4 minutes ago, IINorthStar said:

My issue is if we didn't win the SB are we still having this conversation 😂. Besides it being a great night and bringing tears of joy. I still felt it was a blind squirrel scenario. U had certain role players performing at higher levels. Key players at higher levels. Coaching and play calling at an all time high. Imo FO became too confident too fast. U win one SB and start acting like u have the blueprint. Serious question. When is the last time an Eagles team knew what they were, what their good at and stuck to it? 

Well, fortunately they did win the SB and we are having the conversation.  

Doesn't matter if it was a blind squirrel scenario, they, even Howie, earned the heck out of that SB.

If they didn't catch magic after Wentz' injury and had a first round exit, then sure...there would be terminal levels of frustration with the trajectory over the last few years.

1 minute ago, Double said:

Not very confident Doug can continue his winning ways against the Prodigy McVay next Sunday but whatever, I had forgotten just how sweet a Dallas loss tastes. Not a total turd of a Sunday I suppose.

We can still pressure Goff, and are more equipped than we have been in a long time to cover Kupp and Woods. Theres also no threat of Gurley anymore.

We just need the OL to improve a bit. Redskins pass rush is better. But Donald and Floyd can do some damage if our OL doesnt mesh a bit more.

5 minutes ago, IINorthStar said:

My issue is if we didn't win the SB are we still having this conversation 😂. Besides it being a great night and bringing tears of joy. I still felt it was a blind squirrel scenario. U had certain role players performing at higher levels. Key players at higher levels. Coaching and play calling at an all time high. Imo FO became too confident too fast. U win one SB and start acting like u have the blueprint. Serious question. When is the last time an Eagles team knew what they were, what their good at and stuck to it? 

Series of bad signings, restructures and bad drafts are accumulating. You can’t have a 2017 draft only give you gerry and maybe Barnett. And 2019 draft only really have sanders be successful so far. And then no one from 2014-2015 drafts on the roster. At some point it catches up. frankly howie And Douglas deserves a ton of the blame. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Even if Ward out targets them, I wouldn’t see him as anything more than WR3. To me, the ranking has more to do with how a defense chooses to defend you. Defenses are more than happy to let Ward catch six yard passes. 

On every single play, teams will be more aware of Reagor and DJax. 

I don’t really get anything out of Dallas losses on days we embarrass ourselves. 

Well that's a different story.  To me, I see Ward as a PS receiver.  And you are right...if Desean and Reagor are on the field, they will "see them" as the top 2, for sure.

For those who stratify WR1/2/3 based on how many snaps they play or how often they are targeted/used, then I think it is exceptionally unlikely that Ward finishes the season as anything less than WR2.

This season is gonna be harder to watch than last season if this keeps up

Didn't get to watch the game today due to doing someone at work a favour and switching days with them.  Was following on ESPN's Gamecast.  Just wanted to know, if anyone cares to offer their opinion, exactly how bad was our OL today?  I know Driscoll went out and Mailata came in for him.  If anyone here was looking more at our OL play today than who had the ball in their hands I'd be interested in hearing from you and how you think they played as a unit and as individuals.  How much was on them and how much was on Wentz for holding onto the ball too long?  I've been/was reading posts (that damned godaddy snafu that lost post during the game so I'm going of memory as I did check in here now and then when I wasn't getting those 502 or whatever errors) and it sounded like the OL was poor, but Wentz didn't help himself either.  

All of the Washington Football Team's scoring drives were less than 50 yards so we gave them a short field to play catch up and blow past us.  The play calling?  Was it poor?  No adjustments?  Hard to discern all that from a boxscore.  If we didn't adjust to having backups in and that the WFT's D adjusted to what we were doing and we didn't do anything different then that is a huge problem.  That means our coaching staff can't make adjustments as needed.  

Just curious as to what some of you think.  Thanks.

 

On a brighter note, I thought the LB's actually looked quite good today.  Nate Gerry missed one play in coverage, but looked really, really good on several others.  TJ Edwards made some big hits.  No obvious blown tackles.  

With all the positions on this team that have been overdrafted and overpaid, their collective investment of 0 (literally 0) in their top 3 linebackers had an astonishingly good return in week 1.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Well, fortunately they did win the SB and we are having the conversation.  

Doesn't matter if it was a blind squirrel scenario, they, even Howie, earned the heck out of that SB.

If they didn't catch magic after Wentz' injury and had a first round exit, then sure...there would be terminal levels of frustration with the trajectory over the last few years.

