Just now, Ace Nova said:

I don't think anyone thought that the Eagles had the "best WR core" in the league coming into the season.  But most thought (and I agree) that they are in a better position at WR than they were at the end of last season.   They went for a "youth movement" at WR and within the next 2 years or so we will see if it was the "right move".  

Again two years is not heading into the 2020 season. You keep bringing up other arguments that we’re not talking about. In two years it might look great but that doesn’t explain 2020 going into the season with that during a pandemic year. 

 had this discussion 2 1/2 weeks ago. I said you might have more talent at wide receiver than you did at the end of last year. Talent does not mean Better. Because to be better, talent has to produce on the field to be better and they were going to have growing pains with the decision they made. For this year to just rely on desean staying healthy, alshon is the same player after a lis franc injury  and that rookies and Jjaw would play significant roles was a mistake imo.  Again i suggest reading Kapadia’s article that touches on why that was not Best thought out plan of action to just rely on being a title contender and going with 1/2 your receiving corps being rookies and JJAW who essentially wasn’t good his rookie year. 

We'll keep tagging me with score prediction and I'll pick them up before the game Sunday. 

I'll update the list and post before the game on Sunday. 

12 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I'd take Anderson over Jackson in a heartbeat right now. I wanted him but not for the money that was getting advertised at the time

This list was just depressing

Never heard of it but I love spicy foods

Did a google search of it and people are recording themselves eating it. You going to show us if you can handle it? lol

Oh I agree if it was going for like $13-$15 million I didn’t want him at that price either. But when his price dropped to what it went to the Eagles should have been all over that because he was a good price. When he continuously sat out there on the market and his price continue to drop, the Eagles should have been in on that. I don’t know if they were or weren’t but based off of what caplan and everyone else discussingg Robby Anderson the Eagles really were never in on it. Just making the assumption we’re gonna go to the draft and solve our problems and just desean is going to stay healthy was not a very good solution Imo. 

And if you really want to be depressed I suggest looking at the linebackers across league compared to the Eagles. That’s even worse in the wide receivers

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m pretty realistic on the board. I’ve been saying for months this team is no better than an 8-8 team and they lacked young talent. I was one of the few people bashing Carson wentz last year before his stretch run saying he needs to be better. And I still go after him this year because he’s played poorly And he’s been as awful as we’ve seen from him in his career. heck i even called their stretch run last year fools gold cause it was 

However if you think that wide receiver Corp is good, show me 5 teams that are worse than them.... I’ll wait cause it really is the jets As a lock and that’s pretty much it. 

heck I’ll do it for you 

New England— maybe

jets— worse

bills- better

dolphins— better

steelers— better

ravens— better

browns— better

bengals— better 

colts— better

jags— better (yeah chark, westbrook and Conley along with shenault are better)

titans— better 

Texans— even losing Hopkins better with cooks and fuller 

chiefs— better

raiders— same as they lost williams otherwise they’d be better

chargers— better

broncos— better before Sutton went down 

dallas— better

redskins— same even if it’s just mclaurin 

giants— better

packers— better 

vikings— better

lions— better

bears— same and they only have Miller and robinson 

bucs— better 

Falcons— better

saints— better

carolina— better

49ers— better when deebo is healthy and sanu acclimated 

Cardinals— better

seahawks— better 

rams— better 

so maybe 4 teams that are worse or as bad of a corps as the eagles. Interesting they spent 3 draft picks and thought Goodwin was going to be a veteran savior when he’s perpetually hurt and sucked for 2 years.

Carson Wentz has obviously been horrific to start this year. However going into a season saying we’re gonna rely on three rookies in a covid offseason and Jjaw Who needed as much help as them to hit the ground running week one was kind of a dumb idea

Wentz does not have even average receivers, aside from Jackson.  However, for all the hype the man gets, he still missed (or didn't even notice) guys when they were wide open.

This year is an outlier though, as he looks pretty bad out there.   I expect him to improve to slightly better than average at some point this season.   A truly "elite" QB would make something out of nothing, even with this team.

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Again two years is not heading into the 2020 season. You keep bringing up other arguments that we’re not talking about. In two years it might look great but that doesn’t explain 2020 going into the season with that during a pandemic year. 

 had this discussion 2 1/2 weeks ago. I said you might have more talent at wide receiver than you did at the end of last year. Talent does not mean Better. Because to be better, talent has to produce on the field to be better and they were going to have growing pains with the decision they made. For this year to just rely on desean staying healthy, alshon is the same player after a lis franc injury  and that rookies and Jjaw would play significant roles was a mistake imo.  Again i suggest reading Kapadia’s article that touches on why that was not Best thought out plan of action to just rely on being a title contender and going with 1/2 your receiving corps being rookies and JJAW who essentially wasn’t good his rookie year. 

