2 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

A doctor explains Daks injury. OUCH  This is nasty

the part i did not see live was dak trying to pop his ankle back in place.  seeing it..  eesh.  the thing is, in the same position (hopefully NEVER), i'd try to do the same thing too.

I won’t pretend to know the up and coming assistants who would make a good DC candidate, but looking at coaching staffs that should soon be on the market...

* Matt Patricia and Corey Undlin. Pass. They both stink.

* Gregg Williams. Hell no. Unlikable and bad.

* Romeo Crennell. Nope. Too old  not good enough  

* Todd Wash from Jacksonville. He coached under Carroll in Seattle. 

* Vic Fangio. He would be a home run. 

If the Eagles give up on Wentz you know he’ll be an All-Pro the next place he goes. 
 

Wentz has not been playing well, he’s in his own head. Better coaching/ leadership can help overcome that.
 

It’s so clear the impact Frank Reich had on this offense. 

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

If the Eagles give up on Wentz you know he’ll be an All-Pro the next place he goes. 
 

Wentz has not been playing well, he’s in his own head. Better coaching/ leadership can help overcome that.
 

It’s so clear the impact Frank Reich had on this offense. 

I'm not saying they should give up on Wentz.  After the 2021 season is the time to have that conversation.

I'm just pointing out that the conversation is coming.   

 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t agree (big surprise). You aren’t going to change your scheme for Rasul Douglas, who is a liability in man coverage. Jones was just shot here. He ruined his chances, not the coaches. He needed a fresh start where he wasn’t proven to be weak minded and soft bodied.

Scheme fit matters. Look at all the corners we had here. None of them were similar or had similar strengths. We had zero identity at the position. We could never look at a CB in the draft and say "That’s an Eagle corner.” I blame the guy drafting and trading for the corners for that. 

I individually agree with all your points. Taken together, we're left with the fact that Schwartz doesn't know what he wants at CB (except Slay and Mills, apparently).

Also, completely forgot that he immediately kicked Eric Rowe to the curb.

8 minutes ago, RLC said:

I individually agree with all your points. Taken together, we're left with the fact that Schwartz doesn't know what he wants at CB (except Slay and Mills, apparently).

Also, completely forgot that he immediately kicked Eric Rowe to the curb.

It could be Schwartz doesn’t know what he wants. It could be Howie doesn’t know how to find them. 

Rowe was frustrating because he was a pretty good safety prospect too. He couldn’t play corner here. 

Here's the big picture issue...

The Eagles are unlikely to have a substantial and winning talent infusion for the 2021 season.  They are cap strapped, so Howie can't buy any more band-aids.  Kelce is going to retire and create a new hole.  The young reinforcements:  from our 2019 draft class, the lone jewel, Miles Sanders, is a running back.  He's great, but he's a running back who is already the best player on our offense.  His jump from year 2 to year 3 is not going to be earth shattering.  And they can likely expect zero boost from the rest of the draft class.  The 2020 draft class, per usual, has very cool to ice-cold early results.  Reagor may take a big step, but it's pretty safe to expect very little from the rest of that group in year 2.

So ignore the chicken/egg debate about Wentz being primarily bad or primarily a victim.  He'll work his his way back up to average passer status later this year.  Then next year, he's going to scratch, claw, and stumble through 16 games with mostly the same supporting cast we see now, dragging him down.  Translation: love Wentz, like him, or hate him, the Eagles will not finish 2020 with a good passing offense and they won't enter or conclude 2021 with one either.

So they are going to have to make a decision on either cutting bait or vastly overpaying a then 29 year old Wentz...still with no good production besides memories of 2017...and with no help to properly evaluate him in a non-dysfunctional offense.  

That decision is coming.  And they'll either be cutting bait on a QB who they never gave a chance with these weapons or giving absolute monster money to a QB who they degraded into a sub-par passer and who relies on running around, rolling out, and playing recess ball at 29 years old.  It's lose/lose.

Howie and Doug created this problem.

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Here's the big picture issue...

The Eagles are unlikely to have a substantial and winning talent infusion for the 2021 season.  They are cap strapped, so Howie can't buy any more band-aids.  Kelce is going to retire and create a new hole.  The young reinforcements:  from our 2019 draft class, the lone jewel, Miles Sanders, is a running back.  He's great, but he's a running back who is already the best player on our offense.  His jump from year 2 to year 3 is not going to be earth shattering.  And they can likely expect zero boost from the rest of the draft class.  The 2020 draft class, per usual, has very cool to ice-cold early results.  Reagor may take a big step, but it's pretty safe to expect very little from the rest of that group in year 2.

