7 hours ago, wtfcares said:

You literally just acknowledged that the last time there was a meaningful investment in defense was 3 years ago. Yes it didn’t work out. But to say that they’ve invested equally between offense and defense the last 3 years is absurd. It’s been mainly all offense until this year. 

When they invested in Jones, Barnett, Douglas they weren't doing so to get immediate results and production. They were drafting them for the future. That's an investment that at this point should be paying off and yet it isn't. Why? Talent evaluation. 

25 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

When they invested in Jones, Barnett, Douglas they weren't doing so to get immediate results and production. They were drafting them for the future. That's an investment that at this point should be paying off and yet it isn't. Why? Talent evaluation. 

Lmao dude you can also say they invested in defense when they drafted Bunkley 15 years ago. No ones saying they’ve never invested in defense. I’m telling you they haven’t in the last 3 years which is neglecting that side of the ball For 3 years. that is a fact. 

On cue.  The "Anti-Hippie"

AKA Kenny Pow Pow

 

3 hours ago, wtfcares said:

Lmao dude you can also say they invested in defense when they drafted Bunkley 15 years ago. No ones saying they’ve never invested in defense. I’m telling you they haven’t in the last 3 years which is neglecting that side of the ball For 3 years. that is a fact. 

They invested draft picks 2-3 years ago that by now they were hoping and expecting would be good contributors for this defense. I am not sure what part of that you don't understand. If they trade better 3 years ago then corner isn't an issue. DE is in a much much better spot if Barnett had become a legit #1. Not sure you are even reading what I am saying.

7 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Calf last year and shoulder his rookie year. This year wasn’t soft tissue but still broken thumb and ankle. Just find it interesting most people want to put all their eggs in his basket and give him a top contract but he seems constantly on the injury report as well. I hope he doesn’t turn into a Tyler Eifert like TE.

Goedert's injuries push his value (and production) down. He only missed 2 games last year, because even he can't run well he's still a good blocker. This year, he'll miss a few games. The advantage of Goedert in 11 personnel is that if he's banged up he can always help out on DEs and be an outlet receiver. We can't do that with Ertz. #extendGoedert

What it's like to look at the Eagles "message" board when they " incorrectly perceive"  ALL is LOST.

 

Which it is not .... #SUIT UP .... Show me how you recover from a Loss. The Boys and Doug will.

10 hours ago, Original Sin said:

Good news of the day:

When the Eagles win Sunday and the Turds, Gnats, and The Team all lose, Ealges will be 1st place in the NFC East.  Even if the Gnats stumble upon victory still in 1st

 

Not sure what happened there OS, but I didn't mean to put words in your mouth.   Must be too early for me to he posting 

Oh and for the sake of "Keeping your sense of Humor"

Sanctimoniously trying to get Eric Cartman to not think little people are funny goes nowhere. Have at it  " #Champ " .

 

16 hours ago, eagle45 said:

The ability is there.  And the ONLY right decision is to see through his development for the next 2 years, minimum.  You need to be at the top of the draft to sniff a talent like him, so you see it through to completion when you have one.

WITH THAT SAID, I'd be lying if I said he's been good enough or that I expect it to end well.  The odds are officially stacked against him.

I'd actually draw a parallel to Foles.  Foles was incredible in 2013, much like Wentz in 2017.  Foles was incredible in the NFCCG and SB too.  We have since learned and accepted...that's not who Foles can ever be for a full season.  Chip made a mistake punting on Foles just 1 year removed from that 2013 season.  But much like 2017/NFCCG/SB Foles, with every passing week, month, and year, it's becoming increasingly apparent that 2017 Carson just ain't Carson.  Both players get HOT when they are hot, but both are not sustainable at that level due to injuries and inconsistencies.  

That is horse crap, until this year Carson has put this team on his back and literally carried them. Last year especially.

2 minutes ago, greend said:

That is horse crap, until this year Carson has put this team on his back and literally carried them. Last year especially.

They're trying to put you in the position of 24/7 'defending' Carson Wentz.

Just don't take the bait. It'll work itself out on the field. Always does.

8 hours ago, schuy7 said:

I didn't know Nelson Agholor played for the Broncos...

Yes, at least twice a year.

52 minutes ago, greend said:

That is horse crap, until this year Carson has put this team on his back and literally carried them. Last year especially.

Putting the team on your back and playing hero ball with garbage weapons is an entirely different skill set than being a great qb and great passer.

14 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Putting the team on your back and playing hero ball with garbage weapons is an entirely different skill set than being a great qb and great passer.

