4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I guess this was the play Vilma was talking about. Talk about long developing though. 

Wentz still could have got rid of ball, his elongated delivery decreases chances of plays like this working.

Was he pressured? Sure and he should have stepped up earlier in the pocket and stepped into a throw to fulgham the instant he saw the FS come down.

Wentz like Mcnabb often waits till guys are open to throw the ball or tries to force balls into tight windows. The point Wentz should have thrown the ball or could've thrown it fulgham wasn't open but by the time the b.all got there he obviously would have been. Carson struggles throwing guys open and this video is an example even with the pressure from the DE.

Drop back step up and throw the ball on time it's a td I stead Carson drops back hesitates then runs from pocket and takes a sack that could've been a td.

I'm not blaming the OL on this I'm blaming Carson.

Other qbs with better timing and quicker releases make that play imo

 

 

 

 

 

20 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Well a lot of places were not scheduling surgeries from March to about May/June.  So that may have played a role in the delay.  

That is true except that you still have the rest of the month of January when they stop playing. And the rest of the month of February. That’s nearly 8 weeks he had to see if that foot would still be a problem.  Again I’m gonna go with the guys who played in the NFL Todd Hermanns and tra Thomas who flat out came out and called him out on the fact he should’ve had that surgery after the season was over since it was such a bother to him all last year. Thomas flat out said he had surgeries but he didn’t want to but he needed to get knowing the thing was not going to heal on its own when he was injured for that long of a period of time and he would never wait until month before the season when it gets reaggravated to have the surgery. He just would’ve done it initially knowing that that all likely chance to happen

There was a strong chance Johnson continuously playing on an injury all last year was making it worse to the point of just rest and relaxation was not going to fully heal it. Based off reports after the surgery that seemed to be the case. 

1 minute ago, Br3 said:

Just realized we play 2 games next week. Possible record outcomes: 

1-5-1    2Ls

2-4-1   Split

3-3-1   2Ws

1-3-3   2Ties

Split IMO

We lose against Ravens and win against Giants

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

took about 1.8 ish-2 to get to the top of his drop.  

It did.  It was a seven step drop and he had pressure almost as soon as he got set.  I also think Fulgham was open almost immediately.  

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Wentz still could have got rid of ball, his elongated delivery decreases chances of plays like this working.

Was he pressured? Sure and he should have stepped up earlier in the pocket and stepped into a throw to fulgham the instant he saw the FS come down.

Wentz like Mcnabb often waits till guys are open to throw the ball or tries to force balls into tight windows. The point Wentz should have thrown the ball or could've thrown it fulgham wasn't open but by the time the b.all got there he obviously would have been. Carson struggles throwing guys open and this video is an example even with the pressure from the DE.

Drop back step up and throw the ball on time it's a td I stead Carson drops back hesitates then runs from pocket and takes a sack that could've been a td.

I'm not blaming the OL on this I'm blaming Carson.

Other qbs with better timing and quicker releases make that play imo

 

I don't think this is on Carson.  I don't think he's that hesitant.  He made a pump fake and then had to step up due to pressure.  Pryor got beat bad by Tuitt.  I mean he was barely slowed by Pryor.  Pryor didn't hold his block at all not even for a second.  

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

If Wentz hit the 2 do balls to Hightower we could be talking about 2 WRs with monster breakout games this week.

3rd one is a wash between Hightower misjudgement, and Wentz pushing it out of the back of the end zone. 

But the other 2 were completely on Wentz. Could been 4 receptions on 6 targets, and well over 100 yards.  

Yup the throw to high tower in the ENd zone was late and as such he led hightower out of bounds. Even if hightower catches that ball he most likely lands out of bounds.

I keep hearing about how Carson is a deep ball passer and is aggressive down field and for a deep ball qb he throws a wildly inconsistent deep ball.

Mcnabb was wildly inaccurate majority of his career and he had a huge arm and while he couldn't hit a 5 yard crosser consistently he threw a pretty good deep ball 

Files doesn't have a huge arm but he throws a good deep ball 

Wentz from what I've seen misses on a lot of deep balls. Could be unfamiliarity with WRs since he hasn't had much continuity with guys but he said the deep ball to fulgham against niners they practiced like once together 

Beautiful throw by Wentz and then there are other where he's just wildly inaccurate.

