Just now, Mike030270 said:

Wentz is injured?

not that i know

That's not a TD

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Wentz is injured?

How could he not be? He was sacked 8 times. He held on to the ball too long several times.  Doug called slow developing play action calls when the OL couldn't sustain blocks.  All of that is a recipe for the blue tent.

17 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Everyone should take a deep breath. It was the first game. If things do not improve next week, then we can worry.

You must be new here.

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Another thing I had been saying all off-season.  The Redskins have some ridiculous talent on defense, not just d-line.  Rivera and Del Rio are going to get the best out of them.  Kerrigan has always been a pain to deal with even with bad coaching.  

Washington had some starters out in the secondary.  Too bad we couldnt have enough time to take advantage of that today.

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Not by this current front office iteration. Kelce was Reid. Lane was Chip/Howie. We can give Howie some credit for that I guess, but it was at least partially Chip's call. Brooks was a FA, Peters was a trade.

Chip was all in on Jordan. Thankfully Miami saved us. 

46 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

JJAW is a wasted roster spot at this point 

At this point, a complete  and total bust in a draft that had so many nice receivers.... So many young receivers in this league that came in the last three years and we have none of them. That is on our GM. Not Douglas, not Weidl, not Doug, not Wentz. Howie! Open your eyes Jeff.  I’m not including this years crop, yet. Still holding out hope for Reagor. Had a nice little day but still think they need dominating outside receivers. Something Howie failed to bring in here. 

Tank for Lawrence, F it

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

Chip was all in on Jordan. Thankfully Miami saved us. 

True, but this cap is in much worse shape now from when Chip was here. And Chip drafted a legit LB in his first year. Something Howie has never done. Just sayin

1 minute ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Tank for Lawrence, F it

If they start off 0-3 or 1-4 I’ll be all aboard this bandwagon.

Alright, well, a week 1 stinker is no reason to drastically change course.  Keep at it.  But here are several more subtle changes that I would make, effective immediately.

1.  Regardless of Miles Sanders' availability, Boston Scott is a 3rd down back only.  As a situational back, he is an elusive, effective chess piece.  As a 3 down feature back, he is going be worn down, banged up, and ineffective, as we saw today.  Do what you need to do to make a roster move for Miles Sanders insurance, but don't put Scott in a 3-down role when Sanders is not available.  

2.  Pull Reagor off PR duty.  I said it before this game.  No, this is not because he botched one or for the sake of ST.  We need him to be the #1 WR on this team, a complete WR who runs all the routes, right now.  Clearly, his underneath routes still need work.  As a PR, he looks uncomfortable and uneasy.  He needs to grow up fast as a WR, so, please, remove the extra "course work" and let him focus on advancing as quickly as possible at WR.  The PR duties clearly are not helping his comfort level.

3.  Remain committed to getting Hightower involved on offense.  This can't be one of those "oh, the rookie had a bad game, go back to the bench and we'll see how you're doing in 2 months" situations.  Desean isn't going to be available this year.  JJAW isn't part of the discussion.  That makes Hightower our #3 WR.  He's a rookie 5th round pick.  I don't know if he's going to be able to play NFL quality football this year, or ever.  But they need to do everything they can get his confidence, comfort, and skill set going.  That means continuing to feed him targets.  

4.  This one can be a hollow threat, or a bluff.  I obviously don't want to see this change happen on the field.  But Doug needs to have a private conversation with Wentz.  He needs to tell him that the next time he tries to extend a play, from within the pocket, with DL hanging off him, and he puts the ball on the turf...he's getting yanked.  This is not about a bad game, bad ints, or missed throws.  This is a preventable problem that Wentz has committed on a weekly basis (or more) for at least a year, even when at his best.  I am certain that Doug has already been in Wentz' ear about this.  But he needs to up the urgency, because this needs to stop.  

24 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Everyone should take a deep breath. It was the first game. If things do not improve next week, then we can worry.

I would say that’s true but i thought they were a 8-8 team.  i kind of expected them to go 7-9 or 8-8 and take a step back. Really slay and hargraves were nice addition upgrades but relying on way too many young guys at WR and injury prone wrs. Also questioned the safety position with mills and mcleod  and the linebackers. As well as DE is aging or not great. And oline is massively dropped off from last year with brooks gone and lane injured right now and peters a year old and no dillard to back him up. Wentz i don’t know what he’s going to be with this oline  

I really think people had too high of expectation of the team cause they got hot against crap teams at the end of last year and dak had a bum shoulder week 16. They have a more challenging schedule and i didn’t think with the improvements in coaching for the redskins and add some talent you could just chalk up Both as wins against Them and the giants coaching might still be horrible but they have more talent than last year. Even when we are good it’s a struggle in division games 

2 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Tank for Lawrence, F it

i'm sure the team will draft OT n round 1 around the 12th spot

 

Here is a good question?

