4 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Do you have any clue how to make a point with lying and strawmanning?  Quote where I said those guys would have our offense playing "top ten"?

Read this article and learn something:

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

Yes you’re right Deshaun Watson sitting at one and four with a better offense is clearly going a step into this offense and take them to 3-2 lol  Or Stafford in a better offense at 1-4. yup they’ve clearly shown with more talent they could take a team with lesser talent on multiple fronts to a 3-2 record lol  

 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

there’s quarterbacks that you have on that list that are sitting at 1-4 and 2-3 with better offenses that are healthy. Again if you think a quarterback is just going to trot out there down 4/5ths of his line, his two starting receivers sidelined, goedert type of tight end sideline and have his team humming along then you are delusional.

I don’t think you understand how many quarterbacks would struggle in that situation. That’s my problem with you. I never said Carson Wentz was playing well. previously I have going on about how Carson Wentz has a bunch of issues he needs to work out. Nowhere in there did I say he’s elite or great right now. 

No, I understand that any QB would struggle.  The problem is that a real elite QB would not struggle as badly as Carson has to the point where he is statistically the worst QB in the league. 

His atrocious performance this year is very good evidence that he is not elite like people were hoping.

25 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 If wins play better could they have a better record? Yes. Do I think if he quit turning the ball over as much in those first three games would they have a better record? Yes. I still think they get destroyed by the Rams because the defense is garbage.

They could also have a better record of those games if they weren’t relying on rookies to play significant snaps week one in a pandemic year. Or a defense stop somebody in the red zone And holds them to a field goal. An issue that’s not Carson but on this team. 

My issue is more of this, when you are down four of five offensive lineman, reagor, goedert, desean ans insert fulgham and ward as starters and telling me you’re going to have the offense humming along with any other quarterback I find that BS. Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson and Possibly lamar i could see them playing great. Anyone else with what we are throwing out there on the offensive line and what we have in terms of weapons would have this offense in the top 10 of the league either is a fallacy.

Would we have less turnovers? Probably but that doesn’t mean because we have less turnovers we are scoring more pointS. We very easily could be punting it more. 
 

If you’re gonna tell me Matt Stafford comes into the situation and he’s going to look like a top-five quarterback with 1 starting olineman, an inconsistent run game, down a multitude of weapons then you’re full of crap.  Prior to the last two weeks wentz has been compounding the fact that our offense would be struggling when with an average QB. His poor performance the first three weeks just added onto the fact this offense still sucked even with an average to above average quarterback playing they still would be bottom half of the league in offense cause of other issues besides just wentz. 

Yup it's not all on Wentz.

And when looking at him just his decisions his mechanics he's made some poor choices and poorer throws.

Too many times he's had guys open and sailed passes over their heads or behind them or held the ball and taken sacks and when he's not doing that he's throwing picks.

Even against the steelers his best game if the season there were throws that were inaccurate that had he just made the simple throw could have changed the out come of the game.

Sure the receivers he's throwing to and the line blocking for him have to be taken into account and when those guys do their jobs and get open and give Carson time to throw he needs to make those throws not hold it launch it over their heads or behind them or throw a pick.

Not many qbs could do much with the hand Carson has been dealt this year and I think there are a fair amount that could do a little more if all that means is hitting an accurate 5 yard pass.

Having said that one thing that hasn't been taken into account is the inflated yardage generated for Qbs by screens. I don't think it's much of a stretch to say the eagles are the worse screen team in the league whether it's WR RB or even TEs they suck and a lot of that is due to the amount of injuries on O line. Screens are a timing play and if ones offense consists of 4 OL that have never played together screens are going to be shakey.

Carsons stats have zero positive influence from the screen game which is easy stats for qbs, mcnabb's whole career was inflated by screen and shovel passes.

Id guess if Wentz had any kind of screen game his numbers may be a bit better and if one were to take the screen game away from every other qb their numbers would be worse 

 

 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Why is curry on this team still???

 

I said it before the season and I will say it again,wentz is not a top 15 qb in the nfl.

1 hour ago, DeathByEagle said:

Now I would trade Alshon for him, lol. Its the ONLY way I would make any trade for Bell. 

