6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Must be really hard to just overlook Jason Kelce was the only starting offensive lineman that finish the game last week or the fact that we have a practice squad of starting wide receivers and our best receiving Zack Ertz seems to be crying about his contract every week and doesn’t even finish routes anymore.

And I bashed wentz because he has not played well this year Especially the first three weeks but if you’re gonna overlook those things then You just have a bone to pick with him and you can’t realize those things matter. Go show me another team that’s down 4 offensive lineman and their top three wide receivers are on the sideline. I’ll wait for this response cause no other team in the league is down 4 olineman and 3 of their expected starters at WR. If you don’t think those things matter then you are just naïve. That’s really the only explanation I can get for thinking that With 4/5 of your offensive line is gone and having to rely on fulgham and Ward As your main wrs other QBs wouldn’t struggle. 

Those things matter.  However they don't matter enough to make Wentz the worst QB in the league.  They don't matter enough to make him miss layup throws and make terrible decisions left and right.

You apologists keep harping on the problems around him while TOTALLY WHITEWASHING the problems with Wentz himself.

4 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

I feel bad for Rivers, he had to deal with Norv as HC for all those years.  He should have a few rings.

Meh... not sure he's good enough to make that assertion.  Maybe 'could', but 'should'... that's tricky.  

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

If he needs the surgery then I'd prefer he just get it now

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

If Carson pulls himself into the middle of the pack in terms of QB rating in the next 6 games, will you stop posting Wentz being the problem? 

I'm going to guess, for a while................maybe?

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

If Carson pulls himself into the middle of the pack in terms of QB rating in the next 6 games, will you stop posting Wentz being the problem? 

When Wentz stops being a problem, I'll stop posting about him being the problem.

So far this year he's been the biggest problem while the contingent of homers refuses to blame him for anything.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I like what so saw from Fulgham. Put me down for cautiously optimistic. 

Agreed.  After the SF game, I was skeptical.  The way he played Sunday moved the arrow to cautiously optimistic.  If he repeats that against Baltimore, the arrow moves to hopeful.  If he does it the following weak, its optimistic.  And if he does it the week after that, it goes to 'a player'. 

 

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

If he needs the surgery then I'd prefer he just get it now

You know the drill.  He will miss 3 games which could have been spent on IR then they will say he needs surgery.

We're not talking about how good Jason Kelce is. He's playing at a very high-level with 4 backup OL. He has to over-communicate everything, then do his job against guys like Aaron Donald, Alualu and Buckner.

2 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

When Wentz stops being a problem, I'll stop posting about him being the problem.

So far this year he's been the biggest problem while the contingent of homers refuses to blame him for anything.

So missing 4 of 5 offensive lineman and 3 other offensive starters is not a problem in your view ??

9 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Those things matter.  However they don't matter enough to make Wentz the worst QB in the league.  They don't matter enough to make him miss layup throws and make terrible decisions left and right.

You apologists keep harping on the problems around him while TOTALLY WHITEWASHING the problems with Wentz himself.

When did I say Carson Wentz doesn’t have problems? I know he does. In fact I have pointed them out in previous weeks. Went into great detail about Carson Wentz issues in previous weeks. 

however I am not dumb enough to believe that any quarterback you throw out there down four of five offensive lineman, down desean, down reagor, down goedert, missing sanders for a game and ertz who’s pouting out there all while my defense is one of the worse in the league in the red zone and creating turnovers would have this team humming along. That is pure stupidity on your part. Could they have a better record? Maybe. However I don’t think this offense is a top-five offense if you just throw Deshaun Watson in here. Watson has better weapons right now and he struggled up until this week vs the jags

Is Carson Wentz playing great? hell no but the fact that you ignore out there all those things and just ignore it like any other quarterback besides Patrick Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson would have this team humming along is pure stupidity on your part. Almost any quarterback that is not one of those three and maybe Lamar Jackson would be struggling right now with this offense in terms of what is out there. You seem to not think that which frankly is dumb. 

2 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

When Wentz stops being a problem, I'll stop posting about him being the problem.

So far this year he's been the biggest problem while the contingent of homers refuses to blame him for anything.

Wentz wasn't the problem yesterday.   So, you can stop now.   And as for the strawman at the bottom there... fight the good fight.  

Wentz has been a problem this year.   So has having the most players START a game in the NFL.  Or having a different OL in front of him every game.   Thank goodness that the same line that started against SF started against Pitt.  Granted, they didn't finish the game that way.  And now its 4 young guys learning the ropes with Kelce anchoring the middle.  That's not what anyone had on paper to start the year.  The top WR target is a guy moved up from the PS two weeks ago that they picked up off the waiver wire.  The top receiving TE is on IR (yes, I'm moving Goedert ahead of Ertz now), and no RB outside of Sanders can get any positive yardage.   Wentz has been far from the only problem.  And frankly, it can be argued that these other problems have contributed to Wentz' problem.    That's not making excuses for him, that's analyzing the underlying issues and looking at WHY he's struggling not just THAT he's struggling.

36 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Carson Wentz is the WORST QB in the league this year.  We're not asking for a top 3 guy.  Just not the WORST QB in the league.  But even that is too much to ask for Wentz Washers.

If you believe this you have to be drunk.  That is absurd

Going back to the comment Schwartz made about not making decisions on defense, Schwartz was the reason they signed Zack Brown over Jamie Collins. Schwartz has full control over the defense, so unless he was stripped of his power he most certainly makes those kinds of decisions. 

https://www.inquirer.com/sports/eagles-jim-schwartz-defensive-coordinator-doug-pederson-chris-long-bill-belichick-20191116.html

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

We're not talking about how good Jason Kelce is. He's playing at a very high-level with 4 backup OL. He has to over-communicate everything, then do his job against guys like Aaron Donald, Alualu and Buckner.