Is it possible Doug gave the scripting of the first 15 plays away to one of the other coaches then when he took over is when it turned to crap as well come play calling? Is funny thet they did so well and on point that first 15 plays or so kind of like when Frank was scripting in 2017. 

I guess its something to keep on eye on. We know in all Dougs years when he scripted we had the worst offense in the first halfs. Maybe he flipped it. Scripting plays is basically calling them. If he gave that area away then makes sense that he is not a good play caller plain and simple when someone else was calling it then when he took over after the script he failed. 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, lol. 

Definitely unwise to make grand declarations about the season after week 1 coming off a shortened offseason. However, I do have a few strong opinions.

-- I don't blame Doug at all for going for the jugular in the 2nd/3rd quarters. If Wentz makes better throws, you would've seen at least one bomb to Reagor or Jackson. Both had their guys beat on plays that Wentz just flat out missed.

-- I do blame Doug for not adjusting the running game. Those outside runs with Scott that were stopped for negative yardage were killers. Desperately needed more Clement out of the shotgun. Doug seemed more committed to rolling out the Scangarello play action stuff than maximizing his personnel. And if he was scared of Clement getting hurt, then not signing a true #2 RB was malpractice, especially when they knew the Sanders injury wasn't day-to-day.

-- Eventually, the excuses for Wentz have to stop. He had plenty of excuses this game and they were all reasonable -- a battered OL and 2 of his top 4 WRs were rookies coming off a condensed offseason. But, again, eventually, Carson Wentz needs to be evaluated for what he is, not what he could be. Five years into his career, he's still making the same mistakes. At one point, I counted him holding the ball for 4-5 seconds; that's inexcusable for a veteran QB playing behind out of shape Jason Peters, Nate Herbig, and a rookie 4th round RT against an elite DL. He still throws high, no matter if he's throwing to 6'5" Dallas Goedert or 5'10" Jalen Reagor. His game has very little rhythm or consistency -- he's either Superman (incredible elusiveness in the 1st quarter; TD to Goedert and 55-yarder to Reagor were big-time) or he looks like an FCS quarterback who just so happened to be a smart guy with freak measurables.

-- JJAW with no targets should be disappointing regardless of your expectations. He had a year of work with Wentz, and he got lapped by John Hightower, a guy who made rookie mistakes left and right. If 2020 JJAW is basically a tattooed 2019 JJAW, we gotta be headed toward healthy scratch territory.

Everything about a team will seem 100 times worse when you have a putrid offensive line. That doesn't mean there aren't other issues. There are. The OL needs to be figured out quickly, or this season will get ugly fast as hell.

1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

Here is a good question?

Is it possible Doug gave the scripting of the first 15 plays away to one of the other coaches then when he took over is when it turned to crap as well come play calling? Is funny thet they did so well and on point that first 15 plays or so kind of like when Frank was scripting in 2017. 

I guess its something to keep on eye on. We know in all Dougs years when he scripted we had the worst offense in the first halfs. Maybe he flipped it. Scripting plays is basically calling them. If he gave that area away then makes sense that he is not a good play caller plain and simple when someone else was calling it then when he took over after the script he failed. 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, lol. 

I'm more suspicious of conditioning. A few of our players cramped up as the game went on and had to get IVs.  Did any Washington players have to leave for IVs? I don't think they did.  But, I'm wondering if some of our players weren't ready for a 4 quarter game, yet Washington got better later in the game.

4 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Everything about a team will seem 100 times worse when you have a putrid offensive line. That doesn't mean there aren't other issues. There are. The OL needs to be figured out quickly, or this season will get ugly fast as hell.

I’m sorry i fully expect this team to be 1-6 or 2-5 with the rams, bengals, @ San Francisco, @ ravens, Steelers on the upcoming schedule. 

6 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Here is a good question?

Is it possible Doug gave the scripting of the first 15 plays away to one of the other coaches then when he took over is when it turned to crap as well come play calling? Is funny thet they did so well and on point that first 15 plays or so kind of like when Frank was scripting in 2017. 

I guess its something to keep on eye on. We know in all Dougs years when he scripted we had the worst offense in the first halfs. Maybe he flipped it. Scripting plays is basically calling them. If he gave that area away then makes sense that he is not a good play caller plain and simple when someone else was calling it then when he took over after the script he failed. 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, lol. 

no washington made adjustments and the eagles didn't

I say the first 4 weeks will be like bigger practices/preseason games for this team.  They still dont know what they have at alot of positions.  If they can get to 2-2 and hopefully gain some confidence and cohesion, especially on the O-line, things can change.

Remember they looked pretty good in the 1st half.  Not like they played a total stinker.  But that 2nd half was ugly, my goodness.

