I see that 1) Ertz cannot play TE, and 2) Kevin Kolb is better than is Carson Wentz.

 

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

I see that 1) Ertz cannot play TE, and 2) Kevin Kolb is better than is Carson Wentz.

 

It fits with much of 2020.

2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I see that 1) Ertz cannot play TE, and 2) Kevin Kolb is better than is Carson Wentz.

 

Wentz can't throw an accurate pass consistently 3 yards right now. So as far as right now; yes, Kolb is better.

If true not a good look, Howie needs to go.

 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

There's calling him out for not producing this year... but that's not what I see happening in here.  I see a full-on bash of Zach Ertz.  The 'things he can't do'... those are things that he never did, and yet... was still highly productive and a fine part of this team for a long time.  He said he wanted to get paid, and he's having a down year... along with the rest of the team.   I get the 'trade him' talk, and calling out effort, but let's not act like he's never done anything of value or made any big plays, he's made plenty over the years.  

Yup he has made lots of plays and he's still always been a limited tight end.

Hes never been a good blocker, in fact he's atrocious as a blocker. Some of it is disinterested lack of effort and and just lack of technique.

He's never been a big yac guy, he's worked on it but with ertz one knows he isn't getting much after the catch.

He's never been a big threat in the end zone like a guy like graham or gonzalez used to be.

He's never had double digit tds in a season. 8 twice.

Graham gas double digit tds at least 5 times with a high of 16 tds in one season.

I've never been a huge Ertz fan Ive always thought he was a one dimensional high volume big slot receiver and that one skill is really good and I'm grateful that one skill helped eagles win super bowl and again I don't think because if what he did 3 years ago absolves him from any criticism this year.

Just now, downundermike said:

If true not a good look, Howie needs to go.

 

Murray would have been a bad pick. He never showed he could cover in college. Too much projection for a round 1 off ball LB.  

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

If true not a good look, Howie needs to go.

 

I just saw this. Wtf?

There's a lot of reports/rumors coming out about Howie now

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

If true not a good look, Howie needs to go.

 

Clever by half (maybe by fourth).

Just now, Mike030270 said:

I just saw this. Wtf?

There's a lot of reports/rumors coming out about Howie now

Hopefully laying the ground work.  But, what GM wants to step into the mess he has created.

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

If true not a good look, Howie needs to go.

 

All we know right now is that we really need better QBing if we're to end with a winning season. How much has Hurts played that you can make a comparison already? Howie probably needs to go, but that's not why.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Hopefully laying the ground work.  But, what GM wants to step into the mess he has created.

These types of leaks happen when people are trying to save jobs. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

These types of leaks happen when people are trying to save jobs. 

Scouts?

Schwartz?

Doug?

5 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I see that 1) Ertz cannot play TE, and 2) Kevin Kolb is better than is Carson Wentz.

 

I don't think anyone is saying he can't play TE, at least I'm not, I'm saying he can't play it anymore as well as other that he wants to get paid like.

He's lost a step and he doesn't do anything else well enough as a TE to make up for it.

When Celek was phased out of the passing game he like a lot of TEs became a great blocker. Ertz is a horrible blocker.

One can say well a guy like jimmy graham doesn't block either and yet jimmy graham is still an elite red zone threat.

Having said that Ertz has kind of gotten the shaft this year with defenses really focusing in on him due to lack of any other weapons and Wentz accuracy being off.

Even when guys were healthy seemed goedert was being targeted more than Ertz and unlike Ertz goedert blocks.

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Murray would have been a bad pick. He never showed he could cover in college. Too much projection for a round 1 off ball LB.  

Yup murray rushed the passer at alabama on passing downs, seemed like a bad projection for the eagles.

As for hurts over Chinn. Doug seemed awfully excited on the broadcast after the hurts pick, I assume if Schwartz face was shown it would have looked a lot different than Doug's🙂

 

This is such a dumb contest.

24 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

There's calling him out for not producing this year... but that's not what I see happening in here.  I see a full-on bash of Zach Ertz.  The 'things he can't do'... those are things that he never did, and yet... was still highly productive and a fine part of this team for a long time.  He said he wanted to get paid, and he's having a down year... along with the rest of the team.   I get the 'trade him' talk, and calling out effort, but let's not act like he's never done anything of value or made any big plays, he's made plenty over the years.  

I’ve always appreciated what Zach has done for the team. I think people on the board are generally way too harsh about what he can’t do and ignore what he has been able to do. He’s obviously not George Kittle and Travis Kelce but he has been a top five tight and outside of the season for the better part of 3 to 4 seasons. Now I don’t think he warrants the money that he’s asking for. And I also think he’s allowing his contract to dictate his body language and performance on the field. I’m not saying to trade him cause of that, but I am saying to trade him because if you’re not going to extend him and he’s just going to leave at the end of next year then you should maximize on his value now in a season that really even if you win the NFC East you are nowhere close to being a viable Super Bowl contender. Get the value you can for him now even with His poor performance. 

