10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Seriously.  I am no Nate Gerry fan.  He's bad.  But if we had any depth in the secondary...hell, if we had anything more than Slay and an OK Mcleod, if we had a DC who could recognize a bad matchup and show one ounce of adaptability, if we had an offense that could score points and put pressure on teams....Nate Gerry would be a mere weakness, not a laughingstock who is the recipient of all this blame.  

All teams have weaknesses.  They overcome them with coaching and surrounding talent.  We have neither.

Yup other than slay and an ok mcleod the back 7 is a joke 

Riley has been as bad as gerry yet gerry takes the brunt because gerry plays more.

Maddox was one of the lowest rates outside corners but because of injury he gets a pass.

NRC has been horrid and leblanc not much better, his missed tackle on 3rd down against steelers was huge.

Mills has been invisible at safety in coverage and at corner lost. 

It's just bad outside of slay who had a rough game against steelers and mcleod whose just ok.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Interesting.  I hope I'm never the person who is sufficiently happy with 1-3-1 level performance, in football or otherwise, that I criticize others for critiquing it.

I have great faith that you won't be. That said nobody is satisfied with this season so far, but some of us do understand some of the reason for it.

Just now, greend said:

I have great faith that you won't be. That said nobody is satisfied with this season so far, but some of us do understand some of the reason for it.

I can understand the explanation for it, but not the reasoning.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I don't give 2 craps about Tomlin, but I'm not about to give the offensive mind edge to a guy who is the architect of a congested 12 personnel offense that is presently the lowest rated passing offense in the NFL, which has also failed to integrate a rookie WR in any capacity in 5 years.

One day we might see that 12 personnel with good WRs. With our luck we probably won’t. 

3 hours ago, Desertbirds said:

One of those "misses" hit Sanders in the hands. Many in here fail to recognize how much Wentz has been handicapped by below average play by the WRs. We have exactly one WR that has a little juice and can make tough catches. Hightower has the catch radius of a pin head (even then it is iffy he will catch it) and has a lack of situational awareness. Ward is what he is.

Notice how much better Wentz looked throwing to Fulgham? 

You don't have to convince me about Carson.  Personally I think the playcalling is worse than the WR group.

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Me saying the guy who hasn't score over 40 points since his right hand man Reich left isnt stupid

Me saying a guy who continues to fall into the middle of the pack as an "offensive guru" isnt stupid. 

A fluke is an unlikely chance of occurrence. Saying once in 3500 attempts isnt stupid 

 

 

BUTTTT Doug's a top 3 offensive mind. probably the best. if he had a QB. 

 

Again, resorting to ridiculous hyperbole. Context is lost on you. 

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

Maybe.. Just maybe we have(had) good WR and we dont use them correctly. 

By all means, break down how Doug should use Fulgham, JJAW, Burnett, Ward and Hightower. 

Better yet, maybe during your next season ticket meeting you can ask offensive genius Mike Tomlin. He probably has lots of great ideas. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Again, resorting to ridiculous hyperbole. Context is lost on you. 

Is 40 points the milestone for being an offensive genius? When was the last time his team scored 40 points (Steelers) 2018 division loss to the Jags

1 minute ago, greend said:

Is 40 points the milestone for being an offensive genius? When was the last time his team scored 40 points (Steelers) 2018 division loss to the Jags

Mike Tomlin is really good at scheming up open receivers, greend. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

By all means, break down how Doug should use Fulgham, JJAW, Burnett, Ward and Hightower. 

Better yet, maybe during your next season ticket meeting you can ask offensive genius Mike Tomlin. He probably has lots of great ideas. 

To me the best part about Fulgham's emergence on Sunday is that he is an intermediate weapon in the passing game.  We have (when healthy) Reagor and Jackson to stretch the field, and Ward and Ertz to work the 6-10 yard throws.  Fulgham and Goedert can thrive in the 12-15 yard range.

Just now, ManuManu said:

One day we might see that 12 personnel with good WRs. With our luck we probably won’t. 

If we had 2 good WRs...say, DK Metcalf and a developed Reagor (yeah, I'm going back there), 2 guys that can separate...then I'd rather have Ertz & Goedert on the field than Greg Ward.  So I would adapt to that circumstance and run 12 personnel as the base offense.

But it's not a design that you should force your roster to conform towards.  They did that when they drafted Goedert despite good WR prospects on the board and a bigger need at WR than TE.  They do that when the play Ertz and Rodgers in 12 personnel now.  I get that the WRs suck, but when you are comparing a crappy TE against crappy WRs, at least space out the offense in 2020.  Some of that has been to help the OL, but neither Ertz nor Rodgers can block worth a lick.  So if we are running 12 personnel just for blocking, then get Rodgers the heck out of here and sign a TE who can block.  A blocking only TE can be acquired off a PS.

So much of what they do is just poorly thought out.

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Legit question, what offensive stat would you like to use. Since Reich left the Eagles have been middle of the road on all of them so just pick one lol. 

You brought up 40 points not me. 

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

False. I named HC's I'd take over him. Then OC's. Including many College OC's. 

With that being said, I bet dimes to dollars Tomlin, A defensive guy could produce a middle to the pack offense if he had to

I think Doug's RPO game mixed with hurry up and zone concepts most the offense inherited from chip was the perfect storm for 2017.

