1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Edwards probably isn’t a great candidate. He didn’t call defensive plays in Minnesota and mutually parted ways with Zimmer to take a senior assistant position with Dallas. He also was fired after two years as DC in Buffalo where he did call plays. 

 

19 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

5 weeks in a row I put money against the Eagles. 

They always stumble against the Redskins. Steelers were gonna roll, Rams were gonna Roll. I thought they'd beat Cinncy but not cover. and I was SHOCKED that the 9ers didnt win SHOCKED. 

 

With that being said, Ravens are gonna Cover.  Giants are going to win outright. Dallas(regardless of whos QB will win outright and then I'll come back and let you know after the bye week

Isn't there a Steelers message board or are you their only fan that knows how to use the internet? 

27 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Of that list, Leonard seems to be the most highly thought of. He’s a 3-4 guy, right?

He's very much a "multiple" guy. There are 3-4 looks, 4-3 looks, 3-3-5 looks, 5-2 looks, etc. With our DL, we already run a bunch of 5-2. The difference is that our EDGEs never drop in coordination with the LBs so it's often a 5 man rush. Some will argue that our personnel doesn't fit multiple looks, which isn't unfair. If we don't want to be multiple, we definitely have the personnel that fits Marinelli/Richard.

https://www.thedailystampede.com/2019/8/9/20797960/watching-film-controlled-aggression-on-the-badger-front-usf-wisconsin-football-jim-leonhard-miami

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

I think it's weird that fandom is more important than money. Especially how much money it costs to follow/do things associated with the team.  

 

I think you're missing my point. 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Defensive coordinator replacements options (assuming Doug is HC)

- Kris Richard
- Rod Marinelli
- Brent Venables (unlikely to leave)
- Jared Meyo (if they want to go the Pats route)
- George Edwards (DC under Zimmer)
- Marvin Lewis
- DeMeco Ryans (49ers LB coach). IMO, might be a year or two early for DeMeco, but that's coming.

My dream is Jim Leonhard (Wisconsin defensive coordinator). He played in the NFL. He's a top 3 college DC, who understands playing against both traditional offenses (Michigan) and spready teams (Ohio State). He's a future NFL/College HC when he's ready for that jump.

Jim Leonhard is an interesting name.  

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think you're missing my point. 

There is a pretty cool tool available on the board.  I like it, but I know that others like to "Ignore" it.

 

I am going to sound like a negative nancy and like one of those that are only interested in 'winning' the draft or whatever... but I see this season as one that will set the team back a significant amount, much more than it should given that there's a dearth of talent on the roster.   

 

Given the state of the division, this team is now the odds-on favorite to win the division, but at likely as few as 7 wins.  Maybe even 6.  And if they manage to win the division at 6-9-1, they will have proven themselves to not just be 'not a playoff team', but 'a bad team'.  And a bad team that desperately needs an infusion of talent.  BUT.... because of the draft structure for playoff teams, they would end up picking 21st in the draft in each round, rather than 9th-12th.  That's going to cost the Eagles talent in EVERY round, and that sucks.  I'm never one to root against the chance to make the playoffs, because the chance to make the playoffs and 'have a shot' at the Super Bowl is always exciting, even if its a pipe dream.  BUT... this year, that dream seems so far out of reach that it's laughable.  And they would actually suffer a PENALTY for making the playoffs this year.  How depressing.

Is there any way the Eagles trade Hurts after this year?

I was just thinking, with the cap hell looming and the need for more youth nearly across the board, this could be one way out.

--they already called themselves a QB factory, so what else could their plan be other than to eventually flip him for picks?  Why not sooner than later?

--giving him random snaps in the game has at least proven to the league that hes not overwhelmed by the speed/athleticism in the NFL.  I think by the end of the year, there will be enough on film for someone to take a shot at him

 

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Is there any way the Eagles trade Hurts after this year?

I was just thinking, with the cap hell looming and the need for more youth nearly across the board, this could be one way out.

--they already called themselves a QB factory, so what else could their plan be other than to eventually flip him for picks?  Why not sooner than later?

