9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Right, but we went into the year planning for Gerry to start, so I don’t think it’s only that. 

Well that gets to his misplaced trust, or over-reliance on the known over the unknown. He doesnt seem terribly self-aware as to the weaknesses of his own tendencies. he'd have Blaine Bishop out there over Michael Lewis...

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Please don't tell me that Gerry knows what he's doing.

watch Edwards - thats his man

no TE that side - Gerry has the tailback

52 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

well hopefully these young WRs will develop nicely and we can stop leaning so heavily on 12 personnel and get back to more 11

I feel like Ertz is prepping himself for not getting a contract extension here.  He hasnt played well this season

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Please don't tell me that Gerry knows what he's doing.

Maybe that was Edwards’ guy?

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Please don't tell me that Gerry knows what he's doing.

It looked to me that Gerry's responsibility was the halfback. It also seemed that Edwards was responsible for the fullback.

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Please don't tell me that Gerry knows what he's doing.

I thought it was Edwards who attempted some weird flying chip block at Juszczyk and missed completely, freeing him up. Edwards looks like he didn't even consider it could be play action, he just wanted to blow up the FB on what he thought was a run play. I'm no fan of Gerry, but I don' t think this play was on him?

20 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I guess, Jim. 

If it helps, Davion Taylor passed another quiz in front of his teammates!  I kid.  

This is just a horrible defense of Gerry.

8 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Well that gets to his misplaced trust, or over-reliance on the known over the unknown. He doesnt seem terribly self-aware as to the weaknesses of his own tendencies. he'd have Blaine Bishop out there over Michael Lewis...

watch Edwards - thats his man

It's hard to tell but what you're saying makes the most sense. Looks like Gerry was keying on the r.b.

Both Edwards & Gerry are very late to figure out that it's play-action. 

13 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Worked out well when Matt Ryan audible Julio to a  screen when he saw all the DBs back up 10 yards on a 3rd and 2. Julio to the house and a win for the Falcons. 

Worked out well when Atlanta couldn't convert on a redzone pass on 4th down to Julio in January 2018, didn't it? 

47 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I mean, Wentz does miss too many layups, whether we have scrubs or not at WR. 

The term "layup" is annoying

The throw he missed to Greg Ward, that everyone called a "layup," was not a layup.  He had a defender right in his face and if he threw it on target it may have been batted down

This "layup" talk is becoming as annoying as the "mechanics" talk where Wentz is evaluated against perfection rather than real life.   

Again, last night the immortal Mahomes missed a ton of throws and should have had 3 interceptions and a fumble.  But again, he is bailed out by refs, dropped interceptions, a good defense, great skill players, and a great offensive scheme.

Just now, RLC said:

Both Edwards & Gerry are very late to figure out that it's play-action. 

Gerry has to sift through some things and follow the RB, his man. It’s hard to watch the FB and the TB at the same time while simultaneously making sure Edwards didn’t blow his assignment. 

6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I feel like Ertz is prepping himself for not getting a contract extension here.  He hasnt played well this season

oh i definitely feel like he's been mailing it in

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

The term "layup" is annoying

The throw he missed to Greg Ward, that everyone called a "layup," was not a layup.  He had a defender right in his face and if he threw it on target it may have been batted down

This "layup" talk is becoming as annoying as the "mechanics" talk where Wentz is evaluated against perfection rather than real life.   

Again, last night the immortal Mahomes missed a ton of throws and should have had 3 interceptions and a fumble.  But again, he is bailed out by refs, dropped interceptions, a good defense, great skill players, and a great offensive scheme.

Yes, and Sanders should have caught the pass out of the backfield. It was a bit low but it hit him in the hands.

8 minutes ago, RLC said:

Please don't tell me that Gerry knows what he's doing.

That's definitely Edwards guy and a play that looks bad on Gerry. Edwards crashes down and then falls after he realizes he's out of position to cover his guy and can't stop his momentum.  

Are we the only team that have coaches who say things like this?  The continuous walk around of questions, they are going above and beyond to protect players feelings it seems.  If Epps is the starter then say he's the starter and that Wallace will play in packages.  If Wallace is the starter and Epps comes in on packages then say so.  Why can't the Eagles coaches just be freaking straight forward.  

Who's starting the game at safety Jim?   "We don't have staters, we have players that can play multiple roles."  I just made that up but it sure sounds like the crap they spew. 

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

The term "layup" is annoying

The throw he missed to Greg Ward, that everyone called a "layup," was not a layup.  He had a defender right in his face and if he threw it on target it may have been batted down

This "layup" talk is becoming as annoying as the "mechanics" talk where Wentz is evaluated against perfection rather than real life.   

Again, last night the immortal Mahomes missed a ton of throws and should have had 3 interceptions and a fumble.  But again, he is bailed out by refs, dropped interceptions, a good defense, great skill players, and a great offensive scheme.