 

Naw. Wouldn’t even do that. Maybe if the jets threw in a mid round pick 

2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

I said it before the season and I will say it again,wentz is not a top 15 qb in the nfl.

Not this year he's not.

Toohill was always going to be a cut at some point - a nice TC, but needs a lot of work.  The hard part is him clearing waivers. 

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

Joe Burrow fitzmagic and tannenhill😒.

All 3 of  those guys beat the Redskins and the bengals.

Wentz was the sole reason they lost to the Washington, He wasn't much better against the bengals.

 

Neither of the 3 above are elite but they've all been better than Carson this year and would have given the eagles a better chance at winning by simply not being turnover machines.

 

 

I did not realize that he played on defense and made coaching decisions. 

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

I said it before the season and I will say it again,wentz is not a top 15 qb in the nfl.

Sadly, the evidence this year shows this to be true.  We were hoping we had an elite top 5 QB, but we obviously don't.  

18 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

No, I understand that any QB would struggle.  The problem is that a real elite QB would not struggle as badly as Carson has to the point where he is statistically the worst QB in the league. 

His atrocious performance this year is very good evidence that he is not elite like people were hoping.

I don’t think Carson Wentz is elite. I think he’s a good quarterback that if you put talent around him he can win games in this league. At this point in time he’s not playing well. Which I have never said to you he is playing well or that he’s isn’t in the bottom half of the league right now.

My point was I don’t think any other quarterback besides those four comes into that offense and has it playing well enough for you to not be ****ing about their play at QB. I don’t think you actually understand how much of a loss four a five offensive lineman are and your two starting wide receivers and Dallas Goedert makes on a quarterback. Go ahead and take away Michael Thomas, four of 5 offensive lineman for the Saints and then add on top of it sanders and cooks you probably are not going to see Drew Brees and the Saints be very good on offense. Would Drew Brees struggle as much as wentz? Probably not but then again offense is likely not gonna be that good anyway And probably struggles way more than he would 

14 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Toohill...?

I'm more curious why they only protected two players. Are they allowed to protect Toohill and Arnold tomorrow assuming they clear waivers and land on the PS?

Some thoughts...

 - Yes, Carson was awful earlier and we could have been 3-2 with better QB play.  Oh well.  He appears to be trending in the right direction, although surrounded by a turnstile of backups.  By the end of the season, he will not be a problem for 2021+.

 - As for Jim Schwartz, he is objectively a good DC.  Just look at the tools he's had to work with.  Jim Johnson had a HOF safety and a conveyor belt of Pro Bowl cornerbacks.  The only DBs of note since 2016 have been Jenkins and Slay.  Schwartz is not perfect, but he is nowhere near the top of the list with regards to issues with the team.

 - I can't understand the injury situation.  Year after year.  It's not just the old guys - Goedert, Maddox, Seumalo, Reagor. 

 - Despite the injuries, putting up 29 points against the Steelers with only 4 projected starters on offense is impressive.  And I can see where Doug is open to criticism for some of his decisions.  But I can assume that it is more difficult if you don't really know what you can count on from your offense with all of the injuries.  Like Schwarz, Doug is not an issue with the team.  So for me, the issues on offense have been Carson's early play and injuries.  These should resolve themselves going forward.

 - Stoutland deserves a statue in front of the Linc.   Although depleted now, I don't see the OL as an issue into 2021.

 - For me, the underlying issue is talent acquisition, or lack thereof.  Our back seven, even when healthy, is just not good enough. We have too many old players.  Yes, most of them are good when on the field.  But if we had drafted better, we wouldn't need to keep them around to the point where their availability is always questioned.  To be clear, I don't think Howie misses more than the majority of GMs.  He has consistently delivered solid players.  His issue is that he doesn't hit any homeruns.  Other than Carson, no one he has drafted post-Chip looks to be heading to the Pro Bowl soon.  I hope that a move away from Douglas' production-over-traits philosophy will help going forward, because with our cap situation, we need to get better at drafting.

 

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

I did not realize that he played on defense and made coaching decisions. 