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup he has made lots of plays and he's still always been a limited tight end.

Hes never been a good blocker, in fact he's atrocious as a blocker. Some of it is disinterested lack of effort and and just lack of technique.

He's never been a big yac guy, he's worked on it but with ertz one knows he isn't getting much after the catch.

He's never been a big threat in the end zone like a guy like graham or gonzalez used to be.

He's never had double digit tds in a season. 8 twice.

Graham gas double digit tds at least 5 times with a high of 16 tds in one season.

I've never been a huge Ertz fan Ive always thought he was a one dimensional high volume big slot receiver and that one skill is really good and I'm grateful that one skill helped eagles win super bowl and again I don't think because if what he did 3 years ago absolves him from any criticism this year.

I could rebutt nearly all of this, but I won't waste my time.  Zach Ertz isn't a perfect TE, never was.  But, at his best, he was one of the best.  That day seems to be gone now, and I am sad to see that end.  I'm not absolving him from criticism for this year's play.  But, I'm also not going to watch personal vendettas against him go unresponded to.  But, no more... feel free to bash away, you and your "Things Zach Ertz can't do" gang.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ve always appreciated what Zach has done for the team. I think people on the board are generally way too harsh about what he can’t do and ignore what he has been able to do. He’s obviously not George Kittle and Travis Kelce but he has been a top five tight and outside of the season for the better part of 3 to 4 seasons. Now I don’t think he warrants the money that he’s asking for. And I also think he’s allowing his contract to dictate his body language and performance on the field. I’m not saying to trade him cause of that, but I am saying to trade him because if you’re not going to extend him and he’s just going to leave at the end of next year then you should maximize on his value now in a season that really even if you win the NFC East you are nowhere close to being a viable Super Bowl contender. Get the value you can for him now even with His poor performance. 

I've got no problem with any of that.

 

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

  But, no more... feel free to bash away, you and your "Things Zach Ertz can't do" gang.

😋

26 minutes ago, downundermike said:

If true not a good look, Howie needs to go.

 

Not buying this one.  Murray was one of my choices for the pick at #21 but the Eagles never even had him in for a visit; they did have a visit with Patrick Queen IIRC.  If Caplan was asserting Queen I’d believe it more.

Murray would have been a very good pick for a team sorely needing a playmaker on defense.  Believe it or not, you can coach a LB in coverage skills.

25 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Hopefully laying the ground work.  But, what GM wants to step into the mess he has created.

The Eagles are known to be a good organization with a good owner, great facilities, free agents have signed with them, players that join from other teams have positive comments.

The fact that Lurie has stuck with Howie this long, and stuck with Reid for too many years after he should have shows the new GM would have their chance to prove themselves.

I also wouldn't think they just hire another GM from another team but rather someone who worked under a GM ready to step up.  Kind of the same deal as Joe Douglas except hired as the GM not just VP of Personnel.  Same concept as hiring a coordinator or position coach as a first time head coach.

It's a good market, Lurie isn't cheap and will give you the resources you need, he's been hands off (until recent rumors).  There is a mess with the cap so there would be a roster purge and fire sale to collect picks. But there are some pieces to build on with young talent in Sanders, Goedert, Reagor, some developing O linemen and a great O line coach.  The QB situation would be interesting but I wouldn't expect immediate changes.  The defense needs a complete overhaul though.

I think it would be an attractive place.  I would assume the new GM would realize the cap situation and Lurie and team would understand it might take a couple years of drafting to rebuild around the young guys.

I've always appreciated Ertz for what he does but he's always been a wuss.  

He's a finesse, possession TE.  If that's the type of player you want then fine.  But I'd prefer players at that position to be strong and physical.  Even a little mean and nasty.

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

I've always appreciated Ertz for what he does but he's always been a wuss.  

He's a finesse, possession TE.  If that's the type of player you want then fine.  But I'd prefer players at that position to be strong and physical.  Even a little mean and nasty.

That’s fine and all but usually if you have that type of Guy they are going to miss time Every season. When you play that way you are going to get banged up more. George Kittle missed time the last two years. Rob Gronkowski he missed time. Dallas Goedert he’s missed time. Those type of tight ends we might love more but they also get banged up more so that’s the downside of having that type of tight end. Now I would still take it but you have to understand there’s a higher chance they’re going to miss time and a higher chance that they have shorter careers because of that physicality  every season. Really the only one over the last five years that hasn’t missed time and is that type of tight end is Travis Kelce and I think he’s more of the outlier than the norm with a player of that nature at that position

11 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Not buying this one.  Murray was one of my choices for the pick at #21 but the Eagles never even had him in for a visit.

The also never had Jalen Hurts in for a visit, and no other meetings, combine, shrine games etc where ever reported.

https://www.walterfootball.com/ProspectMeetings/ByTeam

28 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

This is such a dumb contest.

Lol Doug isn't going to go for a kick that's 60yds