3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I would add third down defense and red zone defense to the list. I’d also add eagles increasing inability to fall for misdirection and trick plays. Last two weeks alone they’ve given up a 58 and 38 yard run. 

I was speaking about Doug specifically. 

2 hours ago, greend said:

He needs to say goodbye

All things considered, I wouldn’t be offended even if he left without saying a thing.  

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

And we actually saw him line up in situations (e.g. tight, wing, backfield, etc) where he might draw a LB or S. 

It's not like Doug is splitting him out wide every play and then shocked when he keeps drawing a corner in coverage.

Yup. He’s not winning in any situation, which is scary. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

I was speaking about Doug specifically. 

Ah. I thought in general. Yeah on doug those Are the only two unless you wanted to get petty and ask why the hell are we running a play action on 4th and 20 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The thing with ertz is feels like his body language on the field just doesn’t look the same. I know that something that’s subjective but when you watch him on the all 22 when it comes out, he just doesn’t look like he’s playing the game like he did in the past years. either trying to stay healthy so he doesn’t miss out on his next contract or he’s just not in to playing for the Eagles based off what’s happening with his contract. He just doesn’t look mentally ready to play football.

As much as I like Zach Ertz, it might be better for the Eagles at the trade deadline to deal him somewhere that will give him his contract (Not likely getting what he thinks). At this point I think that relationship has deteriorated and it’s affecting his play on the field

I've said it before that it really looks like he's doing the same thing Jackson did years ago during a contract year

6 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Did they? I'm not sure about that. He was lined up against Slay for a lot of the game. 

There were 2 DPI's against Slay that shouldn't have happened. Refs screwed us on those

Just now, ManuManu said:

Yup. He’s not winning in any situation, which is scary. 

Personally, I think he's banged up and it's really affecting his play. Between that and the contract stuff, he's not in the right frame of mind and making mental mistakes, ala Agholor. Yes, he's declining too, but I don't think he's falling off a cliff this fast. Something else is up with him.

Just now, ManuManu said:

Yup. He’s not winning in any situation, which is scary. 

I think it’s not so much his athletic ability, I think he just doesn’t wanna be here anymore. I think he’s allowing the contract situation to mess with how he plays on the field. Feels and looks like trying to play to not get hurt which one you do that you tend not to play very well.

Gerry was so pathetic on this play. I don't think there ever has been a play presnap where the Metal Gear Solid alert rang in my head and you just knew impending doom was to follow. 

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Do you think he does so without asking the defensive coaches if they see them as a prospect?  There is a scouting department who told Howie to put Gerry on their draft board in the 5th round.  They obviously also had Riley on their draft board if they picked him up.  The coaches also have to coach these guys up.  There's a lot of blame to go around.

Well, it was an obvious problem before the draft and we spent a second on a developmental QB and a third on a developmental LB.

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

29 points on the road against a top defense with receivers named Fulgham, Ward and Hightower. Four backup OL played a majority of the game.

Doug hit them with a perfectly called/time draw that Sanders housed. He routinely schemed Fulgham open. Ward’s touchdown was a perfect call against that defense/alignment. 

And we’re arguing about Doug’s scheme. 

The only real complaints should he his decision to kick the FG and to not call the TO with Gerry lined up over Claypool. That’s the list. 

I thought this was a very interesting decision, and I agreed with it.  Heinz Field is notoriously difficult to kick a long FG in -- I think the most difficult by the numbers, and there has never been anything longer than a 53-yard FG made -- but Elliott had the leg (and Doug got burned for punting earlier this year).  

If Elliott makes that kick it would have been a huge boost for the team.  Even missing it, the Eagles aren't in terrible shape if the defense keeps PIT out of the end zone.

....... and then along came Gerry.

2 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

Yeah I wanted him bad.   Just so athletic with really good hands.  Was hoping we'd trade back.and take him late first early 2nd.

I liked claypool alot as well. The worry on him was that he was too linear and couldn't drop his hips or run anything other than a go route.

Yesterday he ran a comeback route against slay. He ran posts go routes crossers and was a threat on jet sweeps as a runner.

He was a mismatch from the slot from the outside and was just too much for any eagle defender trying to cover him.

He showed in college he was more than just a one route guy and yesterday I think he showed he's legit and with more experience should just get better.

The last guy to have comparable size speed numbers was megatron 

Now I'm not saying he'll be megatron but he can be that type.

 

Blaming about Howie instead of Jim Schwartz, after this specific game, is crazy.

The Steelers were missing their RG/RT and arguably their best WR (Johnson, depending on how you feel about JuJu). We are routinely getting beat on WR end-arounds. Our DL continue to crash on jet sweeps. The only coverage we're comfortable playing is man-coverage, which is a problem when you decide to play Mills at CB#2.

If Jim Schwartz needs pro bowlers to run his scheme, he needs to be fired.

 

7 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

That's not how it works. You can't just choose who the defense lines up across from your players. You can move them around and try to dictate match-ups in certain cases, but ultimately, the defense decides who gets assigned to your players. It's literally the primary consideration when a DC sits down to start game-planning for the week,

Yes and defenses keep putting corners on ertz when Ertz splits out wide and doug keeps splitting Ertz out wide and Ertz keeps not beating corners.

 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Blaming about Howie instead of Jim Schwartz, after this specific game, is crazy.

The Steelers were missing their RG/RT and arguably their best WR (Johnson, depending on how you feel about JuJu). We are routinely getting beat on WR end-arounds. Our DL continue to crash on jet sweeps. The only coverage we're comfortable playing is man-coverage, which is a problem when you decide to play Mills at CB#2.

