11 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

If you believe this you have to be drunk.  That is absurd

He has the worst QB rating among all 32 starters in the league.  

1 minute ago, Arsenal79 said:

There's a difference between "struggling" and being the worst QB in the league and being the most inaccurate when not pressured and receivers are open.

What's pure stupidity is how you and your fellow Wentz ballwashers refuse to assign him blame for his atrocious play thus far.

Absolutely no one has refused to blame him for bad plays. 

3 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

There's a difference between "struggling" and being the worst QB in the league and being the most inaccurate when not pressured and receivers are open.

What's pure stupidity is how you and your fellow Wentz ballwashers refuse to assign him blame for his atrocious play thus far.

So... in your opinion, the bolded isn't stupid and immature?

 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So... in your opinion, the bolded isn't stupid and immature?

Selective moderation much?  Did you miss the post I responded to?

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Absolutely no one has refused to blame him for bad plays. 

This is a crock of ish.

7 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

There's a difference between "struggling" and being the worst QB in the league and being the most inaccurate when not pressured and receivers are open.

What's pure stupidity is how you and your fellow Wentz ballwashers refuse to assign him blame for his atrocious play thus far.

7 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

He has the worst QB rating among all 32 starters in the league.  

Of course you keep bringing up the one state that fits your narrative.  He is not last in QBR, completion percentage.  One thing you should look at, the correlation between sacks and QBR and or rating.  It is amazing when a QB is not getting sacked all the time that his play tends to improve.  

4 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

 

Selective moderation much?  Did you miss the post I responded to?

This is a crock of ish.

We will win the division.

 

Just now, downundermike said:

Of course you keep bringing up the one state that fits your narrative.  He is not last in QBR, completion percentage.  One thing you should look at, the correlation between sacks and QBR and or rating.  It is amazing when a QB is not getting sacked all the time that his play tends to improve.  

It's amazing that you and your cohorts fail to acknowledge that the biggest reason for Wentz getting sacked so much, is because he plays hero ball and refuses to throw it away and give up on plays.

1 minute ago, Arsenal79 said:

There's a difference between "struggling" and being the worst QB in the league and being the most inaccurate when not pressured and receivers are open.

What's pure stupidity is how you and your fellow Wentz ballwashers refuse to assign him blame for his atrocious play thus far.

So over the first four weeks I said he has played poorly and went into great detail about the things he is doing poorly. His mechanics, his decision making. but clearly I never mentioned those things. That good, bad and ugly thing i write i must have written themselves and those parts on wentz just weren’t existent lol. Like know who you’re talking to you. Clearly you don’t  

Yet You are so superior in intelligence that  you’re telling me any QB not named Rodgers, wilson, mahomes and lamar would be playing good if 4/5ths of their oline was gone, down his top 2 wr weapons, his best TE (it’s obvious goedert right now is better than ertz, text she hasn’t even play the last two weeks and he’s only 15 yards behind Zach Ertz). Like you’d have to be complete idiot if you believe that with all those factors that any QB outside of those generational 4 would still be playing at a high-level And their offense would be top 10 with all that. Let you know that a false statement and you’re delusional if you believe that

And your wentz washer comment doesn’t bother me. I have bashed wentz plenty of times this year and even last year even when he was playing well

The fairest non-partisan criticism of the roster is that no one maintained the big picture on it.  The Eagles patched and made do for one more year, while clearly having an owner requesting certain things and using a lot of group-think to make some decisions.  Having a HC defer to the DC for some decisions only makes the blend of spending even harder to justify.  Next years cap highlights the malaise perfectly.

1 minute ago, Arsenal79 said:

Selective moderation much?  Did you miss the post I responded to?

No self-reflection then, eh?   Only one person that I see is reacting and responding with teenage name calling because you disagree with someone's opinion.  

 

Having a difference of opinion doesn't have to turn into childish insults.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So over the first four weeks I said he has played poorly and went into great detail about the things he is doing poorly. His mechanics, his decision making. but clearly I never mentioned those things. That good, bad and ugly thing i write i must have written themselves and those parts on wentz just weren’t existent lol. Like know who you’re talking to you. Clearly you don’t  

Yet You are so superior in intelligence that  you’re telling me any QB not named Rodgers, wilson, mahomes and lamar would be playing good if 4/5ths of their oline was gone, down his top 2 wr weapons, his best TE (it’s obvious goedert right now is better than ertz, text she hasn’t even play the last two weeks and he’s only 15 yards behind Zach Ertz). Like you’d have to be complete idiot if you believe that with all those factors that any QB outside of those generational 4 would still be playing at a high-level And their offense would be top 10 with all that. Let you know that a false statement and you’re delusional if you believe that

And your wentz washer comment doesn’t bother me. I have bashed wentz plenty of times this year and even last year even when he was playing well

100% strawman garbage.  I never said they would be playing "good".  I never said we'd be "top 10".