So ignore the chicken/egg debate about Wentz being primarily bad or primarily a victim.  He'll work his his way back up to average passer status later this year.  Then next year, he's going to scratch, claw, and stumble through 16 games with mostly the same supporting cast we see now, dragging him down.  Translation: love Wentz, like him, or hate him, the Eagles will not finish 2020 with a good passing offense and they won't enter or conclude 2021 with one either.

So they are going to have to make a decision on either cutting bait or vastly overpaying a then 29 year old Wentz...still with no good production besides memories of 2017...and with no help to properly evaluate him in a non-dysfunctional offense.  

That decision is coming.  And they'll either be cutting bait on a QB who they never gave a chance with these weapons or giving absolute monster money to a QB who they degraded into a sub-par passer and who relies on running around, rolling out, and playing recess ball at 29 years old.  It's lose/lose.

Howie and Doug created this problem.

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I think they may need to look into what they can realistically get for Sanders in the offseason. They're going to get to a point with him where his contract comes up and he may be looking for Kamara type money. Do you want to do that and will they be able to? I have zero trust in this front office's ability to draft, but you can find a competent RB in a second day draft pick. Those types of guys are all over the league. This team won 13 games and a Super Bowl with Blount as a starting RB. It's an expendable position You obviously don't want to have to do this, but they put themselves in this situation. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I’m not sure I understand the Quinn love other than he isn’t Schwartz. The Falcons have been a disaster defensively going on three years. 

But people for some reason want their HC and GM in Philly?

I only want their HC as the DC.  Some people are disasters as HC and very good as DC.  Lots of examples, so I won't bother to list them.  Schwartz was one of them... but he's topped out here.  

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

And won 0 playoff games with the team that drafted him...because teams don't stick with QB's who win 0 playoff games for more than 5 years.

And SD replaced him with Philip Rivers.  How did that work out for them playoff win wise? 

12 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And SD replaced him with Philip Rivers.  How did that work out for them playoff win wise? 

100% correct.  But how would it have worked out for SD and Brees had they kept him?

Teams cut bait after a franchise player goes 5 years with no playoff wins and no MVPs.  Not saying the Eagles should do it, shouldn't do it, or that anyone else should or should not have over history.  Just saying that they do.

12 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I only want their HC as the DC.  Some people are disasters as HC and very good as DC.  Lots of examples, so I won't bother to list them.  Schwartz was one of them... but he's topped out here.  

Sure, but even Quinn’s DC experience is minimal. And he didn’t look like a great defensive mind once he didn’t have an all-time great defense gifted to him. 

30 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It could be Schwartz doesn’t know what he wants. It could be Howie doesn’t know how to find them. 

Rowe was frustrating because he was a pretty good safety prospect too. He couldn’t play corner here. 

Who can?  Schwartz would make Mel Blount look average. 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

100% correct.  But how would it have worked out for SD and Brees had they kept him?

Teams cut bait after a franchise player goes 5 years with no playoff wins and no MVPs.  Not saying the Eagles should do it, shouldn't do it, or that anyone else should or should not have over history.  Just saying that they do.

Hard to say... the issue with his winning playoff games in SD might have been more closely linked to the failures of the HC, than the QB.

Brees suffered through Schottenheimer, one of the all-time great regular season coaches/playoff choke artists.  Rivers (early in his career) then suffered through Norv Turner, a great OC, who never made it as a HC, followed by Mike McCoy... similar pattern, though I'd give the nod to Turner as an OC over McCoy.

 

Yes, teams do cut bait on QBs in those situations.  And the Brees situation was one with extenuating circumstances with the shoulder injury.  But, looking back, I wonder if the Chargers' brass would prefer to hold on to Brees, and the draft capital they used on Rivers... and bring in a better HC, if they had it to do all over again.

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Sure, but even Quinn’s DC experience is minimal. And he didn’t look like a great defensive mind once he didn’t have an all-time great defense gifted to him. 

That all-time great defense was also made up of a lot of lower round draft talent as well, not just first round studs.  But, the Eagles have their fair share of 'first round' talents on defense... their issue is that they struggle in identifying the other talent.  

I'm not saying Quinn is the perfect choice... but I think he's a better choice than what we have right now.  I believe change for the sake of change is worthless.  And generally rage against those who 'just want someone fired' without offering a viable alternative that is: 1 - Available, and 2 - Possible.

