3 minutes ago, greend said:

I'm inferring that this team has had no talent around Carson and you need other talent besides the quarterback to win. You're the guy that insists that elite quartebacks win no matter what.  

BTW his coach didn't throw the game losing int. 

I agree with your first sentence.  I am playing devils advocate with you because you have not placed blame on Carson even once, that I can recall when it was certainly deserved.  It seems he can do no wrong in your eyes.  I think he has a shot to be great but I am getting impatient.  This is year 5.  He will never have the athletic ability again.  His injuries have taken a toll.  So now in order for him to be great, he needs to change his game.  He can't go for the homerun play every single time.  There is a time and place for those extended plays but not all the time.  His turnover issues need to be cleaned up, both interceptions and his fumbles from holding the ball too long.  He needs to be more accurate on throws where the pocket is clean and he has time to step up and space to follow through.  Yes, he needs more weapons also.  If all those things can happen, this can be a dangerous offense.

9 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Next person I'd say would be Doug but why the hell would he be making decisions on defense? Didn't Doug say before that Schwartz has total control over the defense?

 

That's what I thought. We've been told Schwartz has total control over defense and input on personnel yet here he tells us those aren't his decisions???

Then whose??? If Howie's then, Houston we have a problem☹️

Both statements can be true that Wentz's mechanics have regressed and he's working in a patchwork offense. Is the former happening because of the latter is the question. I think it obviously has an impact, but we saw this happening in the second half of the Washington game when he had all of his weapons. I think we'd still be seeing these issues if he was playing with a full deck, it just wouldn't be as drastic. He's played with a different offensive line in every single game this season. I don't care if you're Mahomes or Wilson, you're going to struggle with that. 

I've tempered my expectations for him this season to being a game-manager who doesn't turn the ball over. That's a realistic expectation to have for him. Not a guy who throws for 300 yards and 4 TDs every week. We need to see him turn into the guy we saw in the last four games of the season last year. 

I'm still of the assumption that we will not see him finish this season due to injury. His style of play the past two weeks just isn't sustainable with the shots he's taking and how he holds onto the ball. But the double-edged sword is that they need him to play that way for this team to remain competitive. 

16 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Anyone in the top 15 would have us at least 3-2 right now in place of Wentz, who is the worst QB in the league so far.  Also add guys like Brady, Stafford, Murray, Ryan, Newton, and Rivers.  So over 20.  Perhaps even more than that.

You do realize that all top 15 of those QBs right now are not playing with one starting offense of lineman and the weapons the Eagles have. Legitimately every single one of those teams that they are playing on have healthy weapons at their disposal besides rodgers. 
 

Wilson— Lockett, metcalf and Carson 

rodgers— Aaron Jones, Tonyan (legitimately Rodgers carrying them right now)

josh allen— diggs, brown and singletary

carr— healthy oline, Waller, Jacobs, ruggs and I’d argue agholor and Renfrow 

Big Ben— healthy oline til decastro left, juju, claypool, conner, Washington and Johnson (left injured last week)

goff— woods, kupp, higbee/Everett (depends on the week) and Henderson. Healthy oline 

mahomes— kelce, hill, Watkins, hardman, CEH

herbert— williams, Allen, ekeler (before this week) and hunter henry ( yet still 1-4)

tannehill— henry, Jonnu Smith, corey davis and aj brown (been hurt but also covid so Titans is similar to use but I’d still take their weapons over ours)

brees— sanders, kamara and cooks ( Thomas played the first two weeks— offense hasn’t struggled at times having no Thomas hence why they really could be 2-3 right now if chargers could make a fg)

bridgewater— Moore, Anderson, Samuel and Mike davis (McCaffrey first couple weeks)

lamar— Hollywood, Ingram, dobbins, Andrews and duvernay

watson— cooks, stills, fuller, David Johnson 

prescott— Cooper, lamb, Gallup, zeke

brady— Evans, Ronald Jones (who’s been very good this year after poor season last year), godwin (before his injury), gronk (bucs offense hasn’t looked great outside of the chargers game). 
 

wentz— reagor injured, desean injured, sanders  missed a game, fulgham, jjaw, Greg Ward, ertz (who frankly is a shell of himself so far this year), goedert hurt and 4 of 5 offensive lineman out (lane in and out of games). 
 