I think there's a point when you need to go with what you have and what makes sense.  Signing some high-priced WR (or even Anderson) wasn't realistic.  Not when they just drafted 3 this year and the "jury is still out" on JJAW.

Just now, Mortimer said:

Wentz does not have even average receivers, aside from Jackson.  However, for all the hype the man gets, he still missed (or didn't even notice) guys when they were wide open.

This year is an outlier though, as he looks pretty bad out there.   I expect him to improve to slightly better than average at some point this season.   A truly "elite" QB would make something out of nothing, even with this team.

I don’t disagree with anything you said. My point is the wide receiving corps is still a problem even if we added pieces via the draft. Will that make a difference with Carson Wentz? I don’t know. He’s playing really bad right now. However when i watch around the league, I do know that our receiving corps is not that good and it’s been a problem for now four out of five years.

there’s two problems going on here with the offense. Wentz has to be better because he looked awful. And two this wide receiving corps is still not that good. 

9 minutes ago, Mortimer said:

Wentz does not have even average receivers, aside from Jackson.  However, for all the hype the man gets, he still missed (or didn't even notice) guys when they were wide open.

This year is an outlier though, as he looks pretty bad out there.   I expect him to improve to slightly better than average at some point this season.   A truly "elite" QB would make something out of nothing, even with this team.

This is a sensible post and I agree, for the most part.  (Although I think Jeffery,  Reagor and Ward could be decent this year if Wentz plays up to par).

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7 minutes ago, Mortimer said:

Wentz does not have even average receivers, aside from Jackson.  However, for all the hype the man gets, he still missed (or didn't even notice) guys when they were wide open.

This year is an outlier though, as he looks pretty bad out there.   I expect him to improve to slightly better than average at some point this season.   A truly "elite" QB would make something out of nothing, even with this team.

Agree and if we lose out or close to it im ready for elite 

8 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I think there's a point when you need to go with what you have and what makes sense.  Signing some high-priced WR (or even Anderson) wasn't realistic.  Not when they just drafted 3 this year and the "jury is still out" on JJAW.

Here’s your problem with that last sentence, they hadn’t drafted anybody yet. They went into the draft Making no moves at wide receiver. Think about that. it was the worst unit on this entire football team last year. Desean can’t stay healthy anymore. And alshon was coming off a Lisfranc injury. Add all that into it with a pandemic year were you knew you weren’t going to have an off-season.  And yet the Eagles made not one singular Move at wide receiver until they drafted reagor and then trade for a goodwin who also can’t stay healthy and hasn’t been good since 2016-17. It was a bad plan. 

honestly the wide receiver plan reminds me a lot of Matt klentak with the bullpen. Matt klentak was like oh well just go with the young guys we have who have with little to no MLB experience and some of the old guys who are injury prone are coming back and will be fine. And then it blew up In his face. 

When does Quez Watkins get promoted? I mean he can't look any worse than JJAW or Hightower.

19 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Here’s your problem with that last sentence, they hadn’t drafted anybody yet. They went into the draft Making no moves at wide receiver. Think about that. it was the worst unit on this entire football team last year. Desean can’t stay healthy anymore. And alshon was coming off a Lisfranc injury. Add all that into it with a pandemic year were you knew you weren’t going to have an off-season.  And yet the Eagles made not one singular Move at wide receiver until they drafted reagor and then trade for a goodwin who also can’t stay healthy and hasn’t been good since 2016-17. It was a bad plan. 

I have no idea what happened with Anderson but by all reports he was looking for 12-13 mil per.  

2 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

When does Quez Watkins get promoted? I mean he can't look any worse than JJAW or Hightower.

He is on ir so I think week4 is the earliest.

4 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

When does Quez Watkins get promoted? I mean he can't look any worse than JJAW or Hightower.

I think he becomes available to come off IR next week.  I hope they bring him up. 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Oh I agree if it was going for like $13-$15 million I didn’t want him at that price either. But when his price dropped to what it went to the Eagles should have been all over that because he was a good price. When he continuously sat out there on the market and his price continue to drop, the Eagles should have been in on that. I don’t know if they were or weren’t but based off of what caplan and everyone else discussingg Robby Anderson the Eagles really were never in on it. Just making the assumption we’re gonna go to the draft and solve our problems and just desean is going to stay healthy was not a very good solution Imo. 

