5 hours ago, Westbrook#36 said:

 

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Sad question...if the Eagles never win a playoff game or never even score a playoff td with Wentz under center, does Wentz go down as a draft bust?

Sadder question, if yes, has Howie Roseman missed on every first and second round pick he’s ever had?

Maybe in the traditional sense, but he was one of the major reasons we won our first Super Bowl, so I would still say that was worth it.

23 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

And in true Eagles fashion, there will be a player waived who they want but the Bengals win the claim.

Watching the Chiefs Ravens game should be chastening for all in the Eagles org. This is how far you have fallen and how much ground you need to make up.  QB factory doesn't mean diddly if the rest of your roster is old and overpaid.

 

10 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Mahomes has the luxury to miss a guy wide open on an overthrow because he’ll get another opportunity to hit another guy wide open 60 yards down the field three plays later. Wentz doesn’t have that luxury so when he has a miss like the Sanders one on Sunday for a walk-in TD it’s magnified because this offense is so pathetic that they only have one big play opportunity per game or less. 

That is my exact point

I watched Mahomes throw "behind" receivers (what we all would call it if Wentz did it) many times and it didnt matter.  Even if the receiver had to contort his body or stop their momentum to make the catch, they still had 2-3 yards of separation to gather themselves and get upfield.  

I was obviously being tongue in cheek, and Wentz isn't playing well now. But the point is that for probably more than 2 years now, the Eagles offense seems like a power, ball control offense but without the running game.  The margins are razor thin.

The Eagles can do a few things to turn this around, Im chugging some coffee so Im feeling optimistic here, especially given that the NFCE is very bad:

1. Let Carson run more.  This goes against what theyve been trying to do with him, but F it.  Its clearly what he's comfortable doing and it allows the Eagles to move the chains and control the game---that is what Carson Wentz does like an MVP, remember?  Converting 3rd downs?  Executing in the RZ?  It was more about those situations than having a high-flying, pass 45 times a game offense. Let the guy play ball.

2. Be creative, have fun again.  Run stupid formations, run the philly special.  Do something to inject life into the team and put a smile on their faces.  Not Hurts for an RPO, that is old news.  If you want to use the new toy, run a triple option with him or something, why the hell not??  Let Greg Ward throw a pass to Mailata, or hand the ball off to Mailata on the goal line just for the fun of it.

3. Run the ball. Pretty simple.  Get rid of either Clement or Scott. Theyre redundant. Run the ball until the OL is dominating people again

9 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Watching the Chiefs Ravens game should be chastening for all in the Eagles org. This is how far you have fallen and how much ground you need to make up.  QB factory doesn't mean diddly if the rest of your roster is old and overpaid.

 

That Hurts pick still baffles me. (Unless they somehow knew that Carson's concussion was still an issue)

 

7 minutes ago, greend said:

That Hurts pick still baffles me. (Unless they somehow knew that Carson's concussion was still an issue)

The Hurts pick baffles a lot of people.

We were thinking the same about the Wentz concussion

I've finally started hearing other fans on call-in shows asking aloud about the Eagles strength and conditioning program when discussing the epidemic of injuries the past 3-4 seasons.  Josh Hingst has been the team's strength and conditioning coach since 2013.  I really have no idea how this guy keeps his job; the players are not physically ready to start an NFL season, year after year.  I've speculated before that the problem might be that Pederson runs a soft camp and the starters play in no preseason games -- then they're expected to go from 0-100 when the regular season starts.  I still feel like that's a contributing factor, although no teams had a proper training camp and preseason this year.  I hope the Eagles are taking a serious look at this and asking players who have come over from other organizations to compare, because it's a huge issue that obviously has not been fixed.

2 hours ago, greend said:

meh

I thought at first that you typed meth -- because that's what I was thinking.

15 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

That is my exact point

I watched Mahomes throw "behind" receivers (what we all would call it if Wentz did it) many times and it didnt matter.  Even if the receiver had to contort his body or stop their momentum to make the catch, they still had 2-3 yards of separation to gather themselves and get upfield.  

I was obviously being tongue in cheek, and Wentz isn't playing well now. But the point is that for probably more than 2 years now, the Eagles offense seems like a power, ball control offense but without the running game.  The margins are razor thin.

The Eagles can do a few things to turn this around, Im chugging some coffee so Im feeling optimistic here, especially given that the NFCE is very bad:

1. Let Carson run more.  This goes against what theyve been trying to do with him, but F it.  Its clearly what he's comfortable doing and it allows the Eagles to move the chains and control the game---that is what Carson Wentz does like an MVP, remember?  Converting 3rd downs?  Executing in the RZ?  It was more about those situations than having a high-flying, pass 45 times a game offense. Let the guy play ball.

2. Be creative, have fun again.  Run stupid formations, run the philly special.  Do something to inject life into the team and put a smile on their faces.  Not Hurts for an RPO, that is old news.  If you want to use the new toy, run a triple option with him or something, why the hell not??  Let Greg Ward throw a pass to Mailata, or hand the ball off to Mailata on the goal line just for the fun of it.

3. Run the ball. Pretty simple.  Get rid of either Clement or Scott. Theyre redundant. Run the ball until the OL is dominating people again

This is the thing about the game on Saturday.  If they had just stayed committed to the run, they would have won.  