Like those quarterbacks probably aren’t playing nearly as well with four of the starting five offensive lineman from the beginning of the year out. Or three of their top wide receivers out. Or one of the best weapons Zach Ertz pouting all over the field about his contract. Or losing the tight end who is likely better than Zach Ertz for four or five weeks. You pretend like that doesn’t matter like elite QBs just play the same missing that. Matt Stafford didn’t look nearly as good until golladay came back 

Now wentz has his issues and things he has to go and work on. Nobody is saying he is perfect or flawless or even an elite quarterback right now. However I also know when you make a statement saying all these other quarterbacks would do better than he would with this offense it’s BS. There’s so much crap going on on this team with injuries and guys in and out of the lineup that almost any quarterback not name Mahomes or Rodgers or Wilson probably is going to struggle with this offense. I hate to break it to you but the weapons that they have out there Right now and that offensive line that they keep running out there is not championship caliber even if you have an elite quarterback you are not winning a title with.   

 

3 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Both statements can be true that Wentz's mechanics have regressed and he's working in a patchwork offense. Is the former happening because of the latter is the question. I think it obviously has an impact, but we saw this happening in the second half of the Washington game when he had all of his weapons. I think we'd still be seeing these issues if he was playing with a full deck, it just wouldn't be as drastic. He's played with a different offensive line in every single game this season. I don't care if you're Mahomes or Wilson, you're going to struggle with that. 

I've tempered my expectations for him this season to being a game-manager who doesn't turn the ball over. That's a realistic expectation to have for him. Not a guy who throws for 300 yards and 4 TDs every week. We need to see him turn into the guy we saw in the last four games of the season last year. 

I'm still of the assumption that we will not see him finish this season due to injury. His style of play the past two weeks just isn't sustainable with the shots he's taking and how he holds onto the ball. But the double-edged sword is that they need him to play that way for this team to remain competitive. 

Great points!

22 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

No retreads to handle the draft. Find someone new. Raid the Steelers.

Saints have some nice drafts as well 

2 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

I agree with your first sentence.  I am playing devils advocate with you because you have not placed blame on Carson even once, that I can recall when it was certainly deserved.  It seems he can do no wrong in your eyes.  I think he has a shot to be great but I am getting impatient.  This is year 5.  He will never have the athletic ability again.  His injuries have taken a toll.  So now in order for him to be great, he needs to change his game.  He can't go for the homerun play every single time.  There is a time and place for those extended plays but not all the time.  His turnover issues need to be cleaned up, both interceptions and his fumbles from holding the ball too long.  He needs to be more accurate on throws where the pocket is clean and he has time to step up and space to follow through.  Yes, he needs more weapons also.  If all those things can happen, this can be a dangerous offense.

Well in our exchange you might be right. But I have said quite a few times in here that Carson did not play well to start the year. I think he's coming around but I wouldn't expect too much this year with his surrounding cast.

Here are my thoughts on Carson.

2017 He played at an elite level

2018 a high level

2019 a high level

2020 terrible at first, average over the last 2

In the future I expect him to get back to elite, I'm not sure that happens this year though.

10 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

He literally ducked under a free rusher on Sunday and threw a pass to convert 3rd down

He does that 2-3 times per game and you wont acknowledge it.  We have 4 f'ing backups on the OL and the only receiver he currently trusts to run a legit NFL route against and NFL defender was signed last wedk

Carson has had some tough luck with injuries around him and he needs to play better.

He looked better against the steelers whom have a legit defense so that was encouraging yet he still had too many mistakes that added up to a loss. His int again was a killer as it led directly to points.

Do I think Wentz is the worst QB in the league, No,he has the lowest QB rating and there are a few guys who have lower QBR plus he was one of the highest rated qbs of week 5 according to PFF so take all that for what it's worth.

Hopefully he can get some guys back and play better.

Just now, Utebird said:

His int again was a killer as it led directly to points.

Are the Eagles the only team in the league that is incapable of not giving up a TD after a turnover.  

43 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Oh come on, this is the height of hindsight analysis

We also could have drafted Chad Johnson instead of Freddie Mitchell. 

15 minutes ago, greend said:

Might have started the season as worst but he's not there anymore.https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player 

4 minutes ago, greend said:

Well in our exchange you might be right. But I have said quite a few times in here that Carson did not play well to start the year. I think he's coming around but I wouldn't expect too much this year with his surrounding cast.

Here are my thoughts on Carson.

2017 He played at an elite level

2018 a high level

2019 a high level

2020 terrible at first, average over the last 2

In the future I expect him to get back to elite, I'm not sure that happens this year though.