And if you really want to be depressed I suggest looking at the linebackers across league compared to the Eagles. That’s even worse in the wide receivers

I'd be prepared for LBs. Schwartz doesn't care about those so I know ours in in the bottom

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I have no idea what happened with Anderson but by all reports he was looking for 12-13 mil per.  So how it ended up being 8 mil, I have no idea.  And who knows...maybe the Eagles offered him that and he declined? We really have no idea what went on behind the scenes.  

Even so their plan was not a very good plan of action especially during a pandemic that threatened the entire offseason To rely significantly on younger WRs as their WR corps along with two veterans who don’t stay healthy anymore 

I went back and edited what i said. But tell me this doesn’t remind you a lot of Matt Klentak with the bullpen. A unit that was terrible last year. klentak made the decision to go after a starter and didi. Meanwhile the bullpen idea was we’re just gonna go with a bunch of young guys who were inexperienced and we have some older guys coming back from injuries and we will be fine. Tell me that does not sound a lot like the eagles plan at wr. Eagles went after slay needed and added hargraves. Didn’t do anything at wr but add young players to the unit via draft and relying on two veterans coming off injuries. 

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I'd be prepared for LBs. Schwartz doesn't care about those so I know ours in in the bottom

I’d have to go look through safety play but I’m guessing it’s also likely bottom 15 unit at the moment. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Even so their plan was not a very good plan of action especially during a pandemic that threatened the entire offseason To rely significantly on younger WRs as their WR corps.

I went back and edited what i said. But tell me this doesn’t remind you a lot of Matt Klentak with the bullpen. A unit that was terrible last year. klentak made the decision to go after a starter and didi. Meanwhile the bullpen idea was we’re just gonna go with a bunch of young guys who were inexperienced and we have some older guys coming back from injuries and we will be fine. Tell me that does not sound a lot like the eagles plan at wr. Eagles went after slay needed and added hargraves. Didn’t do anything at wr but add young players to the unit and relying on two veterans coming off injuries. 

CB was probably as big (if not bigger) of a need as WR.  Slay was a great move and so far, he's played great.

And Anderson is actually getting 10 mil per year.   I'm not sure his stats really supported him making 10 mil per year at the time.  Hindsight is 20/20 and if he continues to play the way he's playing now, it's a no-brainer.  But for a guy that averaged what?  750 yards per season?  Are you giving that guy 10 mil per season?

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Even so their plan was not a very good plan of action especially during a pandemic that threatened the entire offseason To rely significantly on younger WRs as their WR corps along with two veterans who don’t stay healthy anymore 

I went back and edited what i said. But tell me this doesn’t remind you a lot of Matt Klentak with the bullpen. A unit that was terrible last year. klentak made the decision to go after a starter and didi. Meanwhile the bullpen idea was we’re just gonna go with a bunch of young guys who were inexperienced and we have some older guys coming back from injuries and we will be fine. Tell me that does not sound a lot like the eagles plan at wr. Eagles went after slay needed and added hargraves. Didn’t do anything at wr but add young players to the unit via draft and relying on two veterans coming off injuries. 

I’d have to go look through safety play but I’m guessing it’s also likely bottom 15 unit at the moment. 

Our defense against the run isn't good right now. I think our defense against the pass is actually higher than it now

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

CB was probably as big (if not bigger) of a need as WR.  Slay was a great move and so far, he's played great.

And Anderson is actually getting 10 mil per year.   I'm not sure his stats really supported him making 10 mil per year at the time.  Hindsight is 20/20 and if he continues to play the way he's playing now, it's a no-brainer.  But for a guy that averaged what?  750 yards per season?  Are you giving that guy 10 mil per season?

first you’re wrong. He’s making 8 mil against the cap next year with an out for 2021.

I’m giving up more to a guy in desean  Jackson 8.6 but can’t stay healthy and has limited snap count. And out of the two players, Anderson Has had the best season of both of them in the last three years and more productive then desean cause he stays healthy and on the field over the last three years. So yes I’d pay Anderson 8 mil agains the cap in 2020. 

And on top of all that he had Sam Darnold who sucks and Adam gase who might be the worst coach in the last 10 years and yet still being somewhat productive. And I didn’t even mention the Jets have One of the worst offensive lines in the league so him getting deep down the field wasn’t a given

8 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Our defense against the run isn't good right now. I think our defense against the pass is actually higher than it now

Washington stats skew the pass defense cause Haskins didn’t have long fields to go to score. However the eagles still had  some of the same issue they’ve had since 2018. Getting off the field on third down at critical times and 3rd and long. On the go ahead 24-17 drive, Washington converted 3rd and 8 and 3rd and 10. Seemingly the issue they’ve had in games they have lost over the last 2 seasons. 

