2 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Thats why Im afraid to go back to Kelly Green. If they are going back to the old school Kelly green Im all for it. But they will take some new age Kelly green and modernize it and will look horrendous for us as well. 

I agree with you with this mindset....but then you look at the Chargers....the amazing gorgeous Chargers uniforms.  They can do some things right but I think they would try to get too fancy with redoing the Eagles...even though I'm dying for a uniform makeover.

5 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

They all need to play next week. If they can walk they should play. Barnett might not be everything people want but Sweat hasn’t beaten him out at any point since he’s been here. It was nice to see him get a sack and not look dreadful on snap count.

 

This is true, but if Sweat were the one drafted #13 overall and Barnett were drafted in the 4th round, we'd be saying the opposite.  Sweat would be gifted the starting position, we'd say he hasn't lived up to his draft status, Barnett would make a couple plays as the backup, but we'd say he hasn't done anything to beat anyone out.

5 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

The Rams uniforms are horrendous.

I agree. It's hard to believe that anyone could consider those upgrades when they had one of the better uniforms in the league before.  And a bright yellow stripe going down white pants?  It looks like they peed down the side of their leg.

21 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

Then, why are you using a 2nd round draft pick on a QB when the OL is getting old and you were certain to lose Big V?

There's a little bit of hindsight bias going on regarding the OL. Going into the season, the Eagles were starting 24-year-old Dillard and 26-year-old Seumalo, both locked in for 3 or more years. Brooks and Johnson are 30 but also top-5 at their positions. Kelce is elite, but a retirement risk. Really, the only true need was backup swing tackle-plus (Big V replacement). You could also argue maybe Kelce's future replacement. Driscoll is the Big V replacement; we'll see how he turns out.

 

3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I'm not a film guy, but I bet we'll see that there were several available check downs that Carson refused to throw.

To me, this is an addressable, yet critical, issue for the coaches to fix.  We've seen Rodgers, Ben, etc., manage to play well behind crap at OL.  Check it down or throw it away.

This one bad trait could submarine what still may be a really successful career.

I don't remember seeing many check downs avail at all this game. Skins had some good coverage, almost like they knew what kind of routes Doug likes. 

4 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

TO battle was 3-0. 😞

3-0 with with at least 2-3 more near turnovers from Wentz and about 1-2 near turnover/opportunities from Haskins.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

I somehow blocked out how that last fumble. 

We were also 0-2 on 4th down and 1/2 in the redzone while they were 3/4. We were bad in all aspects of situational football. 

They were actually 3/3 in the RZ when the outcome wasn't sealed.

That is the only real ding I have against the D.  A few more sacks and a turnover would have been nice, though.

WFT only crossed midfield once, on their missed FG.  All five scores started on our side of the 50.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

3-0 with with at least 2-3 more near turnovers from Wentz and about 1-2 near turnover/opportunities from Haskins.

Maddox had a near INT, that was tough given that Logan Thomas was knocking the ball out. We couldn't recover the Sweat fumble that was up for grabs either. 

I see people blaming the defense for not getting key stops, but they gave up less than 250 total yards. You'll take that every week. 

17 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Cause the eagles believe that stout can just magically make Pryor competent when stoutland is a great oline coach doesn’t mean he’s a miracle worker. The hurts pick looks worse and worse if this team has struggled at positions they could’ve addressed at 53

We've put Stoutland on a pedestal 

16 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It will be interesting to see who of Lane/Sanders/Hargrave/Barnett returns next week.  

Barnett's return just improves the depth situation, IMO (but we need that).  There is no upgrade over Sweat there.  If he doesn't suit up, then we've reached the tipping point and it's time for Howie to do everything possible to get out of that outrageous option they picked up.

If Lane can't play, you can hit the panic button for the OL.

With Malik Jackson playing surprisingly well, Hargrave's return is probably less critical.  Although, if this season reaches the point where we want to unload assets, a sell-high opportunity to unload Jackson's contract and recoup a mid/late pick will become appealing if Hargrave gets healthy.  

Sanders...I'm not sure how much he's going to bring to the offense with the current OL situation, but any incremental improvement on the ground will be welcome.  Everyone was banking on a probowl year from him as he steps into a feature role this year; missing the 1st two games of the season is no way to show that he's ready to inherit the Westbrook/McCoy throne.

If Lane doesn't play next week I think we're in trouble for the season because he'll probably be out for weeks. Why the F did he get the surgery so late?

