1 hour ago, greendestiny27 said:

I think he looked good on one reception really. I don’t have a good vibe about Reagor being a number one WR. A gadget slot guy to make a play here and there, yeah. But we need much more than that, especially out of round frikn one. 

What are you talking about?

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That play should have been a pass anyway... Catch them stacking the line and get a good chunk or even another first down.  No matter what happened on that play... completion, incompletion, in bounds, out of bounds... the clock was going to stop for the 2 minute warning.   A pass play would have taken a little more time off the clock, even if Wentz just heaved the ball as far as he could out the back of the end zone, rather than running a dive right into the stacked LOS.

That’s fine And i got you on that. I’m guessing. Doug didn’t want to risk his oline breaking down and wentz gets sacked and a possible strip sack. That would be my only thinking of why he didn’t But again that’s similar to why did they take sanders off the field. 

I’m much more willing to pass the ball with sanders going out then with clement. If you are going to throw there then get your best pass catching back (maybe even weapon) out there. I’m for throwing it. If you even just get 4-5 yards it makes for a manageable 2nd and 3rd down.

 If we were at least decent on screens I’d have called that as we hadn’t called one all game

Just now, ManuManu said:

We are among the league leaders in RPOs. We’ve been putting Wentz on the move outside of the Washington game. 

The Rams game was a good game plan by Doug. Wentz failed. 

Cincinnati was fine, but Wentz’s two awful interceptions torpedoed us. 

Yesterday’s game plan was fine considering what we had (chicken salad out of chicken S), but it wasn’t some great performance by the O. It was a slog. 

He wasn't moved vs LA at all.  We were all talking about it because McVay moved Goff so well.  A little more vs Bengals.   He put it all together last night.  Keep it up.  

The entire season has been a slog.  But, this slog won because Doug wasn't completely predictable with his play calling and did l the things Carson is good at and likes.  Its simple.  Do you ask the people you.manage to.do things they aren't particularly good at and expect them to succeed?  Or, do you ask them to do the things they are good at and know they will succeed?

25 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

It seems like Gym Shorts has been blitzing a bit more this year (not sure where I could find the exact numbers). And the blitzes seem to be effective when he's used them. I hope to see a bit more.

It helps to have a guy like Slay available when matching up man to man to allow for a blitz.

2 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

He wasn't moved vs LA at all.  We were all talking about it because McVay moved Goff so well.  A little more vs Bengals.   He put it all together last night.  Keep it up.  

The entire season has been a slog.  But, this slog won because Doug wasn't completely predictable with his play calling and did l the things Carson is good at and likes.  Its simple.  Do you ask the people you.manage to.do things they aren't particularly good at and expect them to succeed?  Or, do you ask them to do the things they are good at and know they will succeed?

What is Wentz not good at exactly?

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That’s fine And i got you on that. I’m guessing. Doug didn’t want to risk his oline breaking down and wentz gets sacked and a possible strip sack. That would be like if thinking of why he didn’t. But again that’s similar to why did they take sanders off the field. 

I’m much more willing to pass the ball with sanders going out then with clement. If you are going to throw there then get your best pass catching back (maybe even weapon) out there. I’m for throwing it. If you even just get 4-5 yards it makes for a manageable 2nd and 3rd down.

 If we were at least decent on screens I’d have called that as we hadn’t called one all game

Sure... but a quick max protect or even a roll out eliminates that option pretty well.  And the roll out gives Wentz a three way go.  Run if its there, throw if its there, or put the ball DEEP down the sideline to throw it away, because the clock only stops after it hits the ground or lands out of bounds... so take your time... and release the ball at the last possible moment.   That gives them a better chance at a positive play than hitting the stacked line, and is a fairly 'safe' play and would take more time than a straight ahead run.

Wentz wasn’t sacked and was hit only three times on 43 drop backs vs. LA, which sat back with two-high safeties. We ran the ball well and the Rams were fine with it. They dared Wentz to beat them and he couldn’t.

It wasn’t a lack of rollouts that hurt us. Wentz was just not good enough.

The roll out, pocket movement thing seems to be a buzzword for fans. Yeah, Wentz is good at it, but it isn’t necessary for him to play well. It’s not some magic elixir. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

What is Wentz not good at exactly?