IMO, he's borderline HoF.  But, he had that down period around the time of his injury.

23 minutes ago, downundermike said:

With Fulgham and Ward instead of Higgins and Boyd would Burrow win those games ??  Also, how many starting offensive lineman has Cincy lost ??

With Fulgham and Ward instead of Parker and Williams would Fitz win those games ??  Also, how many starting offensive lineman has Miami lost ??

With Fulgham and Ward instead of Davis and Humphries would Tannehill win those games ??  Also, how many starting offensive lineman has Tennessee lost ??

Who knows.

I get the eagles have had a ton of injuries and Wentz still has made way too many mistakes to consistently put his team in poisitions to win.

Against the Washington team If Wentz doesn't play they most likely win the game.

Against the bengals he had some terrible turnovers that drastically changed the out come of the game 

I'd argue with a qb who didn't turn the ball over as much as Wentz and miss as many throws as Wentz in those games that eagles win both those games putting their record at 3-2 instead of 1-3-1

6 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

When Wentz stops being a problem, I'll stop posting about him being the problem.

So far this year he's been the biggest problem while the contingent of homers refuses to blame him for anything. 

Do you think he was the biggest problem on Sunday? 

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

We're not talking about how good Jason Kelce is. He's playing at a very high-level with 4 backup OL. He has to over-communicate everything, then do his job against guys like Aaron Donald, Alualu and Buckner.

He's one of the Eagles best lineman of all-time that's for sure.  I have a sinking feeling this is his last year.  

 

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

If you believe this you have to be drunk.  That is absurd

There are some statistics that back that up.  Of course, those statistics ignore context.

11 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Or maybe they have 2 receivers that are worth something.  Also, the problem with 2004 is the defense was not as dominant at it was in 2002 or 03.  

2002 they were 2nd in  the league points against 

2003 7th for points against

2004 2nd for points against

13 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

If he needs the surgery then I'd prefer he just get it now

Second that

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

So missing 4 of 5 offensive lineman and 3 other offensive starters is not a problem in your view ??

Can you read?  I acknowledged the other problems w/injuries.  

It's you Washers who refuse the admit the problem with Wentz.

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Do you think he was the biggest problem on Sunday? 

No the defense was the biggest problem on Sunday.  Wentz was mediocre instead of being a flaming dumpster fire, so that was a nice improvement.

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

2002 they were 2nd in  the league points against 

2003 7th for points against

2004 2nd for points against

I don't need facts to support my points.  

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

When did I say Carson Wentz doesn’t have problems? I know he does. In fact I have pointed them out in previous weeks. Went into great detail about Carson Wentz issues in previous weeks. 

however I am not dumb enough to believe that any quarterback you throw out there down four of five offensive lineman, down desean, down reagor, down goedert, missing sanders for a game and ertz who’s pouting out there all while my defense is one of the worse in the league in the red zone and creating turnovers would have this team humming along. That is pure stupidity on your part. Could they have a better record? Maybe. However I don’t think this offense is a top-five offense if you just throw Deshaun Watson in here. Watson has better weapons right now and he struggled up until this week vs the jags

Is Carson Wentz playing great? hell no but the fact that you ignore out there all those things and just ignore it like any other quarterback besides Patrick Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson would have this team humming along is pure stupidity on your part. Almost any quarterback that is not one of those three and maybe Lamar Jackson would be struggling right now with this offense in terms of what is out there. You seem to not think that which frankly is dumb. 

There's a difference between "struggling" and being the worst QB in the league and being the most inaccurate when not pressured and receivers are open.

What's pure stupidity is how you and your fellow Wentz ballwashers refuse to assign him blame for his atrocious play thus far.

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Who knows.

I get the eagles have had a ton of injuries and Wentz still has made way too many mistakes to consistently put his team in poisitions to win.

Against the Washington team If Wentz doesn't play they most likely win the game.

Against the bengals he had some terrible turnovers that drastically changed the out come of the game 

I'd argue with a qb who didn't turn the ball over as much as Wentz and miss as many throws as Wentz in those games that eagles win both those games putting their record at 3-2 instead of 1-3-1

 If wins play better could they have a better record? Yes. Do I think if he quit turning the ball over as much in those first three games would they have a better record? Yes. I still think they get destroyed by the Rams because the defense is garbage.

They could also have a better record of those games if they weren’t relying on rookies to play significant snaps week one in a pandemic year. Or a defense stop somebody in the red zone And holds them to a field goal. An issue that’s not Carson but on this team. 

My issue is more of this, when you are down four of five offensive lineman, reagor, goedert, desean ans insert fulgham and ward as starters and telling me you’re going to have the offense humming along with any other quarterback I find that BS. Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson and Possibly lamar i could see them playing great. Anyone else with what we are throwing out there on the offensive line and what we have in terms of weapons would have this offense in the top 10 of the league either is a fallacy.

Would we have less turnovers? Probably but that doesn’t mean because we have less turnovers we are scoring more pointS. We very easily could be punting it more. 
 

If you’re gonna tell me Matt Stafford comes into the situation and he’s going to look like a top-five quarterback with 1 starting olineman, an inconsistent run game, down a multitude of weapons then you’re full of crap.  Prior to the last two weeks wentz has been compounding the fact that our offense would be struggling when with an average QB. His poor performance the first three weeks just added onto the fact this offense still sucked even with an average to above average quarterback playing they still would be bottom half of the league in offense cause of other issues besides just wentz.