3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I do think if he had a quicker release another QB maybe gets the pass off when he steps up but that's not on Carson. I also don't think there's that many that get that pass off.  It would be good if he could have gotten out of the pressure. 

Yeah, seems Wentz has been reluctant to run this year, not sure if coaches have told him to stay in pocket or it's a conscious effort by him due to injuries but he had an opportunity there to escape the pressure and didn't, and I think you are correct would have been an amazing throw if he could have made it.

Maybe I expect too much, we've seen Carson make some amazing throws falling down on his knees or rolling out off one foot or with guys hanging on him and this year those plays are few and far between. In fact I don't think I can recall one this year?

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

All of this is irrelevant. Every coach would take seven blockers vs three. It was a great call in that moment. No one could possibly argue that. 

Not Bacarty. 7 v 3 would have him running quick slants and hitches! Take that 3 man rush!

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Ah I love this. A quick scan thru your post history shows you blasting the WRs, the OL, Wentz, the entire defense except for McLeod and Slay, and Sanders. So I guess you're correct, you didn't say exactly that 90 percent of the roster sucks, but you basically have over the course of all of your posts. It's not hard to infer how you feel about this team and it's talent. 

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

No, just use your words against you. Flat out said, Doug cant do things cause how bad the injuries are. Ok, well why's he trying to do this. 

Is it a good/great play call. Normally absolutely!! No doubt about it, with a fully healthy line it would work. 

So begs the question, why would doug do it/try it knowing his line is trash

Hypothetical, do you think a team will play cover 3 if they couldnt get a 3 man rush to the QB? 

I love the "throw the ball away" lol thank you

I'm not sure the reference but you're welcome🙃

Just now, eagle45 said:

Ok Dorothy. Keep being disingenuous. 

12 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I agree it seems he could have had it in January and did not.  We don't know what the surgery was for but my guess is  that the doctor didn't say it was a definitive fix for the problem.   So it might be that surgery was a 50/50 type deal.  Also, we are now more than 6 weeks out from the surgery and he is still having problems.  

We are about 7-8 weeks removed from it but in reality he probably should have been out eight weeks with that surgery To begin with. There should have been the 3 to 4 weeks of just resting and letting it heal. Which they did a pretty good job of as he didn’t play week one. Then there was the gradual stepping up each week with that healing and getting stronger. He and the eagles just threw himself into the deep end after four weeks and expected it like hold up. Doing so you are risking having other complications come up like he’s having. As somebody who works in Pt that that’s a pretty iffy plan. You don’t just go full board after 4 weeks after surgery especially not an nfl game when you basically hve had minimal practice or time to get in football shape. you want to gradually ramp it up. He and the eagle said after week one go out there you’re 100%  because you had the surgery. That was about 4 weeks removed.  Hats off to him for trying to do that but reality is him being 30 it wasn’t likely to be when he was 25 and he could likely recover and do that. I think the Eagles and Lane pushed it too hard and should have actually put him on short term IR out until week four.

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It was seven blockers vs 4. We should be able to win there. 

wentz pump faked for no reason. At that time, Fulgham was even with the CB already ball should have been up.

In fact, there was no reason to pump there at all. You wanted the safety to bite on Hightower's crosser so if anything, thats where he should have pumped.

But he was looking at Fulgham, pumped while the CB already was biting, and then it was too late to get the pass off from in the pocket. Im not sure why he didnt throw it on the move either..

 

11 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I don't agree -- I believe Hightower has shown the potential to be a good (not great) NFL WR.  I don't see that potential in JJAW

At this point, both have shown bupkis.

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I do think if he had a quicker release another QB maybe gets the pass off when he steps up but that's not on Carson. I also don't think there's that many that get that pass off.  It would be good if he could have gotten out of the pressure. 

Looks to me like the throw would need to have been made at the moment the Steelers DB bites in the stop, and that timing requires Wentz to know where Fulgham would be as the ball arrives; pretty difficult to have that knowledge with 2 games together.

When I originally saw the replay on the original telecast I’m sure it showed Wentz had already looked off that route as Tuitt arrived 

5 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

You are becoming ridiculous with this nonsense.