I said we'd be 3-2 with those guys because they wouldn't be giving us worst QB in the league level performance like Wentz has.

1 hour ago, greend said:

Nah, you're just being ludicrous but that's okay that's your right.

It's his speciality.

5 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

 

Selective moderation much?  Did you miss the post I responded to?

This is a crock of ish.

I didn’t call you stupid. I called the way that you’re thinking is stupidity cause thinking any other quarterback (Besides mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson and lamar) down 4/5 of his offensive line, his top two wide receivers at the start of the year and his best tight end would just be humming along and having this offense play like a top ten is stupidity. I’m sorry it’s delusional not stupidity 

1 minute ago, Arsenal79 said:

It's amazing that you and your cohorts fail to acknowledge that the biggest reason for Wentz getting sacked so much, is because he plays hero ball and refuses to throw it away and give up on plays.

So you want him to just throw the ball away on every other play ??  QB's need to make plays, and it is harder with a bad O-Line and practice squad receivers.

Moving on, if Carson is the problem, what should the Eagles do going forward ??

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No self-reflection then, eh?   Only one person that I see is reacting and responding with teenage name calling because you disagree with someone's opinion.  

 

Having a difference of opinion doesn't have to turn into childish insults.

No self reflection on your part about your selective moderation on this thread?  If someone calls me stupid because they get offended that I criticize Saint Carson, they should be able to handle my response without needing your help.

2 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

The fairest non-partisan criticism of the roster is that no one maintained the big picture on it.  The Eagles patched and made do for one more year, while clearly having an owner requesting certain things and using a lot of group-think to make some decisions.  Having a HC defer to the DC for some decisions only makes the blend of spending even harder to justify.  Next years cap highlights the malaise perfectly.

Agreed. At this rate, we might be doing a complete dump of high salary often hurt older players at seasons end. So playing young guys now (being forced to by said injuries) May actually be better long term for roster building than if those overpaid injured players were playing. 

I find it interesting that Pederson said we had a third or fourth round grade on Fulgham. I don’t really buy the round 3 grade, let’s say round 4 is accurate. We passed on him in the fourth and fifth rounds for Miller and Thorson. 

He was on the Lions’ PS until getting signed to the 53 on Dec. 12. We signed Burnett to the PS that day, and two weeks later to the 53. I wonder if we were sniffing around, and the Lions added him to protect him. 

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

Some seriously dumb and hysterical stuff today.

We'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I didn’t call you stupid. I called the way that you’re thinking is stupidity cause thinking any other quarterback (Besides mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson and lamar) down 4/5 of his offensive line, his top two wide receivers at the start of the year and his best tight end would just be humming along and having this offense play like a top ten is stupidity. I’m sorry it’s delusional not stupidity 

Do you have any clue how to make a point without lying and strawmanning?  Quote where I said those guys would have our offense playing "top ten"?

Read this article and learn something:

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

Just now, Arsenal79 said:

100% strawman garbage.  I never said they would be playing "good".  I never said we'd be "top 10".

I said we'd be 3-2 with those guys because they wouldn't be giving us worst QB in the league level performance like Wentz has.

there’s quarterbacks that you have on that list that are sitting at 1-4 and 2-3 with better offenses that are healthy. Again if you think a quarterback is just going to trot out there down 4/5ths of his line, his two starting receivers sidelined, goedert type of tight end sideline and have his team humming along then you are delusional.

I don’t think you understand how many quarterbacks would struggle in that situation. That’s my problem with you. I never said Carson Wentz was playing well. previously I have going on about how Carson Wentz has a bunch of issues he needs to work out. Nowhere in there did I say he’s elite or great right now. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I find it interesting that Pederson said we had a third or fourth round grade on Fulgham. I don’t really buy the round 3 grade, let’s say round 4 is accurate. We passed on him in the fourth and fifth rounds for Miller and Thorson. 

He was on the Lions’ PS until getting signed to the 53 on Dec. 12. We signed Burnett to the PS that day, and two week later to the 53. I wonder if we were sniffing around, and the Lions added him to protect him. 

An interesting tidbit.  Nice digging.

Toohill...?

Wentz has had his share of issues. 

 

But they are more magnified because of the Oline and WR play. If Travis Fulgham showed us anything, it's that if Wentz has a few weapons who actually can play, Wentz will make the needed reads and throws.  

But with bad Oline and WR play? He does tend to hold the ball too long. Again because he either does not trust the WR's or they are really not getting open. (both) And the line isn't good enough for him to hold it longer than 2.5-3 seconds

I'd still take Wentz over 20+ other starting QB's in the NFL right now.