Mahomes played like crap. I’m sure the Chiefs message board is capable of agreeing with that.

But I’m going to keep using the term layup, because that describes easy and basic throws starting QBs should make. I really don’t care if it bothers you as a Wentz apologist. 

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

The term "layup" is annoying

The throw he missed to Greg Ward, that everyone called a "layup," was not a layup.  He had a defender right in his face and if he threw it on target it may have been batted down

This "layup" talk is becoming as annoying as the "mechanics" talk where Wentz is evaluated against perfection rather than real life.   

Again, last night the immortal Mahomes missed a ton of throws and should have had 3 interceptions and a fumble.  But again, he is bailed out by refs, dropped interceptions, a good defense, great skill players, and a great offensive scheme.

Agree

17 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

There have been quite a few articles as of late discussing Howie missing on draft picks but being able to find "gems".  Here is the latest from Martin Frank.

They are really really stretching to find gems here.   Matt Pryor a gem? Maddox? GERRRY!!! What has Hightower done to be a gem? 

https://www.delawareonline.com/story/sports/nfl/eagles/2020/10/06/eagles-howie-roseman-has-found-these-15-gems-late-nfl-draft-off-waiver-wire/3622951001/

Yeah, but how many of those late round picks are really "Howie's"... As much as he wants to believe he is an expert talent evaluator, Howie is not a scout. Generally a GMs fingerprints are more visible on the early round picks. When it comes to later rounds, they become increasingly reliant on the scouts who advocate for their guy. It's unreasonable to expect Howie (or any GM) to spend a thousand hours analyzing tape from every potential mid-late round prospect, so it is really the scouts who are more responsible for those late round gems. Sure, Howie gets to make the final call, but it is based on the summarized information presented in front of him.

 

Also I agree, some of those names were a stretch. When I think 'gem' I am thinking about guys like Dak, Richard Sherman, Aaron Jones, Kittle, Tyreek Hill, etc. Perhaps those guys are considered "diamonds in the rough" rather than 'gems'.. semantics. Maybe if we re-frame it as late round 'contributors'?

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

Both Edwards & Gerry are very late to figure out that it's play-action. 

as a backer, I can tell you that's a tough read - the motion screams run. if I am Edwards I am expecting the FB to lead on me and I have to maintain outside leverage. its good play design

2 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

Yeah, but how many of those late round picks are really "Howie's"... As much as he wants to believe he is an expert talent evaluator, Howie is not a scout. Generally a GMs fingerprints are more visible on the early round picks. When it comes to later rounds, they become increasingly reliant on the scouts who advocate for their guy. It's unreasonable to expect Howie (or any GM) to spend a thousand hours analyzing tape from every potential mid-late round prospect, so it is really the scouts who are more responsible for those late round gems. Sure, Howie gets to make the final call, but it is based on the summarized information presented in front of him.

 

Also I agree, some of those names were a stretch. When I think 'gem' I am thinking about guys like Dak, Richard Sherman, Aaron Jones, Kittle, Tyreek Hill, etc. Perhaps those guys are considered "diamonds in the rough" rather than 'gems'.. semantics. Maybe if we re-frame it as late round 'contributors'?

The article would be better if Frank was just discussing how this team is made up of late round draft picks and UDFA's who have to contribute.  

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

Both Edwards & Gerry are very late to figure out that it's play-action. 

I hate Nate Gerry as much as or more than anyone, but that was a truly horrible play by Edwards. Gerry was fine.

19 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I feel like Ertz is prepping himself for not getting a contract extension here.  He hasnt played well this season

I think Ertz will be fine.  Teams are focusing on Ertz now because he's the most dangerous offensive receiver the Eagles have (as of now).  Once Jackson, Reagor, Jeffery and Goedert return, teams will be forced to focus on them, among other things and we should see Ertz' numbers improve. 

19 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Worked out well when Atlanta couldn't convert on a redzone pass on 4th down to Julio in January 2018, didn't it? 

I was there like every home game so I remember it well., I remember Julio slipped right in front of me. Im just glad he slipped cause he had position on Mills one on one. 

 

37 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

The term "layup" is annoying

The throw he missed to Greg Ward, that everyone called a "layup," was not a layup.  He had a defender right in his face and if he threw it on target it may have been batted down

This "layup" talk is becoming as annoying as the "mechanics" talk where Wentz is evaluated against perfection rather than real life.   

Again, last night the immortal Mahomes missed a ton of throws and should have had 3 interceptions and a fumble.  But again, he is bailed out by refs, dropped interceptions, a good defense, great skill players, and a great offensive scheme.

There is no lay ups in the NFL. 

In 2019 Russell Wilson had a clear path to a rushing TD, no one in front of him against us and instead while running he tried to throw a 5 to 7 yard pass to a wide open rec in the right corner and over threw him. They had to settle for a FG due to that play. That has to be the play that would be most considered a lay up and the best QB in the NFL missed it.