Really? So explain the difference.

2 minutes ago, greend said:

Really? So explain the difference.

Running around, shedding tacklers, telegraphing lasers to the one viable pass catcher on the team with a DL hanging off you, diving for more yards, throwing for 210 yards and a TD en route to leading the team to a game winning field goal to win 17-14 is practically playing a different position than the guy who sits in a comfortable pocket, scans all reads, and hits open targets for 350 yards and 4TDs en route to scoring 45 points. 

20 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Putting the team on your back and playing hero ball with garbage weapons is an entirely different skill set than being a great qb and great passer.

We've seen him do both

But by all means lets jump off the wagon after 3 games where a ton of variables have worked against him: injuries to starting WRs and OL, very little running game, some bad OL play, some bad coaching, no preseason, very little offseason activities, etc

The guy deserves a chance to work through what is pretty much the first stretch of subpar play in his career, all things considered

Just now, Mike31mt said:

We've seen him do both

But by all means lets jump off the wagon after 3 games where a ton of variables have worked against him: injuries to starting WRs and OL, very little running game, some bad OL play, some bad coaching, no preseason, very little offseason activities, etc

The guy deserves a chance to work through what is pretty much the first stretch of subpar play in his career, all things considered

I agree he deserves a chance to work it out.  It would be ridiculous not to give him that.  
 

At some point, however, everyone must acknowledge that 2017 was 13 games and a long time ago.  He’s done nothing but either get hurt, play admirable hero ball, or play poorly ever since...he has not been a great passer.  

Just now, eagle45 said:

I agree he deserves a chance to work it out.  It would be ridiculous not to give him that.  
 

At some point, however, everyone must acknowledge that 2017 was 13 games and a long time ago.  He’s done nothing but either get hurt, play admirable hero ball, or play poorly ever since...he has not been a great passer.  

Thats not true, he had some bigtime games in that timeframe and youre glossing over them

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

He's done both. In 2017 he was Manning(peyton) pre snap and a little Big Ben post snap. 

Last year he was Aaron Rodgers, running around with his head cut off trying to make plays with scrubs. 

I think in 2017 he looked amazing cause of reich and Defilip, I think last year he won in SPITE of Doug

He has done both and that’s why they need to stick with him.  If 2017 never happened, I’d be all for trading or benching him right now.  But it did happen and that’s what we are trying to get back to.

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Thats not true, he had some bigtime games in that timeframe and youre glossing over them

Games.  Games.  I’m glossing over a game, not a season.

Thats pretty much the mark of an average qb.  Some big time games that keep you wanting for more, despite statistically average passing over time.  
 

His net passing in 2018 and 2019 was nothing special.  

I’m really not the one that needs to be convinced.  I like Wentz and want him to be the QB of this team.  I just want him to be better.  
 

And I don’t like hero ball.  He needs to be a great passer.  In his defense, being a great passer just isn’t an option for him, or anyone else, with the personnel Howie has provided.

But I am not going to encourage or condone bad habits developed while playing said brand of hero ball just because he’s surrounded by crap.

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Games.  Games.  I’m glossing over a game, not a season.

Thats pretty much the mark of an average qb.  Some big time games that keep you wanting for more, despite statistically average passing over time.  
 

His net passing in 2018 and 2019 was nothing special.  

27/7 with a 93 QB rating is average?

Hes set franchise and NFL records in that time, lets get real here

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Games.  Games.  I’m glossing over a game, not a season.

Thats pretty much the mark of an average qb.  Some big time games that keep you wanting for more, despite statistically average passing over time.  
 

His net passing in 2018 and 2019 was nothing special.  

Not making any excuses here but who exactly were our WR those years? The constant revolving udder crap at WR since 2017 is a huge issue. 

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Games.  Games.  I’m glossing over a game, not a season.

Thats pretty much the mark of an average qb.  Some big time games that keep you wanting for more, despite statistically average passing over time.  
 

His net passing in 2018 and 2019 was nothing special.  

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WentCa00.htm

 

Completion percentage was at it's worst in the year you said he played his best. He is a good quarterback and plays well and leads the team to victories even when he has a sub par surrounding cast. But leave it to Eagle's fans to twist themselves in knots trying to say that he's been a bad or average quarterback. 3 very bad games this year are concerning but let's not act like he's sucked since 2017. That is false.

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

27/7 with a 93 QB rating is average?

Hes set franchise and NFL records in that time, lets get real here

Yes, literally, statistically average.