he can't come within 5-10 yards of hitting anyone deep.  That's the problem.

Go look at the film @ManuManu just posted. 

yup clearly Anderson would just suck here  or maybe a quarterback actually having confidence in his WRs might actually help. Legitimately how many wide receivers do you think Carson Wentz has confidence in right now? I would say probably desean and Jalen reagor. Otherwise I don’t think he has confidence in any of those wide receivers. Because they haven’t proved anything in the NFL except every time they are out there something bad happens. Here’s an idea maybe because Carson Wentz thinks Jjaw sucks he has no confidence in throwing it to him Unless he thinks he’s completely wide open. And even when he was completely wide-open he still didn’t run a great route.

Again I didn’t say the wide receivers were strictly the reason? Nope. A narrative you seemed to make up. I said they weren’t a very good unit and trying to rely on rookies, JJAW, desean and ward was a stupid plan. And it still is a stupid plan. Asking three rookies to play significant contributions along with trying to keep DeSean Jackson healthy was a bad plan. And somehow thinking that Goodwin was a veteran savior even if he played was a dumb plan  

But to say that that wide receiver in corps is not a bottom five unit is laughable. Both Carson Wentz playing like crap and this unit being one of the worst in the NFL both can be true. However that concept goes straight over your head. 

21 minutes ago, metal said:

one solo tackle, two assisted

that's it

played 48% of the snaps btw

And no bonehead penalties.

9 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Robby Anderson would likely have similar stats as Djax if he was on the Eagles right now.  (Probably worse because DJax is still a better overall WR than Anderson).

Wentz has never been "great" at deep balls but this year he can't come within 5-10 yards of hitting anyone deep.  That's the problem.

Go look at the film @ManuManu just posted. 

At this point in their careers, Robby Anderson is better than DJAX and it’s not even close. There’s a reason why Tampa traded DJAX to us for a 7th round pick. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

yup clearly Anderson would just suck here  or maybe a quarterback actually having confidence in his WRs might actually help. Here’s an idea maybe because Carson Wentz thinks Jjaw sucks he has no confidence in throwing it to him Unless he thinks he’s completely wide open. And even when he was completely wide-open he still didn’t run a great route.

Again I didn’t say the wide receivers were strictly the reason. A narrative you seemed to make up. I said they weren’t a very good unit and trying on rookies, JJAW, desean and ward was a stupid plan. And it still is a stupid plan. Asking three rookies to play significant contributions along with trying to keep DeSean Jackson healthy was a stupid plan

But to say that that wide receiver in corps is not a bottom five unit is laughable. Both Carson Wentz playing like crap and this unit being one of the worst in the NFL both can be true. However that concept goes straight over your head. 

Alshon Jeffery is back next week. 

Howie can't control injuries. If you told anyone around the NFL that the Eagles would start DJax, Reagor and Ward (after how Ward played through the home stretch last year) for the first 2-3 games AND then start DJax and Jeffery by week 4....how many people would say that was a "stupid plan"?

 

 

38 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Alshon Jeffery is back next week. 

Howie can't control injuries. If you told anyone around the NFL that the Eagles would start DJax, Reagor and Ward (after how Ward played through the home stretch last year) for the first 2-3 games AND then start DJax and Jeffery by week 4....how many people would say that was a "stupid plan"?

 

 

great alshon is back off a lis franc injury where he might never be the same. Another genius plan of just relying on the guy who’s always injury prone and coming off a major foot injury. Do you even understand how bad of a foot injury that is for a wide receiver? As somebody works in the field of physical therapy that is not good. You can make the excuse well hes not a speed guy so it doesn’t even matter if he loses some speed. Except it would matter if he loses some of the athleticism that allows him to catch contested balls which is his bread and butter. 

yes it still was a stupid plan then and it’s a stupid plan now. Yes your plan of relying on a rookie wide receiver who had no off-season except for training camp because of COVID-19. That means he had nothing really minimal reps with Carson Wentz. Learning on the fly with the playbook And how to be a professional WR like running precise route. Which has been a problem for some of these young rookie wide receivers in the NFL not just the Eagles. Ward who can only get on the field when they’re not in 12 personnel which they’ve been in 12 Personal 70% of the time. And DeSean Jackson who we can’t even play the full game because we have to hope to not injure him. Yeah it’s still a bad plan.

