8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t think it’s normal for a WR to hesitate out of his break on a post. 

It is on middle-field closed (Free safety in the middle of the field). Carson threw the ball into coverage! There was no support on the sideline, so if Carson adjusts to the coverage and throws the sideline, Reagor would have been going the wrong way. This is not blaming Carson for this; that's advanced for a rookie without a full off-season of OTAs.

I'm more surprised he threw to Reagor on that play in general.

When is Hargrave "suppose" to come back or what was the initial length of time he is "suppose" to be out?

I shut the game off with like 4 minutes left. Someone tell me did theses "tantrums" start after that?

3 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

When is Hargrave "suppose" to come back or what was the initial length of time he is "suppose" to be out?

Who the f knows. I trust weathermen more than injury news out of this team. And even if I knew with certainty that they were being 100% upfront in reporting the timelines they believe, I STILL wouldn’t trust a word they say. Obfuscation and incompetence mixed together. 

One thing about Pederson is he is good enough to get a lot of these things corrected and somehow get you into the post season just enough to get smoked in the early rounds. That should have been the case 2017 except we had nick Foles and the guys rallied around him and did something special. We also had some guy named Frank Reich to help pederson with the game plan. Pederson as a playcaller looks lost at times. 

Okay guys it's 1 game, let's reign it back in a bit. 

Watching what Aaron Donald did to the cowboys line last night... yikes. 

6 minutes ago, greend said:

Okay guys it's 1 game, let's reign it back in a bit. 

It wasnt the fact that we lost, it’s more who we lost to. Washington football club? Feels like 2 L’s. 

Clearly the FO is showing frustration in Doug.

Say what you want but we walked into game 1 with damn near half the team injured.  They can keep firing trainers but you have to start asking questions about how Doug handles these guys.

The way they handled the OL is/was an unmitigated disaster.

Doug clearly has no control over his assistants and they had to bring in "helpers" from outside the organization to address what is obviously a flailing scheme that the NFL has figured out.

Yet he keeps pulling an AR, leaving it all on Wentz to dig the team out and acting like Wentz is Tom Brady.  Wentz is still young, Doug needs to make it easier on him and not harder. 

8 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I dont know if it was Defilippo or Reich, or both, but this offense has lacked creativity , average and stale since they left. 

 

Or dare I say....Mike Groh?

Thoughts on yesterday and the state of the team moving forward.

1. I've been very down on the Eagles after the offseason they had, and following several years of poor drafting immediately prior to and throughout the Carson Wentz era.  That said, I thought they would have found a way to win yesterday.  I know the Redskins have a legit defensive front, more than legit, but their offense is horrible and their QB is bottom of the league.  They have very little skill position talent at all to go with a non-NFL QB (IMO).  It is unconscionable to lose a game like that to that team, especially after building a 17-0 lead.

2. I am as big of a Wentz fan as anyone.  However, you cannot make excuses for him yesterday.  He was awful.  You can't blame "rust" because he looked damn good for a quarter and a half.  What happened?  For one, he got hit a bunch of times.  After he was hit so many times, and with that sequence at the end of the first half, everything changed.  Carson appeared to be really pressing after that and for the rest of the game.  Playcalling?  I am the first to criticize when this is done wrong, or with flawed logic, or if the GP is off.  The GP was good enough to get them up 17-0, could have been 24-0.  They had nobody that could play on the right side of the line.  They had one back who can halfway run the ball.  Doug knows the importance of a run game... they could not do it.  They could not pass protect, either.  Given that situation, Carson MUST adjust and make better decisions, and at a minimum get the ball out and do not turn it over.  Now, the coaching adjustments weren't good, and the "analytics driven" decision making needs further strategic review and analysis, but the "blame" belongs squarely on the QB for this game.

3. Prior to the season, I said this team has too many flaws, risks and lacks talent, and looks to be a 7-8 win team.  That was before the lost yesterday.  This looks to me to be a 6-7 win team that will go 2-4 or 3-3 in their own division.  And that takes into account getting Lane back, Miles Sanders, and other from injury.  I'm not going to be freaking out about this season because I recognize what has happened and where we are now.