14 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

Who can?  Schwartz would make Mel Blount look average. 

That’s a ridiculous statement. 

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Hard to say... the issue with his winning playoff games in SD might have been more closely linked to the failures of the HC, than the QB.

Brees suffered through Schottenheimer, one of the all-time great regular season coaches/playoff choke artists.  Rivers (early in his career) then suffered through Norv Turner, a great OC, who never made it as a HC, followed by Mike McCoy... similar pattern, though I'd give the nod to Turner as an OC over McCoy.

 

Yes, teams do cut bait on QBs in those situations.  And the Brees situation was one with extenuating circumstances with the shoulder injury.  But, looking back, I wonder if the Chargers' brass would prefer to hold on to Brees, and the draft capital they used on Rivers... and bring in a better HC, if they had it to do all over again.

QB success isn't even always about the QB sometimes.  Brees may have put up some good efficiency numbers in that conservative LT-based offense in the early years (as he did), but maybe he misses out on those gaudy Saints stats and has no playoff wins to show for it.

Then Phillip Rivers either gets drafted by the Redskins or Browns (see 2004 draft order) and goes down as a complete bust.  And without Payton finding his guy in Brees, maybe this Saints offensive pseudo dynasty never happens.

Or maybe Payton drafts another sneaky mobile quick release average armed QB in Kevin Kolb in 2007 after failing to trade for Brees in 2006 and Kolb wins multiple SBs, several passing titles, and is breathing down Manning and Brady's back to become the NFL's all time TD leader.

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That all-time great defense was also made up of a lot of lower round draft talent as well, not just first round studs.  But, the Eagles have their fair share of 'first round' talents on defense... their issue is that they struggle in identifying the other talent.  

I'm not saying Quinn is the perfect choice... but I think he's a better choice than what we have right now.  I believe change for the sake of change is worthless.  And generally rage against those who 'just want someone fired' without offering a viable alternative that is: 1 - Available, and 2 - Possible.

I’m not sure what you’re getting at with the comments about late-round picks. Carroll and Gus Bradley had that defense developed and set up for Quinn. He rode that to a big promotion two year later. Credit to him for not screwing it up and keeping Seattle at an elite level, but I have no idea how much of that was actually him. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I won’t pretend to know the up and coming assistants who would make a good DC candidate, but looking at coaching staffs that should soon be on the market...

* Matt Patricia and Corey Undlin. Pass. They both stink.

* Gregg Williams. Hell no. Unlikable and bad.

* Romeo Crennell. Nope. Too old  not good enough  

* Todd Wash from Jacksonville. He coached under Carroll in Seattle. 

* Vic Fangio. He would be a home run. 

Kris Richard 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I won’t pretend to know the up and coming assistants who would make a good DC candidate, but looking at coaching staffs that should soon be on the market...

* Matt Patricia and Corey Undlin. Pass. They both stink.

* Gregg Williams. Hell no. Unlikable and bad.

* Romeo Crennell. Nope. Too old  not good enough  

* Todd Wash from Jacksonville. He coached under Carroll in Seattle. 

* Vic Fangio. He would be a home run. 

Don’t see the broncos firing fangio after this year. Year 2 where he lost his starting QB for 3-4 weeks and lost his best defensive player (best player in general) in von Miller. If the broncos continue to lose with lock back i could see it but i still think they wind up winning just enough to keep fangio around. He’s definitely on the hot seat in 2021 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Don’t see the broncos firing fangio after this year. Year 2 where he lost his starting QB for 3-4 weeks and lost his best defensive player (best player in general) in von Miller. If the broncos continue to lose with lock back i could see it but i still think they wind up winning just enough to keep fangio around. He’s definitely on the hot seat in 2021 

Maybe not, but I think it’s a waste of time having an old defensive coach with how that team is constructed. Go get an offensive-minded HC to develop that O. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

Maybe not, but I think it’s a waste of time having an old defensive coach with how that team is constructed. Go get an offensive-minded HC to develop that O. 

I wouldn’t disagree with that. I wouldn’t have hired fangio knowing i was drafting a young QB. Then again i think elway deserves to be fired. It’s been about 5 years since the broncos were any good and his last coaching hire of Joseph wasn’t good. This would be the fourth consecutive year they are below .500 

This weekend of football can go F itself.

Marshon Lattimore makes a tackle Eagles CB’s can only dream of 

Most underrated conversation coming out of the Steelers game -- success of the offense coinciding with a significant decrease in 12-personnel. Burn that 2-TE offense BS to the ground.