And I would suggest going back Reading Sheil’s article about how relying on rookie wide receivers to make a major impact is usually a faulty plan. Because the numbers show you you’re more often than not, not going to get number one or number two production like you expect from the early round picks. For every mclaurin, brown and metcalf there’s been 15-20 that dont. The odds aren’t in your favor 

And the fact that you have to bring up Alshon Jeffery as someone that anyone in the league coming off that type of injury would just rely on is laughable. So I’m supposed to be excited about a guy who hasn’t played football in 10 miles coming off a major injury

14 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

At this point in their careers, Robby Anderson is better than DJAX and it’s not even close. There’s a reason why Tampa traded DJAX to us for a 7th round pick. 

The fact that we have to have desean on a snap count and missing portions of games In critical times just to get him through a season tells you a lot a out their great plan at WR. So when desean is on the sideline for 25-30% of the snaps now we are relying on a rookie reagor and JJAW. So one guy we’ve had minimal time with and another who looked awful last year. Seems like a solid plan to go with. And then jump up and down for alshon returning coming off a lis franc injury and expecting him not to have rust or get injured again 

21 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

At this point in their careers, Robby Anderson is better than DJAX and it’s not even close. There’s a reason why Tampa traded DJAX to us for a 7th round pick. 

Other than his great start this season, what has Anderson done better than Jackson at any point in his career? 

DJax has better averages in every category that matters for a WR:

17.4 YPC vs 14.8YPC

67 YPG vs 51 YPG

1st Down catch%: 67% Djax vs 57% Anderson

9.7 Yards per target vs 8.2 yards per target

 

If Anderson keeps his current pace up for the rest of the season, then maybe we can have the conversation that he's "better" than DJax at this point in their careers...but as of now, he's not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Other than his great start this season, what has Anderson done better than Jackson at any point in his career? 

DJax has better averages in every category that matters for a WR:

17.4 YPC vs 14.8YPC

67 YPG vs 51 YPG

1st Down catch%: 67% Djax vs 57% Anderson

9.7 Yards per target vs 8.2 yards per target

 

If Anderson keeps his current pace up for the rest of the season, then maybe we can have the conversation that he's "better" than DJax at this point in their careers...but as of now, he's not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Those stats are inflated by Desean’s early years. Again I’m saying AT THIS POINT in their careers. Are you forgetting that deseans stat line for the entire last year was 9 receptions for 159 yards? He’s a 33 year old player who now needs to be a on snap count to stay healthy. Anderson hasn’t even hit his prime yet. 

4 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

Those stats are inflated by Desean’s early years. Again I’m saying AT THIS POINT in their careers. Are you forgetting that deseans stat line for the entire last year was 9 receptions for 159 yards? He’s a 33 year old player who now needs to be a on snap count to stay healthy. Anderson hasn’t even hit his prime yet. 

It's like I said, if Anderson keeps up his torrid pace and DJax regresses, then maybe we can say Anderson is better than DJax at this point....but that has yet to happen.  Anderson could get hurt next week, then what?  

15 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Other than his great start this season, what has Anderson done better than Jackson at any point in his career? 

DJax has better averages in every category that matters for a WR:

17.4 YPC vs 14.8YPC

67 YPG vs 51 YPG

1st Down catch%: 67% Djax vs 57% Anderson

9.7 Yards per target vs 8.2 yards per target

 

If Anderson keeps his current pace up for the rest of the season, then maybe we can have the conversation that he's "better" than DJax at this point in their careers...but as of now, he's not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or maybe Robby Anderson for the first time in his career actually has a good head coach and an average QB (i don’t like bridgewater but he’s better than darnold has shown most of his career so far). Meanwhile desean can’t stay healthy for 16 games in a year anymore. And the stats with Anderson playing with a worse QB than Winston somehow had more production than desean since his second year in the league in 2017. Yes some of that is because desean got hurt. That’s part of the evaluation with the desean is that he’s not going to play 16 games meanwhile Robbie Anderson’s only missed two games in his entire career.  Anderson is better NOW and more reliable every Sunday To be on the field. If this was 3-5 years ago you have a point. However we are in the year 2020 where DeSean Jackson has to be on snap count because otherwise he’s too brittle make it through the year. That matters. 

