Toohill was highly thought of by the team.  What gives to wave him?  They claimed another OT from other team.  This move is to make room for the new guy? 

Too many moves each week.  This is getting difficult to keep track of the ins and outs.  Even harder for the players to build coordination with teammates.

8 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

Toohill was highly thought of by the team.  What gives to wave him?  They claimed another OT from other team.  This move is to make room for the new guy? 

Too many moves each week.  This is getting difficult to keep track of the ins and outs.  Even harder for the players to build coordination with teammates.

It appears they want to activate Vinny Curry.  There is no benefit in releasing young talent for an aging DE here on a 1-year deal.

10 hours ago, Parrot Head said:

Howie is a fing weasel.

Maybe Chip Kelly knew something we didn’t. 🤷‍♂️

Jones was the problem here, not the coaches. He was constantly hurt. Then when he was healthy enough to play the next time he got beat he magically grabbed at his hamstring. Then when his back was against the wall fighting for a roster spot he got hurt again. He lost the team’s trust. 

It doesn’t have to be a Schwartz or Howie screwup. Jones had to go. Just like Agholor. No one is talking about that being a screwup because we all were sick of him. Imagine how sick the Eagles were of Jones’ act. We cut him and no one claimed him, not even his position coach turned DC in Detroit. Not even Joe Douglas, who set our draft board when he was picked. The Jets have the worst CB room in the NFL and didn’t take a flyer on him. 

I forget who made the Metal Gear alert reference. This should have been in Schwartz's ear seeing Gerry on Claypool:

 

Speaking of a Claypool...

 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Mmmhmm.  And it was Wentz fault that Hightower cut back inside in the hurry up offense rather than ducking to the sideline, right?  Hightower is struggling.

Yup. I like Hightower, but his role right now needs to be limited. Let him lock in for 20-30 snaps a game. He played 48 on Sunday. That's a lot for a 5th RD rookie.

Hightower is still helping the spacing in the offense with his speed and is giving us what we needed. No complaints with his draft selection.

1 hour ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

Wentz is hitting and missing.   He made a lot of excellent throws to Fulgham.the past two games, missing easy throws to Miles over the middle with space for him to run.  

I will fall on the following sword:

Wentz is best out of the pocket.  Accurate, decisive, confident.   We know he can't be rolled out every play, but it does help him find his rhythm, confidence, and most importantly, his mechanics.   Against San Fran he put the Fulgham TD on the money after he had been rolling and moving.  I don't think it is a coincidence.  Move him, get him in a groove.  It's not an uncommon methodology in sports.  In Basketball if a shooter is struggling two things really help: get to the foul line and calling favorite plays.  In hockey some goalies need more shots to feel comfortable.  In baseball with pitchers some need to throw a heavy dies of heaters early to get their arm and wrist ready to snap off curves and sliders.

I think getting Carson moving early helps whereas spending the first half dropping back to the same spot hurts.

 

One of those "misses" hit Sanders in the hands. Many in here fail to recognize how much Wentz has been handicapped by below average play by the WRs. We have exactly one WR that has a little juice and can make tough catches. Hightower has the catch radius of a pin head (even then it is iffy he will catch it) and has a lack of situational awareness. Ward is what he is.

Notice how much better Wentz looked throwing to Fulgham? 

35 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

It appears they want to activate Vinny Curry.  There is no benefit in releasing young talent for an aging DE here on a 1-year deal.

None.

5 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

One of those "misses" hit Sanders in the hands. Many in here fail to recognize how much Wentz has been handicapped by below average play by the WRs. We have exactly one WR that has a little juice and can make tough catches. Hightower has the catch radius of a pin head (even then it is iffy he will catch it) and has a lack of situational awareness. Ward is what he is.

Notice how much better Wentz looked throwing to Fulgham? 

This all day. Once Reagor gets back and if Fulgham can continue to produce we may have something.

48 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

Toohill was highly thought of by the team.  What gives to wave him?  They claimed another OT from other team.  This move is to make room for the new guy? 

Too many moves each week.  This is getting difficult to keep track of the ins and outs.  Even harder for the players to build coordination with teammates.

agreed, total mess. exposing young guys with some juice to waivers in order to activate a aging scrubs like curry is just the status quo around here. If I was toolhill and another team showed interest I would leave in a heartbeat, although I bet he will make it through waivers

9 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

One of those "misses" hit Sanders in the hands. Many in here fail to recognize how much Wentz has been handicapped by below average play by the WRs. We have exactly one WR that has a little juice and can make tough catches. Hightower has the catch radius of a pin head (even then it is iffy he will catch it) and has a lack of situational awareness. Ward is what he is.