Standing in the pocket, going through his progressions then throwing on time.  Not his strength.  And up until yesterday you simply can't argue that Doug called that type of offense relentlessly this season.

20 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The defense hasn't been the problem, outside of the Rams game.  In the Rams game, they got schooled.

Also People forget who we played in the other 3 games as well. Skins, Bengals and 49ers with a 3rd string QB. Its a bit early to be looking at defensive and offensive rankings during a season that no team had a preseason/meaningful camps. Rankings is more of a conversation come 3/4 to the end of the season. They addressed this yesterday on NFL network that a lot of teams defenses are struggling due to the short offseason and offenses are scoring high. By end of season you have a better view of the real overall picture. 

2 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

Standing in the pocket, going through his progressions then throwing on time.  Not his strength.  And up until yesterday you simply can't argue that Doug called that type of offense relentlessly this season.

If Wentz can’t do what you’re describing then he isn’t much of a franchise QB. 

Fortunately I think you’re wrong. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Sure... but a quick max protect or even a roll out eliminates that option pretty well.  And the roll out gives Wentz a three way go.  Run if its there, throw if its there, or put the ball DEEP down the sideline to throw it away, because the clock only stops after it hits the ground or lands out of bounds... so take your time... and release the ball at the last possible moment.   That gives them a better chance at a positive play than hitting the stacked line, and is a fairly 'safe' play and would take more time than a straight ahead run.

I’m with you  It was similar to in the SB before the two minute warning situation. Frankly i think the eagles butchered that entire series. From what you are talking about to not having sanders out there. To me i thought that was Doug’s biggest mistakes of the game was that final possession. He played it ultra conservative meanwhile earlier in the game he’s aggressive going for 2. 

Frankly i thought the eagles were fortunate the niners didn’t just kick the ball out of the end zone on the kickoff. If they do and The eagles offense does that then you might have lost that game. I’m not familiar with the niners kicker but I’m guessing he has the leg to do it. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Wentz wasn’t sacked and was hit only three times on 43 drop backs vs. LA, which sat back with two-high safeties. We ran the ball well and the Rams were fine with it. They dared Wentz to beat them and he couldn’t.

It wasn’t a lack of rollouts that hurt us. Wentz was just not good enough.

The roll out, pocket movement thing seems to be a buzzword for fans. Yeah, Wentz is good at it, but it isn’t necessary for him to play well. It’s not some magic elixir. 

Last season: outside the pocket: 71% accuracy, 9 TDs, zero INTs

49 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

They brought Killian across multiple times and snapped just before he got to the guard.  I thought for sure he would get the ball once. However, since he was a decoy each time it does set it up down the road for this season to actually hand it off to him.

Someone with a clue about play-calling. 

52 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

They brought Killian across multiple times and snapped just before he got to the guard.  I thought for sure he would get the ball once. However, since he was a decoy each time it does set it up down the road for this season to actually hand it off to him.

He did get a touch on that motion and lost about 10 yards on the play. Pretty sure he had a catch as well for almost no yards. 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Wentz wasn’t sacked and was hit only three times on 43 drop backs vs. LA, which sat back with two-high safeties. We ran the ball well and the Rams were fine with it. They dared Wentz to beat them and he couldn’t.

It wasn’t a lack of rollouts that hurt us. Wentz was just not good enough.

The roll out, pocket movement thing seems to be a buzzword for fans. Yeah, Wentz is good at it, but it isn’t necessary for him to play well. It’s not some magic elixir. 

Wentz is also one of the most accurate passers when on the move, and him being on the move puts pressure on defenses differently.   I don't know that its a magic elixir, but its a way to get him using his legs and I think when he's using his legs, he's at his most effective.   He''s a football player more than a QB.   He needs to 'get dirty' a little bit to play at his highest level, at least, that's how I see it.

3 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

Last season: outside the pocket: 71% accuracy, 9 TDs, zero INTs

Yes, he’s good outside the pocket. I’m not arguing that. But that doesn’t mean he can’t win from the pocket. 

2 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

He did get a touch on that motion and lost about 10 yards on the play. Pretty sure he had a catch as well for almost no yards. 