4.  The biggest issue with the Eagles, besides the continued revolving door of injuries, is that they lack talent, and especially young talent.  The difference makers on the Eagles are the few older players left that they have been relying on since the SB year.  All of these guys are getting older, breaking down more and may lack motivation when the team runs into this much adversity.  We don't have new young guys to step up -- certainly not difference makers that change games.  The drafting has been at the bottom of the league level for a while.  This is not on coaching or play-calling.  This is on the GM and the front office.  They have not been anywhere near good enough for a while.

5.  Every year the gap with the Cowboys gets a little wider.  I know the Cowboys lost a tough one last night, but this year you will see a bigger difference.  The gap emerges from one team drafting quality starters and contributors and mixing in some impact players, while the other team drafts many busts with a few decent starters mixed in.  One team seems to follow the CW in the draft, and ends up with guys that play at or above expectations of draft pundits.  The other team makes unconventional decisions, trying to "game" the system or get ahead of the league.  You cannot make so many high picks that don't pan out, or you will eventually fall behind.  Those bills have now come due.  We are in collections on Marcus Smith, Jordan Matthews, Josh Huff (basically all of 2014), Nelson Agholor, Eric Rowe, Jordan Hicks, Derek Barnett (when he cannot stay healthy yet again), Sidney Jones, Rasul Douglass, Mack Hollins, Donnel Pumphrey.   Now more recently, our LT of the future is down, our RB of the future is down, and someone ( we don't know who, and they may still inexplicably be employed by the organization) chose JJ Arcega-Whiteside over DK Metcalf.  The bills are all due, and we cannot pay. 2020 draft is brand new, and while some of the picks may end up being good players, there is no indication that as a whole it will produce many difference makers.

6.  I knew that the team was in very, very serious trouble when they made the indefensible decision to draft Jalen Hurts in round 2 this year after just signing Carson to a mega-deal.  The decision was awful for many different levels of reasons I have already cataloged here, and I know some do not agree because they have not seen it play out yet, but they will get there eventually.  This is exactly the type of result I expected.  It is human nature.  The undermined young "franchise QB" is pressing more than ever.  Meanwhile, many positions groups on the Eagles really could have used a talented 2nd round prospect.  The Eagles have replacement level players at many different positions these days.  Instead they had a healthy scratch 3rd QB.

7.  There isn't enough criticism of "analytics" driven decision making.  Like anything else, the output is only as good as the data.  Data by definition will always have gaps, will always be incomplete and will never correlate 1:1 with a situation.  That is why we need these pesky, fallible, inconsistent, mistake prone, inconvenient things called people to make final decisions.  You have to look at situationally whether it made sense to call timeouts and run a 2-minute drill before the half, versus being happy with a 17-0 lead against a team that couldn't do anything offensively.  Similarly, something has to be looked at with the Eagles "Defer to get 2nd half kickoff, spend 15 minutes at halftime coming up with bad ideas, and immediately go 3 and out getting the ball back to the other team with all momentum" 2nd half strategy that they have carried over from last year.  Doug, being an AR student, should be better in this area as it is something his former mentor was good at -- come out with some adjustments after halftime and get the ball down the field.  We do the opposite -- it is like the other team is anticipating exactly what the Eagles are going to do.  Self scout and fix this, please.  It's brutal.

8.  This team needs a strategy and long term plan to get back to contention.  It is not going to be easy, and some difficult decisions may need to be made.  First and foremost, they need to get the right people in place to make those decisions.  Drafting and overall talent acquisition have not been near good enough.  If the owner is capable of an honest evaluation, he won't arrive at another conclusion that he needs to recycle the coaching staff again.  He will see quite clearly that to move forward, he is going to need some better people with control over personnel.  Once that is done, decide what you are going to do and with whom.  Do you have a franchise QB, like we thought and expected?  Great.  Commit 100% and build around that player.  You want a poor man's Lamar jackson or Kyler Murray, and want a running QB offense of the future?  Great, you have your guy there on the bench.  Either way, you must build a talented core of players that can mature together.  Unfortunately, the decisions made by the current group have allowed the clock to run out on many of the guys we have, and it has become time to at least "re-tool" the roster.  More than anything else, they need to find difference makers across all positions and start to chip away at the talent gap.

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Who we lost to, and how we lost

Redskins we're one of(if not) the worst run team in the league last year and the Eagles ran the ball 17 times, o. and they had double digit lead, o and they gave up 8 sacks

Outside of Jesus coming off the cross and telling Doug to run the ball, I dont know how many more signs he needed

 

To be fair the run blocking yesterday was abysmal. Boston Scott was running 3 yards into the backfield just to look for space and holes. I’m actually surprised we ran it 17 times. And let’s face it clement is just a guy at this point. 