Notice how much better Wentz looked throwing to Fulgham? 

That throw was a fairly difficult catch for a RB to make at full speed. It was low and a little behind him. It wasn’t impossible, but that was way more on Wentz than it was Sanders. 

This goes back to extremely poor roster management and the inability to look ahead.  The Eagles knew Lane Johnson was going to be limited against the Steelers.  They could have put him on IR prior to the Steelers game knowing that he was already questionable and making the injury worse before the next 2 games that are so close together.  Then you get Lane back with 3 weeks rest while using his roster spot on a player with potential. Then he comes back against the Cowboys in a huge division game as close to 100% as he's going to be all year.  

Instead, he played against Pittsburgh, got hurt and won't practice.  You know he's going to try to go this week.  He will probably be like JP the rest of the year until they finally realize it's time to pull the plug.

 

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

That throw was a fairly difficult catch for a RB to make at full speed. It was low and a little behind him. It wasn’t impossible, but that was way more on Wentz than it was Sanders. 

It was a little low (knee high) but it was not behind him. It is a routine catch for a NFL RB used extensively in the passing game.

18 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This goes back to extremely poor roster management and the inability to look ahead.  The Eagles knew Lane Johnson was going to be limited against the Steelers.  They could have put him on IR prior to the Steelers game knowing that he was already questionable and making the injury worse before the next 2 games that are so close together.  Then you get Lane back with 3 weeks rest while using his roster spot on a player with potential. Then he comes back against the Cowboys in a huge division game as close to 100% as he's going to be all year.  

Instead, he played against Pittsburgh, got hurt and won't practice.  You know he's going to try to go this week.  He will probably be like JP the rest of the year until they finally realize it's time to pull the plug.

 

I am not sure how much of this is on the Eagles coaches. I think Lane wants to play.  I am guessing the doctors are being deferential to Lane and telling him that if he can play through the pain he won't make it worse.  I don't think they can just unilaterally place a player on IR if the doctor is clearing the player to play.  

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I am not sure how much of this is on the Eagles coaches. I think Lane wants to play.  I am guessing the doctors are being deferential to Lane and telling him that if he can play through the pain he won't make it worse.  I don't think they can just unilaterally place a player on IR if the doctor is clearing the player to play.  

Yea, I'm not sure but how many times do you hear a coach say "We're going to shut him down" or something along those lines.  To me that sounds like they make the ultimate decision.  We saw last year with DJack that he was able to say no to the surgery.  That's the players choice.  I think IR is 100% on the coaches saying what they want.  Would be interesting to learn more about how that actually works.

 

 

20 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

It was a little low (knee high) but it was not behind him. It is a routine catch for a NFL RB used extensively in the passing game.

I don’t agree.

50 minutes ago, RLC said:

Yup. I like Hightower, but his role right now needs to be limited. Let him lock in for 20-30 snaps a game. He played 48 on Sunday. That's a lot for a 5th RD rookie.

Hightower is still helping the spacing in the offense with his speed and is giving us what we needed. No complaints with his draft selection.

I'm not complaining about his selection, but he's not there yet.  He's likely swimming in his own head right now to a certain extent.  That's the product of the limited offseason, at least in part.  And he's being called upon a ton as a 5th round pick, because the WR room is so injured and bare right now.  But, that's kind of what my point was.  They gave a big contract to an oft injured Jeffery, and then restructured it to lock themselves into needing to keep him around this year.  Two strikes there.  Desean was a bad trade.  It was an attempt to get the 'quick fix' for the speed guy, and he was one of the best ever at that.  But, the emphasis there is on the 'was'.  He's now 'oft-injured' and expensive, as they also gave him an extension and more money, tying their hands with him as well this year.  Two more strikes there.  And those two moves together eliminated their options when it came to bringing in a FA WR in a down year on the market, like Robby Anderson.  He was the guy that they were actually interested in getting (according to reports) and was a younger, less injured option than either Jeffery or Desean, but they are locked in with them for big money, so Anderson, even at his lower than anticipated cost, became too expensive for this cap strapped team.   ***And this is where people who defend Howie with the we've never had a cap problem are missing boat... we do have a cap problem, because he kicked the can down the road so much with some of these older players that should have never been brought back... After the Super Bowl, they never should have brought back Peters or Sproles... and they both ate valuable roster spots, and cap space.  Just too much holding on to the past with this current GM/ownership.***   They tried to fix the speed WR spots with younger players in the draft in late rounds... Hollins (4th), Gibson (5th)... and missed on them both.  Then they went with the Jeffery replacement in Round 2 with JJAW... and missed there as well.  That's a lot of mistakes at the WR position since the Super Bowl.  And when they are all put together that is why this team is where it is at the WR position now.  Being forced to push a player that might have talent into a role he's not ready for yet with Hightower.  Forced to rely on Ward, and forced to push Fulgham out there immediately when they brought him in.   Frankly, Fulgham might be the only decision that they have gotten 100% right at the WR position since the Super Bowl.  Reagor is an "Incomplete", so he's not measured into this yet.   But, he needs to get healthy and get on the field to help.   Hopefully he can soon.   I truly believe that a trio of Reagor, Fulgham and Ward would actually be 'NFL' caliber at all 3 positions, even if it would likely still be in the bottom 1/3 talent wise.   At least it wouldn't be bottom of the barrel, bad.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I know how he feels