If Jim Schwartz needs pro bowlers to run his scheme, he needs to be fired.

There is no "instead" - it's more of "in addition to."

Just now, Utebird said:

Yes and defenses keep putting corners on ertz when Ertz splits out wide and doug keeps splitting Ertz out wide and Ertz keeps not beating corners.

 

Not lately. I can't recall that happening many times at all against PIT.

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

There were 2 DPI's against Slay that shouldn't have happened. Refs screwed us on those

But then the OPI late in the game was very soft. 

2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Well, it was an obvious problem before the draft and we spent a second on a developmental QB and a third on a developmental LB.

That's Schwartz.  If he tells Howie that Gerry, Edwards, and Riley stink then it's a lot more likely you see the Eagles draft Patrick Queen or Kenneth Murray at #21, and draft WR in rounds 2 and 4.  Eagles fans were sold a bill of goods all offseason that these guys at LB would surprise people.  That's why I was one of the only people in here promoting Kenneth Murray as the pick at #21.  The Eagles showed some interest to Patrick Queen pre-draft, but not Murray.

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

Blaming about Howie instead of Jim Schwartz, after this specific game, is crazy.

The Steelers were missing their RG/RT and arguably their best WR (Johnson, depending on how you feel about JuJu). We are routinely getting beat on WR end-arounds. Our DL continue to crash on jet sweeps. The only coverage we're comfortable playing is man-coverage, which is a problem when you decide to play Mills at CB#2.

If Jim Schwartz needs pro bowlers to run his scheme, he needs to be fired.

Also helps that Steelers adjusted to the eagles pass rush in this game. If teams adjust or just have olines capable of shutting down the eagles pass rush we are in a world of trouble. In the back seven only mcleod and slay are guys who i believe are starters. Could make the argument for NRC but i don’t think he’s a high end starter. When your defense has your DL, slay and mcleod along with 5 guys who likely have no business being out there then you are going to have issues and offenses with WRs the Steelers do will exploit it. 

So what are the WRs when DeSean and Reagor get back?

Reagor obviously has to play the most out of all of them being a first rounder. 

So who plays out of the remaining guys? If Fulgham keeps this up, you can’t bench him, right? 

Do you really cut DeSean’s snaps? Despite him being injury prone I think his deep speed is important to open things up in the middle of the field. Can you cut Ward’s snaps?

its gonna be interesting. I think the ideal group for 3 WR sets should be DeSean, Reagor, Fulgham, but that would entail moving Reagor into the slot possibly because Fulgham seems comfortable on the outside.

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I thought this was a very interesting decision, and I agreed with it.  Heinz Field is notoriously difficult to kick a long FG in -- I think the most difficult by the numbers, and there has never been anything longer than a 53-yard FG made -- but Elliott had the leg (and Doug got burned for punting earlier this year).  

If Elliott makes that kick it would have been a huge boost for the team.  Even missing it, the Eagles aren't in terrible shape if the defense keeps PIT out of the end zone.

....... and then along came Gerry.

I don’t think it’s about having the leg, it’s about judging a swirling or crosswind. There’s a reason no one is ever made one that far. 

5 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

There is no "instead" - it's more of "in addition to."

Yep, and this is always the problem when there's speculation of some shared responsibility when it comes to personnel. If Schwartz has as much clout as McLane implied a couple years ago, then he should be gone, no questions asked. If he doesn't, then maybe Roseman shares a lot of the blame too. I can't say for sure which is the truth, so I'd like to see them both sent packing. Howie earned this reputation for being a cap guru, but I've seen little evidence of that lately. We're many years removed from the Chip Kelly disaster so you can't blame Chip for our present day cap-woes. This current situation is all on Howie, but I wouldn't be surprised if he were able to shirk responsibility yet again. 

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I thought this was a very interesting decision, and I agreed with it.  Heinz Field is notoriously difficult to kick a long FG in -- I think the most difficult by the numbers, and there has never been anything longer than a 53-yard FG made -- but Elliott had the leg (and Doug got burned for punting earlier this year).  

If Elliott makes that kick it would have been a huge boost for the team.  Even missing it, the Eagles aren't in terrible shape if the defense keeps PIT out of the end zone.

....... and then along came Gerry.

I liked the decision to go for it. The ball was to the right 🤷‍♂️. He definitely would have made it

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I'm happy for him. He had an amazing day. It was also great to see him attack the ball in the air. He went up to grab it if it was high. Other guys wouldn't have made the effort that Fulgham did

He's going to get thrown to more. Will be interesting if he can have another good game against Ravens

Just now, ManuManu said:

I don’t think it’s about having the leg, it’s about judging a swirling or crosswind. There’s a reason no one is ever made one that far. 

No doubt.  You could see from Elliott's reaction he thought he had it but the cross wind likely pushed it out.

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

If you go back and look at his catches in the past 2 weeks. Some of them are serious legit top Wr type catches. Starting with the TD catch against the 49'rs. Then  there were some really good ones yesterday. There is one where he catches it turns up field and Fitzpatrick tries to hit him down, he bounces off and gains extra yards, another where he climbs the ladder and high points the ball. 

Now maybe against the best CB's of the league he will be exposed, but I love what I see so far, with effort and smarts, and athletic ability. 

The best part is you know Wentz recognized it immediately. They clearly had something going, like Wentz and Ertz did for a while. More so than Ward. Wentz clearly had confidence in his ability. 

 

Bonus point: I dont hate this #13....