I get all qbs aren't going to make every pass and the longer the pass the chances of completion decrease and Carson needs to be better.

 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Second level...

That was a 3 man rush with 7 blocking. (doug bash again from me, sorry this time) why are you running almost meaningless play action fake, with a 7 step drop when you know you cant protect that long

I mean if you can't protect your QB for more than 2 seconds then you might as well have no deep shots.  Again, if Driscoll stays on Tuitt, Wentz is clean in the pocket and makes that throw.  Driscoll came off Tuitt for no apparent reason and Pryor was about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.  

20 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I guess this was the play Vilma was talking about. Talk about long developing though. 

It was seven blockers vs 4. We should be able to win there. 

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think this is on Carson.  I don't think he's that hesitant.  He made a pump fake and then had to step up due to pressure.  Pryor got beat bad by Tuitt.  I mean he was barely slowed by Pryor.  Pryor didn't hold his block at all not even for a second.  

Well Pryor sucks which is no surprise 😒 rather see opeta get a chance there or peters after he gives his left  tackle money back😡

Having said that yeah I get it, it's tough and if Wentz could have made that play it's a highlight play, seems he would have made that play in the past.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Looks like Fulgham active, Hightower inactive by that response.  The real question for me is who would be higher lower on the depth chart between Hightower and JJAW?  

FYP - "lower" just seems more appropriate here.

16 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

By my count, it took Tuitt 2 seconds to beat Pryor.  

He has to exaggerate at every turn. The ball should come out as soon as he comes out of that double move. 

Wow, the love Travis Fulgham is Getting is crazy. 
 

People need to relax on this guy. 

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

4? I dont see 4. 

You’re right. It was three. That’s even worse. 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That is true except that you still have the rest of the month of January when they stop playing. And the rest of the month of February. That’s nearly 8 weeks he had to see if that foot would still be a problem.  Again I’m gonna go with the guys who played in the NFL Todd Hermanns and tra Thomas who flat out came out and called him out on the fact he should’ve had that surgery after the season was over since it was such a bother to him all last year. Thomas flat out said he had surgeries but he didn’t want to but he needed to get knowing the thing was not going to heal on its own when he was injured for that long of a period of time and he would never wait until month before the season when it gets reaggravated to have the surgery. He just would’ve done it initially knowing that that all likely chance to happen

There was a strong chance Johnson continuously playing on an injury all last year was making it worse to the point of just rest and relaxation was not going to fully heal it. Based off reports after the surgery that seemed to be the case. 

I agree it seems he could have had it in January and did not.  We don't know what the surgery was for but my guess is  that the doctor didn't say it was a definitive fix for the problem.   So it might be that surgery was a 50/50 type deal.  Also, we are now more than 6 weeks out from the surgery and he is still having problems.  

2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

FYP - "lower" just seems more appropriate here.

I don't agree -- I believe Hightower has shown the potential to be a good (not great) NFL WR.  I don't see that potential in JJAW

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

It was seven blockers vs 4. We should be able to win there. 

I don’t know if you listen to the Jamaal Jackson, Tra Thomas And herremann’s podcast but they talked about the offense of line pretty in-depth. Talked about how they got beat by a three-man pass rush at times. They thought mailata played really well. But they went in on how pryor was bad. And even kelce had issues which might stem from The lack of communication as he has four new offensive lineman out there and he knows he has to help both herbig and pryor but can’t and has to make a decision on which one he needs to.

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Well Pryor sucks which is no surprise 😒 rather see opeta get a chance there or peters after he gives his left  tackle money back😡

Having said that yeah I get it, it's tough and if Wentz could have made that play it's a highlight play, seems he would have made that play in the past.

I do think if he had a quicker release another QB maybe gets the pass off when he steps up but that's not on Carson. I also don't think there's that many that get that pass off.  It would be good if he could have gotten out of the pressure. 

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

7 on 4, 7 on 3, still embarrassing. Still dont understand why we're having these long, 7 step, play action drops with this line. 

It’s not hard. They designed a shot play and kept seven blockers in to block three.  The OL shouldn’t lose there. 