Fair enough!

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Are the Eagles the only team in the league that is incapable of not giving up a TD after a turnover.  

So far yes😉

22 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Carson Wentz is the WORST QB in the league this year.  We're not asking for a top 3 guy.  Just not the WORST QB in the league.  But even that is too much to ask for Wentz Washers.

Must be really hard to just overlook Jason Kelce was the only starting offensive lineman that finish the game last week or the fact that we have a practice squad of starting wide receivers and our best receiving Zack Ertz seems to be crying about his contract every week and doesn’t even finish routes anymore.

And I bashed wentz because he has not played well this year Especially the first three weeks but if you’re gonna overlook those things then You just have a bone to pick with him and you can’t realize those things matter. Go show me another team that’s down 4 offensive lineman and their top three wide receivers are on the sideline. I’ll wait for this response cause no other team in the league is down 4 olineman and 3 of their expected starters at WR. If you don’t think those things matter then you are just naïve. That’s really the only explanation I can get for thinking that With 4/5 of your offensive line is gone and having to rely on fulgham and Ward As your main wrs other QBs wouldn’t struggle. 

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

We also could have drafted Reggie Wayne instead of Freddie Mitchell. 

FYP

4 hours ago, justrelax said:

I'm a glass half-full, and I'll speak to the OL. Other than Kelce and Brooks, our oldest OL is Seumalo at 26.

At the skill positions, Goedert, Scott, and Ward are 25, Hightower is 24, Sanders is 23, Hurts is 22, Reagor is 21, and Wentz is the old man at 27.

That's a lot of youth.

Thank you.    BTW, you forgot Lane.  He's 30.

 

20 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

No you guys are being irrational when we just want Wentz to be mediocre and not the WORST QB in the league.  Anyone who has a problem with Wentz being the WORST QB in the league, you apologists claim we want Wentz to play great.

No, just be mediocre instead of the WORST. 

If Carson pulls himself into the middle of the pack in terms of QB rating in the next 6 games, will you stop posting Wentz being the problem? 

4 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Only three of the skill guys are good, although I’m confident Reagor will at worst be a useful player due to his speed. 

Scott, Ward and Hightower are nothing to feel good about at the moment. Hurts is nothing but a backup QB and gadget guy. 

Add Fulgham to that list.  He just hit 25.  So, that's something.   I think Fulgham could be a starting "X" in a year, and a pretty good one.  That would free up Reagor to play "Z" and in the slot more, and make everything a little more 'clean'.

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

We also could have drafted Chad Johnson instead of Freddie Mitchell. 

Or reggie wayne.

For the record I wanted eagles to go different position in 1st round and draft Steve smith in the Second or 3rd

I watched Steve smith all through college tear dudes up and thought he was the most explosive WR in the draft, I may have been a bit biased but I wasn't wrong.

Didn't mind the Fred X pick at the time, wasn't ecstatic by the pick but he had just come off a record breaking rose bowl performance against a top ranked corner in jamar fletcher whom also ended up sucking.

Eagles draft any other receiver other than fred X though and maybe they don't get TO in 2004 but hey maybe they win Superbowls in 2002 2003?

Just now, ManuManu said:

 

It’s going to be kelce Out there sunday as the only starting offensive lineman from what we envisioned at the end of the draft. 

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

FYP

Steve Smith and TJ Who's your mother too.  

21 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Add Fulgham to that list.  He just hit 25.  So, that's something.   I think Fulgham could be a starting "X" in a year, and a pretty good one.  That would free up Reagor to play "Z" and in the slot more, and make everything a little more 'clean'.

I like what I saw from Fulgham. Put me down for cautiously optimistic. 

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Or reggie wayne.

For the record I wanted eagles to go different position in 1st round and draft Steve smith in the Second or 3rd

I watched Steve smith all through college tear dudes up and thought he was the most explosive WR in the draft, I may have been a bit biased but I wasn't wrong.

Didn't mind the Fred X pick at the time, wasn't ecstatic by the pick but he had just come off a record breaking rose bowl performance against a top ranked corner in jamar fletcher whom also ended up sucking.

Eagles draft any other receiver other than fred X though and maybe they don't get TO in 2004 but hey maybe they win Superbowls in 2002 2003?

Or maybe they have 2 receivers that are worth something.  Also, the problem with 2004 is the defense was not as dominant at it was in 2002 or 03.