 

The positive for JJAW is he can prepare like he is getting targets, rather than being a traffic cone in the game plan.

The bad news is he needs to catch the ball.

And hope Carson can give him an easy catch

33 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

And no bonehead penalties.

He jumped offsides once

24 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

great alshon is back off a lis franc injury where he might never be the same. Another genius plan of just relying on the guy who’s always injury prone and coming off a major foot injury. Do you even understand how bad of a foot injury that is for a wide receiver? As somebody works in the field of physical therapy that is not good. You can make the excuse well hes not a speed guy so it doesn’t even matter if he loses some speed. Except it would matter if he loses some of the athleticism that allows him to catch contested balls which is his bread and butter. 

yes it still was a stupid plan then and it’s a stupid plan now. Yes your plan of relying on a rookie wide receiver who had no off-season except for training camp because of COVID-19. That means he had nothing really minimal reps with Carson Wentz. Learning on the fly with the playbook And how to be a professional WR like running precise route. Which has been a problem for some of these young rookie wide receivers in the NFL not just the Eagles. Ward who can only get on the field when they’re not in 12 personnel which they’ve been in 12 Personal 70% of the time. And DeSean Jackson who we can’t even play the full game because we have to hope to not injure him. Yeah it’s still a bad plan.

And I would suggest going back Reading Sheil’s article about how relying on rookie wide receivers to make a major impact is usually a faulty plan. Because the numbers show you you’re more often than not, not going to get number one or number two production like you expect from the early round picks. For every mclaurin, brown and metcalf there’s been 15-20 that dont. The odds aren’t in your favor 

And the fact that you have to bring up Alshon Jeffery as someone that anyone in the league coming off that type of injury would just rely on is laughable. 

Right. And when Wentz turns it around it will be because "Wentz is playing great with the worst WR core in the NFL"  Got it.  

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Or maybe Robby Anderson for the first time in his career actually has a good head coach and an average QB (i don’t like bridgewater but he’s better than why darnold has shown most of his career so far)

 

 

Ah right...because Winston is better than Darnold, right?  

Anderson has been playing out of his mind this year but like I said, what would his stats look like with the way Wentz has been playin this year?

13 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

It's like I said, if Anderson keeps up his torrid pace and DJax regresses, then maybe we can say Anderson is better than DJax at this point....but that has yet to happen.  Anderson could get hurt next week, then what?  

Even disregarding 2020. Anderson’s 2018 and 2019 were better than DJAX 2018 and 2019. 

3 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

Even disregarding 2020. Anderson’s 2018 and 2019 were better than DJAX 2018 and 2019. 

DJax was hurt and obviously that's the issue with him and his age, etc. 

9 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Right. And when Wentz turns it around it will be because "Wentz is playing great with the worst WR core in the NFL"  Got it.  

Ah right...because Winston is better than Darnold, right?  

Anderson has been playing out of his mind this year but like I said, what would his stats look like with the way Wentz has been playin this year?

Again making up narratives I see. Got it. No I said last year at the end of the year it was fools gold that he and the eagles were playing as well as they were. They were playing three of the four worst teams in the NFL and that dallas a game we played an average team he had issues with his mechanics it wasn’t great. But yet again narratives you seemingly make up in your head are truly amazing  

Please tell me how I should be so excited that Alshon Jeffery’s coming back when he hasn’t played in 10 months coming off a major foot injury where he might never be the same. Yup that sounds like a great plan there 

I never said Winston was great. However Jameis Winston has had more success in the NFL then Sam Darnold since coming into the league. And it’s not even close. I would also add, the Jets had Adam gase as their head coach who might be the worst head coach I’ve seen in the last decade. So not only did you have bad quarterback play but also their atrocious head coach. The Bucs might’ve had a bad head coach but not nearly as bad as Adam gase has been in two places. 

I don’t know what his stats looks like.  Again not even the argument. The argument is they would’ve been better off at wide receiver right now and going into the year with having Robby Anderson then going with the plan that they had. but if I were a quarterback and I had Robbie Anderson to throw to instead of JJAW I probably have more confidence making my throws and them being caught then having a guy who’s been a bust since day one