Great call and design. Bad execution. Of course you find a way to blame the call. 

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Just to confirm, you wanted Wentz to throw a ball 40ish yards off his back foot within while reading the defense through the back of his head. 

Not sure how he was reading defense through the back of his head. He steps up in the pocket with his eyes down field and get caught from behind. 

Would have been off his back foot If he was fading backwards no? but he was stepping up. 

Even if he didn't launch the ball 40 yards don't take the sack feel the pressure use your legs and pick up some yards. Throw the ball away do something other than run up in the pocket and take a sack. At least he didn't fumble☹️

 

 

10 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I keep hearing about how Carson is a deep ball passer and is aggressive down field and for a deep ball qb he throws a wildly inconsistent deep ball.

It seems he has trouble throwing the deep ball as a lob, with high trajectory (and touch) for whatever reason.  When he throws it more of a line drive with zip, he is more accurate.  I don't know how you fix that but it seems like its been an issue for most of his career.  I think he knows he is not good at it which is why he has to wait for the receiver to get open rather than throw the receiver open.

19 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Wentz still could have got rid of ball, his elongated delivery decreases chances of plays like this working.

Was he pressured? Sure and he should have stepped up earlier in the pocket and stepped into a throw to fulgham the instant he saw the FS come down.

Wentz like Mcnabb often waits till guys are open to throw the ball or tries to force balls into tight windows. The point Wentz should have thrown the ball or could've thrown it fulgham wasn't open but by the time the b.all got there he obviously would have been. Carson struggles throwing guys open and this video is an example even with the pressure from the DE.

Drop back step up and throw the ball on time it's a td I stead Carson drops back hesitates then runs from pocket and takes a sack that could've been a td.

I'm not blaming the OL on this I'm blaming Carson.

Other qbs with better timing and quicker releases make that play imo

 

 

 

 

 

You are becoming ridiculous with this nonsense.

18 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I never said either one of those things.

Ah I love this. A quick scan thru your post history shows you blasting the WRs, the OL, Wentz, the entire defense except for McLeod and Slay, and Sanders. So I guess you're correct, you didn't say exactly that 90 percent of the roster sucks, but you basically have over the course of all of your posts. It's not hard to infer how you feel about this team and it's talent. 

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

No, just use your words against you. Flat out said, Doug cant do things cause how bad the injuries are. Ok, well why's he trying to do this. 

Is it a good/great play call. Normally absolutely!! No doubt about it, with a fully healthy line it would work. 

So begs the question, why would doug do it/try it knowing his line is trash

Hypothetical, do you think a team will play cover 3 if they couldnt get a 3 man rush to the QB? 

All of this is irrelevant. Every coach would take seven blockers vs three. It was a great call in that moment. No one could possibly argue that. 

Fulgham is getting Humphrey on Sunday. We'll know how real he is by the end of the game.

13 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup the throw to high tower in the ENd zone was late and as such he led hightower out of bounds. Even if hightower catches that ball he most likely lands out of bounds.

I keep hearing about how Carson is a deep ball passer and is aggressive down field and for a deep ball qb he throws a wildly inconsistent deep ball.

Mcnabb was wildly inaccurate majority of his career and he had a huge arm and while he couldn't hit a 5 yard crosser consistently he threw a pretty good deep ball 

Files doesn't have a huge arm but he throws a good deep ball 

Wentz from what I've seen misses on a lot of deep balls. Could be unfamiliarity with WRs since he hasn't had much continuity with guys but he said the deep ball to fulgham against niners they practiced like once together 

Beautiful throw by Wentz and then there are other where he's just wildly inaccurate.

I get all qbs aren't going to make every pass and the longer the pass the chances of completion decrease and Carson needs to be better.

 

Wentz doesnt really have an inconsistent deep ball. He wasnt good at it as a rookie. And he isnt good at it now. In between, hes been excellent with it, consistently. 

Unfortunately, Hightower could have had a huge game on Sunday if Wentz hit those other 2 that he was open on. One fell well out of bounds, and the other was beyond Hightower's diving fingertips. 

But, he did hit the pass to JJAW, and the one to Fulgham perfectly last week. So, it may be coming back along.