--giving him random snaps in the game has at least proven to the league that hes not overwhelmed by the speed/athleticism in the NFL.  I think by the end of the year, there will be enough on film for someone to take a shot at him

They'd have to flip him for at least what they spent to acquire him or take ANOTHER PR hit for that pick... UNLESS, that move is made by a different GM.  A different GM could step in and unload several bad contracts, bad picks and not be on the hook for them.  (Similar to what Howie did dumping Maxwell, Murray, etc.) 

I remain unmoved about the draft pick slots that we would "lose" should we make the playoffs

Even at 6-9-1, the Eagles would be around picks 10-12 (the Falcons had pick #16 last year at 7-9) if they dont win the NFCE

I continue to believe that playing for, and making the playoffs, is worth every bit of the 7-8 draft spots we'd slide down.  If our success hinges on getting top draft picks, then we're not as great of an organization as everyone would love to think.

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Is there any way the Eagles trade Hurts after this year?

I was just thinking, with the cap hell looming and the need for more youth nearly across the board, this could be one way out.

--they already called themselves a QB factory, so what else could their plan be other than to eventually flip him for picks?  Why not sooner than later?

--giving him random snaps in the game has at least proven to the league that hes not overwhelmed by the speed/athleticism in the NFL.  I think by the end of the year, there will be enough on film for someone to take a shot at him

Except that Wentz gets hurt frequently and Sudfeld stinks.  The only way Hurts will have real value is by starting and winning games.  

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I am going to sound like a negative nancy and like one of those that are only interested in 'winning' the draft or whatever... but I see this season as one that will set the team back a significant amount, much more than it should given that there's a dearth of talent on the roster.   

 

Given the state of the division, this team is now the odds-on favorite to win the division, but at likely as few as 7 wins.  Maybe even 6.  And if they manage to win the division at 6-9-1, they will have proven themselves to not just be 'not a playoff team', but 'a bad team'.  And a bad team that desperately needs an infusion of talent.  BUT.... because of the draft structure for playoff teams, they would end up picking 21st in the draft in each round, rather than 9th-12th.  That's going to cost the Eagles talent in EVERY round, and that sucks.  I'm never one to root against the chance to make the playoffs, because the chance to make the playoffs and 'have a shot' at the Super Bowl is always exciting, even if its a pipe dream.  BUT... this year, that dream seems so far out of reach that it's laughable.  And they would actually suffer a PENALTY for making the playoffs this year.  How depressing.

Valid points. The only weak spot is the Eagles record of poor deafting in the higher rounds. If you can't evaluate talent does it really make a difference if you draft at #12 or #21?

11 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Is there any way the Eagles trade Hurts after this year?

I was just thinking, with the cap hell looming and the need for more youth nearly across the board, this could be one way out.

--they already called themselves a QB factory, so what else could their plan be other than to eventually flip him for picks?  Why not sooner than later?

--giving him random snaps in the game has at least proven to the league that hes not overwhelmed by the speed/athleticism in the NFL.  I think by the end of the year, there will be enough on film for someone to take a shot at him

Unless Wentz goes down (yet again) and he proves he could start we aint getting crap for him.

Just now, Mike31mt said:

I remain unmoved about the draft pick slots that we would "lose" should we make the playoffs

Even at 6-9-1, the Eagles would be around picks 10-12 (the Falcons had pick #16 last year at 7-9) if they dont win the NFCE

I continue to believe that playing for, and making the playoffs, is worth every bit of the 7-8 draft spots we'd slide down.  If our success hinges on getting top draft picks, then we're not as great of an organization as everyone would love to think.

I'm not suggesting a 'tank' or anything of the sort.  But, this is not a good football, and one with a ton of holes.  They will find themselves in NFL purgatory... Too good to get the truly obvious transformative talent in the top 10, but too bad to have a legit chance at picking #32.  And given the track record of picks recently in the early 20s... it is not a rosy outlook.

I suppose it doesn't really matter at all, but the last 'good' pick this team has made in the first round after the top 15 is: Jeremy Maclin at #19.  Book is still out on Dillard and Reagor (obviously).  Shame that they wasted last season with Peters at LT.  Would be nice to know what they have in Dillard right now.  A combo of Dillard/Mailata at the bookends for the future could allow them to move on from Lane Johnson's contract (as painful as that would be emotionally for me).  But, we just don't know much other than Dillard better not be asked to play RT.