We had the same feelings for his time here.

44 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

One of those "misses" hit Sanders in the hands. Many in here fail to recognize how much Wentz has been handicapped by below average play by the WRs. We have exactly one WR that has a little juice and can make tough catches. Hightower has the catch radius of a pin head (even then it is iffy he will catch it) and has a lack of situational awareness. Ward is what he is.

Notice how much better Wentz looked throwing to Fulgham? 

Notice that Fulgham isn't body catching everything?  He's using his hands... like a real WR.  Most of the rest are just cradling the ball to their chest, and if the ball isn't on their chest, they can't make the catch.... like Hightower on that deep ball in the end zone.  If he attacks the ball with his HANDS, then he might have had a chance to make a difficult catch.  BUT... if he doesn't and tries to bring his chest up to the ball, then he whiffs completely.    Routinely, week in and week out, I see WRs make hands catches and help their QB out quite a bit.  Not every ball is going to be perfectly placed, by any QB.  And when that QB has to move around in the pocket to stay alive, because his OL is struggling to keep him clean, then that's going to make the balls a little less accurate.  Football is the ultimate TEAM sport.   ALL 11 need to do their job for it to work.  If only 5 guys out there are doing their job well, then EVERYONE suffers for it.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Yea, I'm not sure but how many times do you hear a coach say "We're going to shut him down" or something along those lines.  To me that sounds like they make the ultimate decision.  We saw last year with DJack that he was able to say no to the surgery.  That's the players choice.  I think IR is 100% on the coaches saying what they want.  Would be interesting to learn more about how that actually works.

 

I think part of it is a learning curve for the new IR this year as well.  Putting a guy on IR normally means he's done for the year (or nearly so, for 2 guys).  Now, its a 3 week 'DL', like in baseball.  So, their whole thought process needs to change, and I think at times, they get so wrapped up in the next game, that they lose sight of the bigger picture.  Normally in the NFL, that makes sense, because the IR is basically permanent.  But, not so this year.   So, the thought process needs to be different, and then the moves can be more like chess and less like chinese checkers.

15 hours ago, downundermike said:

This has to be BS.  If true, absolutely disfunctional.

 

 

It's McLane grinding his axe. He and Kempski are always trying to stick it to somebody. I wouldn't trust them to shine my shoes, well, maybe my Chuck Taylor high-tops.

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

It's McLane grinding his axe. He and Kempski are always trying to stick it to somebody. I wouldn't trust them to shine my shoes, well, maybe my Chuck Taylor high-tops.

Keep reading. There is a tweet that is a direct quote from McLane’s interview. This Infante guy seems to have blown it out of proportion. 

26 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Notice that Fulgham isn't body catching everything?  He's using his hands... like a real WR.  Most of the rest are just cradling the ball to their chest, and if the ball isn't on their chest, they can't make the catch.... like Hightower on that deep ball in the end zone.  If he attacks the ball with his HANDS, then he might have had a chance to make a difficult catch.  BUT... if he doesn't and tries to bring his chest up to the ball, then he whiffs completely.    Routinely, week in and week out, I see WRs make hands catches and help their QB out quite a bit.  Not every ball is going to be perfectly placed, by any QB.  And when that QB has to move around in the pocket to stay alive, because his OL is struggling to keep him clean, then that's going to make the balls a little less accurate.  Football is the ultimate TEAM sport.   ALL 11 need to do their job for it to work.  If only 5 guys out there are doing their job well, then EVERYONE suffers for it.

That failure by Hightower is a teachable moment. This is the year for such things, and always was.