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14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

first you’re wrong. He’s making 8 mil against the cap next year with an out for 2021.

 

He's making an average of 10 million per season, with 12 million guaranteed

CONTRACT TERMS:2 yr(s) / $20,000,000

SIGNING BONUS$8,000,000

AVERAGE SALARY$10,000,000

GTD AT SIGN:$12,000,000

TOTAL GTD:$12,000,000

FREE AGENT:2022 / UFA

				BONUS BREAKDOWN	CAP DETAILS		CASH DETAILS
YEAR		AGE	BASE SALARY	SIGNING	CAP HIT	DEAD CAP	YEARLY CASH
2020		27	$4,000,000	$4,000,000	$8,000,000	$12,000,000	$12,000,000($12,000,000)
POTENTIAL OUT: 2021, 1 YR, $12,000,000; $4,000,000 DEAD CAP
2021		28	$8,000,000	$4,000,000	$12,000,000	$4,000,000	$8,000,000($20,000,000)
2022		29	UFA

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

He's making an average of 10 million per season, with 12 million guaranteed

CONTRACT TERMS:2 yr(s) / $20,000,000

SIGNING BONUS$8,000,000

AVERAGE SALARY$10,000,000

GTD AT SIGN:$12,000,000

TOTAL GTD:$12,000,000

FREE AGENT:2022 / UFA

				BONUS BREAKDOWN	CAP DETAILS		CASH DETAILS
YEAR		AGE	BASE SALARY	SIGNING	CAP HIT	DEAD CAP	YEARLY CASH
2020		27	$4,000,000	$4,000,000	$8,000,000	$12,000,000	$12,000,000($12,000,000)
POTENTIAL OUT: 2021, 1 YR, $12,000,000; $4,000,000 DEAD CAP
2021		28	$8,000,000	$4,000,000	$12,000,000	$4,000,000	$8,000,000($20,000,000)
2022		29	UFA

Dude his cap hit is $8 million for 2020. Whatever way you want to cut it, his cap number in 2020 is 8 million so you’re still wrong. Furthermore I can release him and get 8 million in Space and 4 in dead money the following year or I could have restructured or extended him to lower his Number. So Again you are still wrong. It’s still 8 mil against the 2020 cap

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Dude his cap hit is $8 million for 2020. Whatever way you want to cut it, his cap number in 2020 is 8 million so you’re still wrong. Furthermore I can release him and get 8 million in Space and 4 in dead money the following year or I could have restructured or extended him to lower his Number. So Again you are still wrong. It’s still 8 mil against her 2020 cap

You have no clue how NFL contracts work, do you?

 

So essentially you're "ok" with signing Anderson for a 1 year deal for 12 Million?  Because that's what he is getting if you cut him next year.  THE EAGLES WERE NEVER GOING TO DO THAT.  

 

18 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

You have no clue how NFL contracts work, do you?

 

So essentially you're "ok" with signing Anderson for a 1 year deal for 12 Million?  Because that's what he is getting if you cut him next year.  THE EAGLES WERE NEVER GOING TO DO THAT.  

 

Yes because I clearly have to cut him. I couldn’t extend him to lower his cap number or things of that nature.  Worst case scenario was if I had to I could do that. I’m guessing the Eagles probably wouldnt done that they probably would have restructured it or given him an extension. Lol. Which you completely ignore And yet again his 2020 cap number is still $8 million regardless  That is not 10 million against the In 2020. Regardless if it’s 10 million per year it’s still not 10 million against cap. Just like desean’s cap number in 2019 was only 2.9 million even those his average annual was more  

And the Eagles wouldnt do that because they gave DeSean Jackson 33 year old wide receiver $15 million in guaranteed money and he can’t stay healthy cause of that has to be on a snap count. Oh you’re right they would never give 12 million guaranteed money for two years To a 27-year-old wide receiver with better production than then deSean over the last three years meanwhile desean’s contract says high and is actually worse contract then Anderson’s contract

 But please tell me how to desean contract next year of $11 million and if cut him is to use only save $5 million is a better contract then Robby Anderson. Who has been the better player out of the two over the last three years including this year So far. So again I much rather be paying Robby Anderson At 28 years old $12 million then DeSean Jackson at 35 at 11 million. If you want to go per season salary desean has 9.75 over the 2020-2021 seasons and Anderson is 10.