Well you need to pay better attention😉

15 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup it's not all on Wentz.

And when looking at him just his decisions his mechanics he's made some poor choices and poorer throws.

Too many times he's had guys open and sailed passes over their heads or behind them or held the ball and taken sacks and when he's not doing that he's throwing picks.

Even against the steelers his best game if the season there were throws that were inaccurate that had he just made the simple throw could have changed the out come of the game.

Sure the receivers he's throwing to and the line blocking for him have to be taken into account and when those guys do their jobs and get open and give Carson time to throw he needs to make those throws not hold it launch it over their heads or behind them or throw a pick.

Not many qbs could do much with the hand Carson has been dealt this year and I think there are a fair amount that could do a little more if all that means is hitting an accurate 5 yard pass.

Having said that one thing that hasn't been taken into account is the inflated yardage generated for Qbs by screens. I don't think it's much of a stretch to say the eagles are the worse screen team in the league whether it's WR RB or even TEs they suck and a lot of that is due to the amount of injuries on O line. Screens are a timing play and if ones offense consists of 4 OL that have never played together screens are going to be shakey.

Carsons stats have zero positive influence from the screen game which is easy stats for qbs, mcnabb's whole career was inflated by screen and shovel passes.

Id guess if Wentz had any kind of screen game his numbers may be a bit better and if one were to take the screen game away from every other qb their numbers would be worse 

 

And I don’t disagree with your first couple paragraphs on your assessment. He’s missed open wide receivers too. He has had poor mechanics. That’s been a problem even last year when they play Dallas and he got ertz a ruptured kidney because of his throw. And I 100% agree he needs to make the throws when he don’t have the time and he has guys open. That is not deniable by anybody

My issue is more if we’re just gonna randomly select quarterbacks not of those 4 (wilson,Rodgers, Lamar and mahomes) I keep mentioning are going to come into the situation and not have big struggles then we are delusional. Maybe play a little bit better than Carson? Maybe And some i think would struggle as badly. However the offense is still going to struggle so I don’t get this well they would be a little bit better than Carson.  big Fing deal the offense was still going to struggle because you had all those factors and then on top of it Carson is not playing well. we werent going to magically get That much better on offense with Matt Stafford or watson or Matt Ryan out there playing for Carson. As each of those quarterbacks has struggled early on with better offenses in place. The offense was still going to have issues due to other factors. It’s compounded that wentz hasn’t played well. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'm more curious why they only protected two players. Are they allowed to protect Toohill and Arnold tomorrow assuming they clear waivers and land on the PS?

Maybe they expect both to clear waivers then protect them,I as well not sure how it works 

I do know that if toohill a promising looking young pass rusher gets claimed because eagles kept a washed up vinny curry that a few fans might not be happy ☹️

 

3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 - I can't understand the injury situation.  Year after year.  It's not just the old guys - Goedert, Maddox, Seumalo, Reagor. 

I think it’s time to take a serious look at Josh Hingst, who’s been the Strength and Conditioning Coach since 2013.  The Eagles have audited their medical personnel and made some changes; hopefully they do an intensive audit of their offseason training program as well to see where the issues are — it’s not just coincidence every season.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

 

At this point it might be beneficial to take all LBs for the eagles off the field 😒

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

At this point it might be beneficial to take all LBs for the eagles off the field 😒

 if they would’ve taken my advice and just started Nate gerry 20 yards back Of the play he would’ve been in position against Claypool

14 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

I said it before the season and I will say it again,wentz is not a top 15 qb in the nfl.

Trouble is nobody cares what you think.

1 minute ago, greend said:

Trouble is nobody cares what you think.

Don’t worry about him he’s just upset that the Tampa Bay buccaneers Might not be as good as he thought 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 if they would’ve taken my advice and just started Nate gerry 20 yards back Of the play he would’ve been in position against Claypool

Yup the thinking  from top to bottom on that play was FUBAR

I don't care if Toohil wasn't dressing for games.  If he showed even the smallest bit of potential to be a pass rusher in this league someone will snatch him up.  If the Eagles lose him to bring Curry back that's another bad roster decision in a line of bad moves.