It does matter because I was taught that experiencing success is still progress, u still have to correct your weaknesses in the process. Winning the SB in the blind squirrel scenario gave false projections. They needed to look at the team for what it was. 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Well that's a different story.  To me, I see Ward as a PS receiver.  And you are right...if Desean and Reagor are on the field, they will "see them" as the top 2, for sure.

For those who stratify WR1/2/3 based on how many snaps they play or how often they are targeted/used, then I think it is exceptionally unlikely that Ward finishes the season as anything less than WR2.

I would also say we’ll never (except in an emergency) go into a game where we actively are trying to feed Ward the ball or scheme around him as some kind of mismatch. 

Sometimes he’s the hot receiver and sometimes he’s the check out of a run. That happens with the slot, but that doesn’t elevate him on some imaginary pecking order. 

1 minute ago, Green_Guinness said:

Didn't get to watch the game today due to doing someone at work a favour and switching days with them.  Was following on ESPN's Gamecast.  Just wanted to know, if anyone cares to offer their opinion, exactly how bad was our OL today?  I know Driscoll went out and Mailata came in for him.  If anyone here was looking more at our OL play today than who had the ball in their hands I'd be interested in hearing from you and how you think they played as a unit and as individuals.  How much was on them and how much was on Wentz for holding onto the ball too long?  I've been/was reading posts (that damned godaddy snafu that lost post during the game so I'm going of memory as I did check in here now and then when I wasn't getting those 502 or whatever errors) and it sounded like the OL was poor, but Wentz didn't help himself either.  

All of the Washington Football Team's scoring drives were less than 50 yards so we gave them a short field to play catch up and blow past us.  The play calling?  Was it poor?  No adjustments?  Hard to discern all that from a boxscore.  If we didn't adjust to having backups in and that the WFT's D adjusted to what we were doing and we didn't do anything different then that is a huge problem.  That means our coaching staff can't make adjustments as needed.  

Just curious as to what some of you think.  Thanks.

 

How bad was the OL: think Greg Lewis at PR, except 5 positions and every play.

How much was on Wentz: Think of how bad Wentz would need to be given the above OL situation for it to actually not all be on the OL..

I found the lack of adjustments on defense most concerning.  They were crushing a bad offense in the first half and then couldn't get a single red zone stop in the second.  On offense, I don't know how someone was supposed to call a "good play" under the circumstances.  But play call bashing is always a ubiquitous criticism when the offense has a bad day.

 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Series of bad signings, restructures and bad drafts are accumulating. You can’t have a 2017 draft only give you gerry and maybe Barnett. And 2019 draft only really have sanders be successful so far. And then no one from 2014-2015 drafts on the roster. At some point it catches up. frankly howie And Douglas deserves a ton of the blame. 

Frankly, the only defenses for Howie's last 3 offseasons(and in-seasons if you count the Tate and Avery trades which were brutal) are related to the Super Bowl year. Which isn't a defense for him at all. It's just sticking one's head in the sand and living in denial.

There is no defending the overall job he's done the last 3 years. People can't. That doesn't mean every move he's made has been bad, but the overall sum of each year on the whole has been poor.

Just go down the list of good vs bad, he's been horrendous. And every franchise in sports can only take so many blows in terms of mistakes before it's too much to overcome. I'm afraid we've breached that line given their cap situation, they may have to re-invest at OT after trading up to get one, lots of our top level guys are aging and Wentz potentially regressing.

Not good.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

How bad was the OL: think Greg Lewis at PR, except 5 positions and every play.

How much was on Wentz: Think of how bad Wentz would need to be given the above OL situation for it to actually not all be on the OL..

I found the lack of adjustments on defense most concerning.  They were crushing a bad offense in the first half and then couldn't get a single red zone stop in the second.  On offense, I don't know how someone was supposed to call a "good play" under the circumstances.  But play call bashing is always a ubiquitous criticism when the offense has a bad day.

 

Ewwww.  Though the 2nd part is also concerning.

Thanks for the input.  It is appreciated.  So the D didn't adjust to whatever changes the WTF's O did?  Yeah, that's bad, too.  

 

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

if you count the Tate and Avery trades which were brutal

 It was actually comical watching Avery trying to play DE today. At one point I wondered why we were playing a LB at DE, and I only realized it was Avery when he was getting thrown to the ground so violently that I saw his name on the back of his jersey.