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I've finally started hearing other fans on call-in shows asking aloud about the Eagles strength and conditioning program when discussing the epidemic of injuries the past 3-4 seasons.  Josh Hingst has been the team's strength and conditioning coach since 2013.  I really have no idea how this guy keeps his job; the players are not physically ready to start an NFL season, year after year.  I've speculated before that the problem might be that Pederson runs a soft camp and the starters play in no preseason games -- then they're expected to go from 0-100 when the regular season starts.  I still feel like that's a contributing factor, although no teams had a proper training camp and preseason this year.  I hope the Eagles are taking a serious look at this and asking players who have come over from other organizations to compare, because it's a huge issue that obviously has not been fixed.

I made this point a few weeks ago.  They can go through their team doctors and training staffs all they want but if the team isn't doing strength and conditioning to help their bodies last an NFL season then you have to look at the strength coach.  Why he still has a job is beyond me.  The injuries the Eagles players are getting are all soft tissues strains, pulls and such.  They need to prepare and build those heavily used muscles the right way and whatever Hingst is doing isn't working for the team.

It's sickening to watch the Chiefs highlights then watch the Eagles (highlights)?

Receivers that get seperation and catch balls that aren't accurate

The creativity of the offense.

A defense that looks like they really want to play.

 

2 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

It's sickening to watch the Chiefs highlights then watch the Eagles (highlights)?

Receivers that get seperation and catch balls that aren't accurate

The creativity of the offense.

A defense that looks like they really want to play.

Reagor I think can be one of those. It's wayyyy too early to tell but he looks the part so far. That's sometimes what kills me about the Wentz criticism it seems like people expect every pass to be prefect especially behind this awful offensive line that's a bit much to ask. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

 

Doug will not be giving him ice cream this week!

49 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I have this sick feeling that we keep Doug, he moved on the Hurts, We spend 2-3 years being a 5 win team before it gets blown up

Mean while Wentz goes to a coach that knows how to use him, knows how to get him talent and ends up having a really good / great career. 

 

If Doug goes else where, doesnt scare me one bit. If Wentz goes else where, I want no parts

This was the most likely result when the QB Factory made the decision to draft a QB after signing Wentz to a franchise QB contract.  The position was insane, and while there were several possible outcomes, the most likely was always that you have undermined your franchise QB and somehow, some way, it is going to end up with him being replaced.  It's not something successful teams ever do, or ever have done, and it makes absolutely no sense from a strategic standpoint.  When you have a franchise QB, you go ALL IN to support that player and make them successful.  You are pot committed.  You cannot afford to hedge.  The salary cap and distribution of resources in the NFL make hedging impossible.  However, when you have guys that are too clever by half running your team, real out of the box "aggressive" thinkers that want to out-smart the league, you end up with these kinds of decisions.  

I do agree completely that I see Wentz's issues as likely due to pressing and poor mechanics, and maybe a bit due to a stale offense with too many cooks in the kitchen and a lack of a coordinated approach.  The injuries to the skill players, reliance on older, breaking down players as well as rookies also does not help.  The offensive line injuries do not help.  How much is it Wentz pressing?  How much is it rushing things with less time, trying to do too much, having that "too straight" left leg all the time and sailing passes?  Not setting feet before release and being off target?  I don't know.  I do think the raw talent, desire and ability are all there, we have seen it, and when they move on from Wentz I absolutely see him catching on somewhere else with better coaching and a better franchise.

5 minutes ago, greend said:

That's sometimes what kills me about the Wentz criticism it seems like people expect every pass to be prefect especially behind this awful offensive line that's a bit much to ask. 

It's not the plays where the line does not give him time or he is scrambling for his life.  There have been way too many plays where he has a clean pocket, plenty of time, and wide open receivers and he sails the ball over them by a few yards or throws behind them for either an incompletion or a short gain.  If he hits them where he should, it would be a much longer gain or even a touchdown.

8 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

It's not the plays where the line does not give him time or he is scrambling for his life.  There have been way too many plays where he has a clean pocket, plenty of time, and wide open receivers and he sails the ball over them by a few yards or throws behind them for either an incompletion or a short gain.  If he hits them where he should, it would be a much longer gain or even a touchdown.

sure, he's probably way too excited to have all that happen at once. 

It's probably worth mentioning again that the Eagles offense was down to just Wentz, Kelce, Johnson, Ertz, Sanders out of the lineup that is supposed to be out there.  

Wentz can't hit a receiver on a screen pass 5 yards away. He f'ng sucks.

33 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

It's sickening to watch the Chiefs highlights then watch the Eagles (highlights)?

Receivers that get seperation and catch balls that aren't accurate

The creativity of the offense.

A defense that looks like they really want to play.

They drafted well at WR and aren't paying big bucks to 30+ year old guys with injury histories.

7 minutes ago, xBMTx said:

I'm a child

Yes, yes, you are.

and another one get's added to "the list"

31 minutes ago, John_C said:

This was the most likely result when the QB Factory made the decision to draft a QB after signing Wentz to a franchise QB contract.  The position was insane, and while there were several possible outcomes, the most likely was always that you have undermined your franchise QB and somehow, some way, it is going to end up with him being replaced.  It's not something successful teams ever do, or ever have done, and it makes absolutely no sense from a strategic standpoint.  When you have a franchise QB, you go ALL IN to support that player and make them successful.  You are pot committed.  You cannot afford to hedge.  

I don't agree with this. Wentz has shown to be injury-prone, even when he's lights out. If Wentz is your franchise QB, you MUST have a backup plan. I'd feel the same way if my QB was Cam Newton or Matt Stafford. If your QB is Russell Wilson? Then sure, neglect the position.

Of course, your backup plan doesn't have to be a 2nd round pick. It could have been Cam Newton (this year). It could have been Winston. It could have been Andy Dalton. It could have been a later round QB. (RD4+).Just because you need insurance doesn't mean you have to take out an overly expensive insurance policy.