39 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

It's sad how Doug and the OCs underestimated Skins and then didn't even make any adjustments - Agree, the playcalling was idiotic in the 2nd half

Also how Schwartz still had Slay not play to his strength - He had him following McLaurin.  I don't think the off coverage was the major issue.  

Wentz wanted to throw deep but the Oline just couldn't block. I'm also thinking he might still be sore since he didn't move around but after 8 sacks it might be more. Doug and the OCs failed him - Wentz had no internal clock.  

So what was the point of all of those OCs to help out when the gameplan looked like that - Fire Morninwhieg!!

At least Dallas lost too - and looked poorly coached

They replaced the injury prone Lee with the now injury prone Vander Esch - I think their defense will be trash this season which should be fun. 

54% to Jackson. So did he do that or were they limiting his use to keep him fresh for the season? I was expecting Peters to not be 100% and Jackson to be 70-90% - I don't know what happened with Jackson.  I think he was maybe dehydrated.  He did not seem right on the sideline. 

Very possible that wasn't even the best front 4 we'll face. Next week we face one the best DTs in the league  -  ugh

Do we know who they plan to replace Kelce with already on the team? I don't know what round you get quality centers from - Herbig or Seumalo

 

6 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Who we lost to, and how we lost

Redskins we're one of(if not) the worst run team in the league last year and the Eagles ran the ball 17 times, o. and they had double digit lead, o and they gave up 8 sacks

Outside of Jesus coming off the cross and telling Doug to run the ball, I dont know how many more signs he needed

 

Miles out, Scott down, the line busted to bits. Let’s not act like this was Andy Reid deciding not to run a healthy Westbrook with a 6yd average on the day. 

2 minutes ago, Br3 said:

To be fair the run blocking yesterday was abysmal. Boston Scott was running 3 yards into the backfield just to look for space and holes. I’m actually surprised we ran it 17 times. And let’s face it clement is just a guy at this point. 

They should have been passing to the RBs on first down not running them. 

17 minutes ago, greend said:

Okay guys it's 1 game, let's reign it back in a bit. 

Trade greend!!!

And not absolving any one else in their part of the loss, but can our defense every get a stop after a turn over ??

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

"Go watch how Mcvey called the game against the dominate front of the Cowboys, and then go back and watch what Doug called "

-- Tra Thomas

Comparing the Washington front to the Dallas front is so disrespectful to Washington. Dallas doesn't have a single DT that would crack Washington's lineup.

26 minutes ago, RLC said:

It is on middle-field closed (Free safety in the middle of the field). Carson threw the ball into coverage! There was no support on the sideline, so if Carson adjusts to the coverage and throws the sideline, Reagor would have been going the wrong way. This is not blaming Carson for this; that's advanced for a rookie without a full off-season of OTAs.

I'm more surprised he threw to Reagor on that play in general.

You’re overthinking it. He’s singled up against a bad safety. We should take that every single time. 

28 minutes ago, greend said:

I shut the game off with like 4 minutes left. Someone tell me did theses "tantrums" start after that?

I think people are so mad they’re complaining and exaggerating just to vent. 

Just now, downundermike said:

And not absolving any one else in their part of the loss, but can our defense every get a stop after a turn over ??

Momentum can be too hard to stop in football and it just demoralizes the defense after they just did their jobs and Carson turns the ball over and gives the other team the ball on a short field. Almost guaranteed points 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You’re overthinking it. He’s singled up against a bad safety. We should take that every single time. 

That's fair. 

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

Kinda backs up the point. 

That Mcvey, against a lesser DL played hot potato all game and Doug, against a superior DL didnt do it. 

Because you can't call what McVay did against Washington and expect it to magically work. When we ran the ball, we were getting stuffed repeatedly. 

I would have liked to have seen one called jet sweep.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think people are so mad they’re complaining and exaggerating just to vent. 

I say cut the message board, but the hosting service did that for us yesterday.

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

Cant tell you the last time the Eagles came up with a big  Turn over, or a multi turn over game. 

 

It feels like the NFCCG vs Minnesota.  

Movie was not so good but McConaughey was great as always