14 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

At that point, you wonder why are those guys even on the team?  And, a luxury pick used for a 3rd string QB who is inactive?  Howie deserves as much heat as anyone else does for today.

Definitely should have used the 2nd rounder on something other than a backup QB

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Kelce had more highlight reel episodes of getting manhandled that the others did...otherwise, as you said, not a whole lot of 1v1 obliterations.  Lots of blown assignments though.

I think Brooks and Kelce were a wonderful fit together...Kelce has always intermittently gotten some heat for being a little light in the seat.  He may be suffering a bit without Brooks over his right shoulder.

Kelce needs decent guards otherwise he doesn't play well. Once we got him that he started looking really good

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I'm not a film guy, but I bet we'll see that there were several available check downs that Carson refused to throw.

To me, this is an addressable, yet critical, issue for the coaches to fix.  We've seen Rodgers, Ben, etc., manage to play well behind crap at OL.  Check it down or throw it away.

This one bad trait could submarine what still may be a really successful career.

He's still looking to extend the play. Just this time he's not running around. That's ok if he had a decent Oline to give him the time but he doesn't

Just now, Saltpeter said:

There's a little bit of hindsight bias going on regarding the OL. Going into the season, the Eagles were starting 24-year-old Dillard and 26-year-old Seumalo, both locked in for 3 or more years. Brooks and Johnson are 30 but also top-5 at their positions. Kelce is elite, but a retirement risk. Really, the only true need was backup swing tackle-plus (Big V replacement). You could also argue maybe Kelce's future replacement. Driscoll is the Big V replacement; we'll see how he turns out.

 

It's an older offensive line and Brooks and Peters have a history of significant injuries.  It's not hindsight at all.  They thought they had more depth than they really did. But, they also don't trust Mialata and at this point why keep him on the roster?  Once Big V left, there should've been a little more comfort with Mialata possibly seeing the field.

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

They were actually 3/3 in the RZ when the outcome wasn't sealed.

That is the only real ding I have against the D.  A few more sacks and a turnover would have been nice, though.

WFT only crossed midfield once, on their missed FG.  All five scores started on our side of the 50.

They were definitely hung out to dry, but the lack of redzone stops were damning.

So why didn't we bring in a bruiser RB? Howard and Sanders were really great compliments 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oh and they are SOFT!!

What are soft?

Rolls?

Boobs?

Blankets?

At least Dallas sucks. 

18 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

From a layman's perspective, I didn't a lot bad pass blocking.  Maybe a handful of losses 1v1.  So from a technique perspective, Stout seems to be doing some good work there.

What I did see were blown assignments and the QB holding on the ball too long.

The former is on Stout and Duce.  The latter is up to Doug to fix. 

Oh i don’t think wentz helped matters holding onto the ball. Definitely hurt them. Also hurting them we called some slow developing deep shots and that hurts a less talented oline against that type of pass rush. Communication isn’t there cause we didn’t have them consistently playing with each other in training camp and we played musical chairs at positions.

 

I don’t think this is stoutland’s fault i think lack of talent Out there along the line. Some of that is we draft/sign guys and keep them even though i don’t think herbig or pryor are that good even for backups. And mailata has raw talent but he’s clearly not ready yet and he might never get there. Only so much stout can do with the talent given. 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Maddox had a near INT, that was tough given that Logan Thomas was knocking the ball out. We couldn't recover the Sweat fumble that was up for grabs either. 

I see people blaming the defense for not getting key stops, but they gave up less than 250 total yards. You'll take that every week. 

I was thinking more from an offense gaffe standpoint.  Haskins put that one up there for an INT to Maddox, but his WR defended it.  And he put that one ball on the ground.  

IIRC, Wentz put one on the ground we recovered, threw 1-2 other INT balls like the one Hawkins did, and then tossed the called back INT which was called back but was basically an OL generated INT.  Didn't Peters give up a Wentz strip sack as well which was fortuitously called back from another DL offsides?  Not to mention Reagor's ST botch.  

The turnovers could have been even worse.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I was thinking more from an offense gaffe standpoint.  Haskins put that one up there for an INT to Maddox, but his WR defended it.  And he put that one ball on the ground.  

IIRC, Wentz put one on the ground we recovered, threw 1-2 other INT balls like the one Hawkins did, and then tossed the called back INT which was called back but was basically an OL generated INT.  Didn't Peters give up a Wentz strip sack as well which was fortuitously called back from another DL offsides?  Not to mention Reagor's ST botch.  

The turnovers could have been even worse.