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I am going to sound like a negative nancy and like one of those that are only interested in 'winning' the draft or whatever... but I see this season as one that will set the team back a significant amount, much more than it should given that there's a dearth of talent on the roster.   

Given the state of the division, this team is now the odds-on favorite to win the division, but at likely as few as 7 wins.  Maybe even 6.  And if they manage to win the division at 6-9-1, they will have proven themselves to not just be 'not a playoff team', but 'a bad team'.  And a bad team that desperately needs an infusion of talent.  BUT.... because of the draft structure for playoff teams, they would end up picking 21st in the draft in each round, rather than 9th-12th.  That's going to cost the Eagles talent in EVERY round, and that sucks.  I'm never one to root against the chance to make the playoffs, because the chance to make the playoffs and 'have a shot' at the Super Bowl is always exciting, even if its a pipe dream.  BUT... this year, that dream seems so far out of reach that it's laughable.  And they would actually suffer a PENALTY for making the playoffs this year.  How depressing.

If you are in the "get the higher draft pick" camp then your best bet is to hope for Andy Dalton to become Dallas' Nick Foles and lead them to the post-season. Obviously don't root for the same end result but short of that happening I don't see any other way the Eagles don't win the division. Washington and NY are too dysfunctional and are likely to be in the top 5-10 again.

10 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 

Outstanding

2 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Valid points. The only weak spot is the Eagles record of poor deafting in the higher rounds. If you can't evaluate talent does it really make a difference if you draft at #12 or #21?

I think its easier to draft at #12 than #21.  

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Defensive coordinator replacements options (assuming Doug is HC)

- Kris Richard
- Rod Marinelli
- Brent Venables (unlikely to leave)
- Jared Meyo (if they want to go the Pats route)
- George Edwards (DC under Zimmer)
- Marvin Lewis
- DeMeco Ryans (49ers LB coach). IMO, might be a year or two early for DeMeco, but that's coming.

My dream is Jim Leonhard (Wisconsin defensive coordinator). He played in the NFL. He's a top 3 college DC, who understands playing against both traditional offenses (Michigan) and spready teams (Ohio State). He's a future NFL/College HC when he's ready for that jump.

My list is mostly the same as last year except for Woods who was named DC for the Browns, and additions of Parker and Rapone:

Kris Richard

Teryl Austin

John Butler

Jerry Gray

Nick Rapone

Kris Kocurek

Phil Parker

Mike Tressel

2 minutes ago, metal said:

If you are in the "get the higher draft pick" camp then your best bet is to hope for Andy Dalton to become Dallas' Nick Foles and lead them to the post-season. Obviously don't root for the same end result but short of that happening I don't see any other way the Eagles don't win the division. Washington and NY are too dysfunctional and are likely to be in the top 5-10 again.

I don't want to 'get the higher draft pick'.  I just want to see this team find talent... and the draft seems to be the most logical option, given the cap situation.   That said, Fulgham was acquired off the waiver wire and has looked better than any WR draft pick on this team since Jeremy Maclin as well... so what do I know?   I'm just an emotional moron on a MB.

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Except that Wentz gets hurt frequently and Sudfeld stinks.  The only way Hurts will have real value is by starting and winning games.  

I dont think thats necessarily true

Teams still have their draft evaluations of him. And by seasons end will likely have some semi-decent NFL tape, enough to know hes not a total bust and belongs in the NFL somewhere

If you just thought of it as drafting him like a rookie, knowing his floor is somewhere at low level fill-in starter, that's a pretty good bet to make

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think its easier to draft at #12 than #21.  

Yup. True of every team.

Best bet for us to lose the division is Dallas' defense waking up even a little bit.

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

This. 

Last year we won meaningless games to host a meaningless home playoff game and all it did was 1) false hope and 2) move us back 7-10 picks in the draft.

Pack it in this year

Loser mentality

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Yup. True of every team.

Best bet for us to lose the division is Dallas' defense waking up even a little bit.

Go root for Dallas then

Honestly, how can anyone root for Dallas to be in the playoffs?

This should be a bannable offense

 

If the Eagles cant figure out how to sustain success without drafting in the top 5, its on them.  We dont need to lose to win, this isnt the (failed) 76ers process.