2 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Definitely unwise to make grand declarations about the season after week 1 coming off a shortened offseason. However, I do have a few strong opinions.

-- I don't blame Doug at all for going for the jugular in the 2nd/3rd quarters. If Wentz makes better throws, you would've seen at least one bomb to Reagor or Jackson. Both had their guys beat on plays that Wentz just flat out missed.

-- I do blame Doug for not adjusting the running game. Those outside runs with Scott that were stopped for negative yardage were killers. Desperately needed more Clement out of the shotgun. Doug seemed more committed to rolling out the Scangarello play action stuff than maximizing his personnel. And if he was scared of Clement getting hurt, then not signing a true #2 RB was malpractice, especially when they knew the Sanders injury wasn't day-to-day.

-- Eventually, the excuses for Wentz have to stop. He had plenty of excuses this game and they were all reasonable -- a battered OL and 2 of his top 4 WRs were rookies coming off a condensed offseason. But, again, eventually, Carson Wentz needs to be evaluated for what he is, not what he could be. Five years into his career, he's still making the same mistakes. At one point, I counted him holding the ball for 4-5 seconds; that's inexcusable for a veteran QB playing behind out of shape Jason Peters, Nate Herbig, and a rookie 4th round RT against an elite DL. He still throws high, no matter if he's throwing to 6'5" Dallas Goedert or 5'10" Jalen Reagor. His game has very little rhythm or consistency -- he's either Superman (incredible elusiveness in the 1st quarter; TD to Goedert and 55-yarder to Reagor were big-time) or he looks like an FCS quarterback who just so happened to be a smart guy with freak measurables.

-- JJAW with no targets should be disappointing regardless of your expectations. He has a year of work with Wentz, and he got lapped by John Hightower, a guy who made rookie mistakes left and right. If 2020 JJAW is basically a tattooed 2019 JJAW, we gotta be headed toward healthy scratch territory.

I like a lot of things about Wentz. He has the physical tools. I think he is a good teammate, even though there was that bogus story. He has mobility and size to see over the line of scrimmage.   But, his idol is Brett Favre. Wentz likes the gunslinging, borderline reckless playing style.  Favre was a great QB, but he left a lot of meat on the bone over his career from stupid decisions.  Wentz seems to be of the same mindset and that bothers me. And, he isn't as good as Favre was, not at this point (although he has had some really good stretches at times).  But, holding the ball too long and making unnecessary throws are trademarks of Favre, although Favre didn't take as many sacks as Wentz is taking.  The OL was bad, no question, but I think it's fair to say that 3 of those sacks were from Wentz not getting rid of it because he wants to make the big play.  And, unlike Favre, I think Wentz resists coaching to a certain degree when it comes to mechanics.  I have to believe they've talked to him about shortening his delivery vs. the twisting, longer delivery.  I haven't given up on him. But, I'm actually now considering the possibility that he could eventually not work out for the long term.  But, a lot of today is from poor offensive line depth or misevaluaton of our OL depth and that falls on Howie, Doug and Stoutland.   If Pryor can't see the field in a game like this, then why is he on the team after 3 years?  Then, why are you using a 2nd round draft pick on a QB when the OL is getting old and you were certain to lose Big V?

That made me laugh. 

They need to focus on what went right in the first half and what stalled it.  Put the rest in the rearview mirror.  

That was Reagor deep and Goedert underneath and in the middle of the field.  From a matchup standpoint, I don't know how much Desean and Ertz had contributed on those plays as decoys sucking coverage.  Ward is useful underneath on 3rd down, but people still try to make him into more than what he is.  Any time you show 12 personnel with Ward on the field, you've got highly flawed weapons.  Ward in the slot for 11 personnel works.  As much as I crave speed, I don't know how long you can get away with Reagor/Desean as the WRs in 12 personnel until teams realize that Desean is just a decoy who can't be touched.  That's why Hightower, despite today's bad game, is so critical to the offense this year.  They've got to get him ready to play.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m sorry i fully expect this team to be 1-6 or 2-5 with the rams, bengals, @ San Francisco, @ ravens, Steelers on the upcoming schedule. 

Realistically, I think it will take a few weeks to stabilize our OL.  Aaron Donald is going to wreck the interior of our line next week.  Hopefully, Goff makes a lot of bad decisions, which is possible.  But, I would not be surprised at a slow start record-wise until we get this OL straightened out.  I just don't understand how Howie and Doug could not have been more prepared for the possibility of Dillard not panning out (or in this case getting injured).  Why not initially consider that in Peters initial contract and have Peters working at OT 2 weeks before the start of the season?  Also, was Herbig really the best option at guard or did they misevaluate that?

up 17-0 and you only call 16 rushes the entire game.

The village idiot could have called a better game.