17 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Series of bad signings, restructures and bad drafts are accumulating. You can’t have a 2017 draft only give you gerry and maybe Barnett. And 2019 draft only really have sanders be successful so far. And then no one from 2014-2015 drafts on the roster. At some point it catches up. frankly howie And Douglas deserves a ton of the blame. 

Of course but other teams miss on draft picks all the time year after year so that makes it all ok. 

3 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Ewwww.  Though the 2nd part is also concerning.

Thanks for the input.  It is appreciated.  So the D didn't adjust to whatever changes the WTF's O did?  Yeah, that's bad, too.  

 

The D forced a punt every single time WTF started on their own side of the field. No other way around it, this game was lost because of the turnovers and sacks on O. 

1 minute ago, jsb235 said:

 It was actually comical watching Avery trying to play DE today. At one point I wondered why we were playing a LB at DE, and I only realized it was Avery when he was getting thrown to the ground so violently that I saw his name on the back of his jersey.

That was a bad trade.  A DE doesn't need a lot of time to prove himself as a pass rusher.  He hasn't shown anything in half a season after being in the league a few years.  Howie threw away a draft pick for a fastball that plays like a change up.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Frankly, the only defenses for Howie's last 3 offseasons(and in-seasons if you count the Tate and Avery trades which were brutal) are related to the Super Bowl year.

There is no defending the overall job he's done the last 3 years. People can't. That doesn't mean every move he's made has been bad, but the overall sum of each year on the whole has been poor.

Just go down the list of good vs bad, he's been horrendous. And every franchise in sports can only take so many blows in terms of mistakes before it's too much to overcome. I'm afraid we've breached that line given their cap situation, they may have to re-invest at OT after trading up to get one, lots of our top level guys are aging and Wentz potentially regressing.

Not good.

Howie has an outstanding formula for the waves of March UFAs.  He has shown that year in, year out.  He tries to get young, tier 1B FAs at non-market setting prices.  

His post-SB contract extensions have been horrendous.  Perhaps that has been a transient sentimental soft-spot, which is also a tough ask for a GM when every guy you try to extend has a SB ring inflating their resume and asking price.  But he's made the mistake too many times.

He is the Rhys Hoskins of trades.  He came in hot, really hot, and then the bottom fell out.  His band-aid, if still imperfect, trade additions in 2017 made the SB possible.  And everything after that has been a mess.

And that leaves us with the draft...his weakest spot of all.  Wentz was a "team pick."  Howie's biggest contribution to that one was simply getting to #2.  It was nearly everyone else, including Lurie/Doug/Reich/DeFelipo that were involved in vetting the QB.  Not to mention, selecting your franchise QB is, ideally, a once per decade unique decision, something that is quite distinct from running a draft and evaluating talent at other positions.

Howie has been a GM in name going back a decade, has been involved in at least 2 power struggles, has multiple scapegoats left behind in his wake, and has very few drafting feathers in his cap.  At some point, one needs to acknowledge that he just isn't a very good drafting GM and isn't going to be.

8 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Ewwww.  Though the 2nd part is also concerning.

Thanks for the input.  It is appreciated.  So the D didn't adjust to whatever changes the WTF's O did?  Yeah, that's bad, too.  

 

Get answers from others too.  I usually tend to have a minority opinion for most issues around here.

24 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Mike McCarthy is a moron of a coach

Watching him so much in the Chicago market over the years my first reaction to the hiring was that they were going to witness an entirely new variety of head-scratching decisions.

They’re too talented for him to completely derail them but he’ll certainly cost them some games they could have won. I suppose that can be said of many other coaches but he can be a complete boob.

15 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I would also say we’ll never (except in an emergency) go into a game where we actively are trying to feed Ward the ball or scheme around him as some kind of mismatch. 

Sometimes he’s the hot receiver and sometimes he’s the check out of a run. That happens with the slot, but that doesn’t elevate him on some imaginary pecking order. 

That's half the problem...we never have and never will go into a game where we actively try to feed Ward the ball.

But we consistently have and will continue to backpedal in games when the pre-ordained WRs let us down and we end up having to do it.

 

2 minutes ago, Double said:

Watching him so much in the Chicago market over the years my first reaction to the hiring was that they were going to witness an entirely new variety of head-scratching decisions.

They’re too talented for him to completely derail them but he’ll certainly cost them some games they could have won. I suppose that can be said of many other coaches but he can be a complete boob.