That was an orbit motion, not straight behind the OL. Very different.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Wentz is also one of the most accurate passers when on the move, and him being on the move puts pressure on defenses differently.   I don't know that its a magic elixir, but its a way to get him using his legs and I think when he's using his legs, he's at his most effective.   He''s a football player more than a QB.   He needs to 'get dirty' a little bit to play at his highest level, at least, that's how I see it.

We’ve seen plenty of good games from him without designed rollouts. I think it’s lazy for people to see a bad game and be like, welp, gotta roll him out more. 

26 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The defense hasn't been the problem, outside of the Rams game.  In the Rams game, they got schooled.

My only two issues with the defense besides the linebackers which i think we all can agree is probably the weakest part of this team is their red zone defense and making stops at critical moments in games on 3rd down. The red zone they have given up 11 tds in 16 trips. One trip Washington Gave them a stop up 10 with under a minute. That had to be better. To their credit better last night as mcleod got a pick.

Other area is 3rd down and long in critical moments. It was a 3rd and 8 from the 38. We could have gotten either a long fg attempt or even a punt if we get the stop. Aiyuk goes for 38 yards and a touchdown. Same thing happened last week on 3rd and 15 and Bernard gets 42. 3rd and 8 and 3rd and 9 against Washington on the game winning td drive they couldn’t get off the field. Rams got 28 yards by Henderson on 3rd and 9 to set up a touchdown. This has been an issue in the past. Still seems to be an answer. We really need to be better in this area. 

We waived Killins today. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

And Clement and Scott have played like crap in all four games. I still want my best player on the field at the most important time. Not a guy who has 3.3 yards per carry and not a guy who has 2.7 yards per carry on the season which kd still on the season worse than what Sanders did last night at 3.5. Scott had to carry 0.5 yards a carry last night. Clement had 1.5 yards per carry. Both were worse than sanders. 

the hoops and defending of taking your best offensive weapon at the moment off the field is ridiculous. Especially for two guys who have been worse so far in that game and two of the most unproductive backs in the league with more than 10 carries. 

I didnt see much difference between Scott and Sanders last night

It doesn't matter who was better last year, last night is all that matters and Sanders was slow and indecisive, I assume he's still hurt.  So I dont think I can kill Doug for that, I dont believe it hurt the team last night

5 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

He did get a touch on that motion and lost about 10 yards on the play. Pretty sure he had a catch as well for almost no yards. 

Yea, his advertised speed did not translate to the game at all last night.  Not sure if it was play design, execution or just an overrated small player but I was underwhelmed with him last night.

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

If Wentz can’t do what you’re describing then he isn’t much of a franchise QB. 

He was good enough doing those things to get the Eagles home field advantage in 2017, and was good enough to be considered the MVP, and good enough that WRs around the league were clamoring to play with him, but then Doug took over the offense and since then....

Carson has his faults, but if the game is called to accentuate what he does best he is MVP quality.  And it shouldn't go unnoticed that after calling a game that suits Wentz, when they needed a dime dropped from.the pocket on 2nd and 18 with 6 minures left  to a practice squad WR to take the lead, he was money.  Confidence breeds Confidence.

Just now, ManuManu said:

We’ve seen plenty of good games from him without designed rollouts. I think it’s lazy for people to see a bad game and be like, welp, gotta roll him out more. 

I'm not making that argument at all.  I'm saying that it is a way to get him going though, similar to going tempo, or RPOs where he has the option to keep it and run.  I think he plays his best when his heart rate is up and he's been running and getting hit a little bit.  He's not Dan Marino, Warren Moon or Kurt Warner.  He's much more John Elway (early in his career), Brett Farve or Big Ben (early in his career).  I think having him be 'in the game' is a way to help get him going when he's not clicking.

28 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That play should have been a pass anyway... Catch them stacking the line and get a good chunk or even another first down.  No matter what happened on that play... completion, incompletion, in bounds, out of bounds... the clock was going to stop for the 2 minute warning.   A pass play would have taken a little more time off the clock, even if Wentz just heaved the ball as far as he could out the back of the end zone, rather than running a dive right into the stacked LOS.

They had nine guys on the line. If you don't throw super quick you're going to be engulfed.