Again great thought out retort. Your ability to attack the messenger Instead of the message is quite frequent👍

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

Ya, my bad. I guess im the weird one who thinks that a play that ends up as a loss, a sack at that isnt a great play. 

After watching the redskins have 8 sacks and another 8 pressures I wouldnt have a 7 step drop in my playbook. If you look at it, it's actually 8 on 3 until Etz bumps out at the very very end

No, you're just an idiot. 

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Again great thought out retort. Your ability to attack the messenger Instead of the message is quite frequent👍

nonsense refers to the message...

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Wentz doesnt really have an inconsistent deep ball. He wasnt good at it as a rookie. And he isnt good at it now. In between, hes been excellent with it, consistently. 

He has more trouble anticipating and throwing to a spot (if the receiver is just gaining separation) than he does when throwing to a receiver who is already separated in my opinion.  I think that is where he is inconsistent.

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

Fulgham is getting Humphrey on Sunday. We'll know how real he is by the end of the game.

It might be a tough game to get a better idea on the WR.  Baltimore's front 7 vs the band-aid O-line might be a big headache.  If Carson doesn't have time that could make the WR look worse.

Just now, Alphagrand said:

Looks to me like the throw would need to have been made at the moment the Steelers DB bites in the stop, and that timing requires Wentz to know where Fulgham would be as the ball arrives; pretty difficult to have that knowledge with 2 games together.

 

Lack of familiarity is probable cause, though again Wentz said the long ball to fulgham against niners they had practiced once together.

Though I'd venture more familiarity leads to increase in probability of success?

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

wentz pump faked for no reason. At that time, Fulgham was even with the CB already ball should have been up.

In fact, there was no reason to pump there at all. You wanted the safety to bite on Hightower's crosser so if anything, thats where he should have pumped.

But he was looking at Fulgham, pumped while the CB already was biting, and then it was too late to get the pass off from in the pocket. Im not sure why he didnt throw it on the move either..

 

Yeah, no one pump fakes during a route with a double move.

In addition, the fake is intended for the safeties as well as the CB in coverage, and the fake is part of the timing of the play.

3 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

nonsense refers to the message...

And the ridiculous to the messenger no?

Even if one thinks the message is nonsense one failed to give any reasons as to your claim that the message is nonsense.

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Ok Dorothy. Keep being disingenuous. 

Disingenuous would be putting words in someone else's mouth.

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

"great call" = -4 yards and a sack

Curious to see what you can an "ok call" - 13 yards lol 

A great call can still end up as a bad play. But now it makes sense. You’re results over process so you couldn’t possibly understand why seven blockers vs three rushers should be a huge advantage for even a bad OL. 

Doug got exactly what he wanted, but the OL failed. 

3 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Yeah, no one pump fakes during a route with a double move.

In addition, the fake is intended for the safeties as well as the CB in coverage, and the fake is part of the timing of the play.

Yup the pump fake on a double move is usually a design of the play👍 majority of time at least.

Bottom line: Doug got the exact look he wanted, got Fulgham wide open. The Steelers obliged by rushing only three. Literally Doug couldn’t have set it up better if he tried. 

But the OL couldn’t block three with seven. But yet the playcall was bad? 

2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Yeah, no one pump fakes during a route with a double move.

In addition, the fake is intended for the safeties as well as the CB in coverage, and the fake is part of the timing of the play.

stupid...

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Disingenuous would be putting words in someone else's mouth.

I think that is misrepresentation.

One more thing to consider regarding the Claypool/Gerry touchdown. Everyone was harping on Schwartz and Doug for not calling a timeout. However, I wonder if they even saw the mismatch. I say that because Gerry, wearing a green-dot helmet, gets direct communication (from Schwartz I believe). The communication is cut off at the 15 second mark on the play clock, but this particular play happened prior to that. If Schwartz actually saw that mismatch, one would think, given his direct line of communication to Gerry, that he would be screaming at him to either get inside the route or at least drop deeper. I think it's obvious that neither happened, considering Gerry was completely turned around almost immediately. It's crazy to say this, but I wonder if Schwartz didn't recognize the mismatch after the Steelers went in motion. Crazy if true. 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

stupid...

Yes, your comment was and I'm glad you now recognize that.