Well, they should've known better. Barry Switzer has a SB win on his resume, too.  But, nobody wants him as a HC. Somehow, they rationalized that McCarthy was a genius who needed a change of scenery.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Howie has an outstanding formula for the waves of March UFAs.  He has shown that year in, year out.  He tries to get young, tier 1B FAs at non-market setting prices.  

His post-SB contract extensions have been horrendous.  Perhaps that has been a transient sentimental soft-spot, which is also a tough ask for a GM when every guy you try to extend has a SB ring inflating their resume and asking price.  But he's made the mistake too many times.

He is the Rhys Hoskins of trades.  He came in hot, really hot, and then the bottom fell out.  His band-aid, if still imperfect, trade additions in 2017 made the SB possible.  And everything after that has been a mess.

And that leaves us with the draft...his weakest spot of all.  Wentz was a "team pick."  Howie's biggest contribution to that one was simply getting to #2.  It was nearly everyone else, including Lurie/Doug/Reich/DeFelipo that were involved in vetting the QB.  Not to mention, selecting your franchise QB is, ideally, a once per decade unique decision, something that is quite distinct from running a draft and evaluating talent at other positions.

Howie has been a GM in name going back a decade, has been involved in at least 2 power struggles, has multiple scapegoats left behind in his wake, and has very few drafting feathers in his cap.  At some point, one needs to acknowledge that he just isn't a very good drafting GM and isn't going to be.

Get answers from others too.  I usually tend to have a minority opinion for most issues around here.

Yeah, this team really is living off the free agent signings of 2016 and 2017. Usually you don't win championships that way. But Brooks, Jeffery, Torrey, Long, Blount, McLeod, etc and Schwartz too I count as part of Howie's coups. Ajayi was a trade in-season. Those home run signings/trades helped cover up the bad drafting. Once those free agents regressed(which typically happens in short order in the NFL) it exposed the bad drafting, and Howie hasn't been able to make up for it since with perfect free agent periods.

Now he can't even if he wanted to with the cap situation.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Yeah, this team really is living off the free agent signings of 2016 and 2017. Usually you don't win championships that way. But Brooks, Jeffery, Torrey, Long, Blount, McLeod, etc and Schwartz too I count as part of Howie's coups. Ajayi was a trade in-season. Those home run signings/trades helped cover up the bad drafting. Once those free agents regressed(which typically happens in short order in the NFL) it exposed the bad drafting, and Howie hasn't been able to make up for it since with perfect free agent periods.

Now he can't even if he wanted to with the cap situation.

Sounds great. 

1 hour ago, IINorthStar said:

Ehhh I disagree. Win out or not sometimes teams come together. Honestly I don't believe wentz had anything to do with it. In comparison to foles this team still doesn't seem to have that screaming over the top passion or confidence in what's happening on the field. 

The chemistry feels weird with this team. It only feels like they turn it on and rally when their backs are up against the wall and they are in must-win games like we saw last season where they squeak out 9-10 wins. This doesn't feel like the type of team that can win 12-13 games like a KC or Baltimore based on talent. I can see another scenario where they're sitting at 5-6 later in the season and then make a push to get into the playoffs as a wildcard. Every game feels like a grind and you just don't get that feeling that they are going to absolutely bomb teams like they did in 2017. 

I don't know if that's a Wentz leadership thing, a Doug coaching thing, or a combination of the two. I never really understood the flack that Wentz gets as a leader. He seems like a good dude who probably runs a little hot, but you need that as a franchise QB. But there is something missing where you feel like these guys just aren't willing to run through a wall for him. I think it was the Miami game last year where the offensive linemen were just standing around watching him try to make a play when defenders were draped all over him. 

It's just a weird vibe that I can't really explain. 

Did anyone mention that Darby didn't get his pick even on a day Wentz was serving up turnovers left and right?

This is a great photo that sums up our day.

For those who are wondering what is going on, and why our LG is trying to block their RDE, who is smooshing our RB into the QB, here's what happened. Mailata blocked the DT, and was doing fine until he was tripped by Peters, which is why he is on the ground. Herbig, our RG who looks like he is about to release into the flat, had no one to block. Seumalo was supposed to block Kerrigan, with help from Clement. You can see how that worked out. Kelce was able to direct the other DT, who was probably completely confused about what was going on.

That's the blocking scheme our coaches dialed up on first down trailing by 7.

And for those who don't believe it, Cory Clement is actually in that photo, and it sums up his day in pass protection.