Peters (to me) looked woefully out of shape. But, he did stay in the entire game. So ... there’s at least that.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Oh i don’t think wentz helped matters holding onto the ball. Definitely hurt them. Also hurting them we called some slow developing deep shots and that hurts a less talented oline against that type of pass rush. Communication isn’t there cause we didn’t have them consistently playing with each other in training camp and we played musical chairs at positions.

 

I don’t think this is stoutland’s fault i think lack of talent Out there along the line. Some of that is we draft/sign guys and keep them even though i don’t think herbig or pryor are that good even for backups. And mailata has raw talent but he’s clearly not ready yet and he might never get there. Only so much stout can do with the talent given. 

Herbig, Pryor, and Mailata probably don't belong on a roster and are PS quality players.

Driscoll may become a stud, may become a bust, and certainly wouldn't make it to the PS as a 4th round pick...but he also isn't nearly ready to be the only rosterable backup on the team.  He looks more like the rookie draft pick that is one of the last guys off the bench.  

Stoutland, Doug, and Howie should have known this was not an acceptable depth situation even before starters began going down.

6 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

What are soft?

Rolls?

Boobs?

Blankets?

Rolls balanced on boobs and wrapped in a blanket! 

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I was thinking more from an offense gaffe standpoint.  Haskins put that one up there for an INT to Maddox, but his WR defended it.  And he put that one ball on the ground.  

IIRC, Wentz put one on the ground we recovered, threw 1-2 other INT balls like the one Hawkins did, and then tossed the called back INT which was called back but was basically an OL generated INT.  Didn't Peters give up a Wentz strip sack as well which was fortuitously called back from another DL offsides?  Not to mention Reagor's ST botch.  

The turnovers could have been even worse.

The Peters play was against Young, who was one of the players offsides, so he had kind of a head start.

I think what you are saying is that as bad as WFT played in the first half, they still held onto the ball.  Whereas, our bad play, however, led to turnovers.

Kinda sucks when that happens.

8 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

So why didn't we bring in a bruiser RB? Howard and Sanders were really great compliments 

I was surprised they didn't sign one. Doug has always had one whether it was Mathews, Blount, or Howard throughout his tenure year. I like Scott, but I think he really overachieved last year. He would have been a great 3. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Herbig, Pryor, and Mailata probably don't belong on a roster and are PS quality players.

Driscoll may become a stud, may become a bust, and certainly wouldn't make it to the PS as a 4th round pick...but he also isn't nearly ready to be the only rosterable backup on the team.  He looks more like the rookie draft pick that is one of the last guys off the bench.  

Stoutland, Doug, and Howie should have known this was not an acceptable depth situation even before starters began going down.

Driscoll looked fine. Herbig though, yikes. I don't understand playing him over Matt Pryor. Pryor can at least run-block! That movement could have taken some pressure off Wentz.

Mailata seemed uneven, but I'm not how much it was Herbig.

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

We've put Stoutland on a pedestal 

If Lane doesn't play next week I think we're in trouble for the season because he'll probably be out for weeks. Why the F did he get the surgery so late?

Definitely should have used the 2nd rounder on something other than a backup QB

Kelce needs decent guards otherwise he doesn't play well. Once we got him that he started looking really good

He's still looking to extend the play. Just this time he's not running around. That's ok if he had a decent Oline to give him the time but he doesn't

We do but if we give him imo talented guys with upside he can get production out of them. I think vaitai has talent. I don’t think herbig or pryor are close to what you could get out of vaitai. Frankly i think Driscoll with time will be fine. 

they are In trouble now. Got rams, bengals, at San Fran, at Pittsburgh and ravens next 5 weeks. I’m doubting more than two of those games they are favored even if lane is out. 

was obvious when they took hurts. They didn’t have the stack roster to make a luxury pick like that. Add on boast themselves as QB factory. This isn’t a Lito or trotter situation. With Lito And Sheldon, they had the luxury of going best player available as it was a stacked roster a super bowl roster Besides WR. With trotter he was a third rounder and our starting linebacker was a underwhelming James Willis and William Thomas was closer to being finished here. 

needs to realize he doesn’t have the oline to extend plays like the last couple years even when peters went out. Not sure you can get that out of him right now 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Driscoll looked fine. Herbig though, yikes. I don't understand playing him over Matt Pryor. Pryor can at least run-block! That movement could have taken some pressure off Wentz.

Mailata seemed uneven, but I'm not how much it was Herbig.

They will spin that as wanting to have Pryor available to hop in at LT without shuffling the entire OL.

How the F did Pryor go from Starter to vansihed?