Defenses have caught up to RPO game and it's not used as much around the league or even by the eagles.

Doug's reliance on 12 even with Goedert out is criminal.

Seems to me Carson is most comfortable when rolling out or in empty sets yet Doug rarely rolls him out and Doug's empty set plays are unimaginative and easily defended.

If I see one more empty set where all 5 guys run 5 yard hitches I may break something😒 and doug refuses to run from empty sets with motion misdirection every team knows when doug calls empty it's a pass, where as the steelers came out in empty and got chunk plays by running out of empty sets.

Doug's O without the advantage of RPO game is blah.

 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

To me the best part about Fulgham's emergence on Sunday is that he is an intermediate weapon in the passing game.  We have (when healthy) Reagor and Jackson to stretch the field, and Ward and Ertz to work the 6-10 yard throws.  Fulgham and Goedert can thrive in the 12-15 yard range.

I'm not even gonna go there...OK fine I will.

We should not have a damn WR on the field to work 6-10 yard throws, especially if we are running 12 personnel, but really, not ever.

We presently have no one to stretch the field, more people than I can count for throws at the LOS, and one guy (Fulgham) who does not really get open but seems to have very precocious chemistry with Wentz and gets after the football for touch catches, in traffic, at all levels of the field.  Tough catches in traffic are great, but not highly repeatable.  Fulgham may be the best we have and may be playing the way they envisioned JJAW (for 2 games in which he has been largely ignored), but that still does little to add overall space or prolific scoring to the offense.

18 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Agree, and to me it's obvious that I'd have Hightower active over JJAW, and Wentz actually throws the ball toward Hightower, so it's obvious who he'd prefer as well ..... I'm just not so sure that Doug sees it that way

Or if reports are accurate, if Howie sees it🤨

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Explain to me why

JJAW, Mack &  Hollins flat out said they have no idea what there role is

Explain to me why Agholor did just fine when Reich was here, didnt do squat with Doug

Explain to me why we traded for Golden Tate, that seems like Doug begged for, just to hear "it's really hard fitting a pro bowl wr into our system"

Explain to me why we cut Fulgham. Why we didnt recognize Boston scott on the PS

Explain to me why he continues to call Miles Sanders a bell cow back but 1) cant get him lined up with mismatches, 2) forgets he's there and 3) doesnt run the ball. 

 

Obviously it’s because Doug is stupid. He obviously is the one who traded for Golden Tate, not Howie. Obviously Doug is the reason Agholor lost the ball in the lights vs Atlanta and stopped being able to track a deep ball. Obviously Boston Scott was on the PS because Doug runs the 53 man roster and should have played him over Jordan Howard and Miles Sanders. Obviously we should run Sanders more because our injury-ravage OL has run blocked so well this year. Travis Fulgham was cut by two other organizations and had a limited camp here. He should have been starting Week 1.

Yes, Doug is stupid. You’ve convinced me. 

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Yea, I'm not sure but how many times do you hear a coach say "We're going to shut him down" or something along those lines.  To me that sounds like they make the ultimate decision.  We saw last year with DJack that he was able to say no to the surgery.  That's the players choice.  I think IR is 100% on the coaches saying what they want.  Would be interesting to learn more about how that actually works.

 

I would think they need a medical opinion that supports them or face the risk of a grievance.  

11 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Doug's the issue with this team. End of thread. 2018, 2019,  and now. Injuries, no injuries. new guys, old guys. trades, no trades. draft picks UFA's. Foles, Wentz doesnt matter

The result is the same. a mediocre offensive put out. 

How would you know about the "no injuries” part. We haven’t seen a healthy offense since 2016. 

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

What is Chip doing now? Maybe Lurie can pony up some dough and offer him the job of Chief Smoothie Officer.

Being a loser HC at UCLA where he belongs 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Obviously it’s because Doug is stupid. He obviously is the one who traded for Golden Tate, not Howie. Obviously Doug is the reason Agholor lost the ball in the lights vs Atlanta and stopped being able to track a deep ball. Obviously Boston Scott was on the PS because Doug runs the 53 man roster and should have played him over Jordan Howard and Miles Sanders. Obviously we should run Sanders more because our injury-ravage OL has run blocked so well this year. Travis Fulgham was cut by two other organizations and had a limited camp here. He should have been starting Week 1.

Yes, Doug is stupid. You’ve convinced me. 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

How would you know about the "no injuries” part. We haven’t seen a healthy offense since 2016. 

Pent up frustration again?

7 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Legit question, what offensive stat would you like to use. Since Reich left the Eagles have been middle of the road on all of them so just pick one lol. 

Why have Frank Reich's offenses been so mediocre in Indianapolis? 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

 

Lol they should have replied with "Well then why don't you use him more"

9 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

and I just asked you to pick a stat

YPG this year 28th  last year - 15th. 2018 - 14th - 2017  6th... hmm wonder what changed

PPG - this year 24th - last year 13th 2018 - 18th - 2017 3rd... hmmm wonder what changed. 

Doug's a .500 coach who got lightning in a bottle. End of story

 

It's odd that you say he's a .500 coach he has won more games than he lost over the last 2 seasons without Reich. 

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Why have Frank Reich's offenses been so mediocre in Indianapolis? 

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