Based off that report that might’ve been what Jim Schwartz wanted to do but they were never ever ever going to take a linebacker at 21. It was always going to be a wide receiver. Even though it probably shouldn’t. they should go best valuable player there, they were never going anywhere else but wide receiver. Because they put themselves in a position where they basically had to do that because they did nearly nothing at that position or off-season and they had Not yet made that Goodwin trade.

The chinn part I would believe. I also kind of believe that if jaylon Johnson was there at 53 he was also in consideration but he went to picks before the Eagles

23 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Not buying this one.  Murray was one of my choices for the pick at #21 but the Eagles never even had him in for a visit; they did have a visit with Patrick Queen IIRC.  If Caplan was asserting Queen I’d believe it more.

Murray would have been a very good pick for a team sorely needing a playmaker on defense.  Believe it or not, you can coach a LB in coverage skills.

I don’t think it’s wise to take an LB who didn’t actually cover in college. Too much guesswork for round 1, especially for a devalued position. 

19 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I've always appreciated Ertz for what he does but he's always been a wuss.  

He's a finesse, possession TE.  If that's the type of player you want then fine.  But I'd prefer players at that position to be strong and physical.  Even a little mean and nasty.

 

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That’s fine and all but usually if you have that type of Guy they are going to miss time Every season. When you play that way you are going to get banged up more. George Kittle missed time the last two years. Rob Gronkowski he missed time. Dallas Goedert he’s missed time. Those type of tight ends we might love more but they also get banged up more so that’s the downside of having that type of tight end. Now I would still take it but you have to understand there’s a higher chance they’re going to miss time and a higher chance that they have shorter careers because of that physicality  every season. Really the only one over the last five years that hasn’t missed time and is that type of tight end is Travis Kelce and I think he’s more of the outlier than the norm with a player of that nature at that position

That's a good point and it's true.  I'd still rather have someone more dynamic and physical even if they miss a game here or there.

46 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup murray rushed the passer at alabama on passing downs, seemed like a bad projection for the eagles.

As for hurts over Chinn. Doug seemed awfully excited on the broadcast after the hurts pick, I assume if Schwartz face was shown it would have looked a lot different than Doug's🙂

I think Murray fit really well here as a downhill LB, but how valuable is a LB who isn’t good in coverage? 

He has the athleticism to do it, but we’ve seen a lot of athletic LBs come into the league and stink at coverage. 

51 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Scouts?

Schwartz?

Doug?

Schwartz, clearly. He’s going to leak stuff like that to say he was hamstrung by the GM and is why his defense is so bad 

46 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

This is such a dumb contest.

That's like having a contest where you can win a Hyundai Palisade if Nate Gerry doesn't allow any TD receptions to TEs in a season.  

I'd much rather have a celek than an ertz. He might not have ever been top 5 but definitely was top 10 and did it all and never complained. Celek was an absolute terror to tackle, dude never went down on first contact. He hurdled ed Reed. I appreciate ertz's contributions to the super bowl season but I have never liked his style.

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think Murray fit really well here as a downhill LB, but how valuable is a LB who isn’t good in coverage? 

He has the athleticism to do it, but we’ve seen a lot of athletic LBs come into the league and stink at coverage. 

Yup seen plenty of them on the eagles. Ernie the shark sims was a freak athlete and couldn't cover a sock puppet.

A guy they should have never let go was shawn barber he could cover.

He got big bucks from KC and eagles got a bow tie salesman at LB☹️ who was athletic and couldn't cover

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Schwartz, clearly. He’s going to leak stuff like that to say he was hamstrung by the GM and is why his defense is so bad 

Agreed. 

5 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

That's like having a contest where you can win a Hyundai Palisade if Nate Gerry doesn't allow any TD receptions to TEs in a season.  

or in a game......

We should also mention that maybe Schwartz’s side is leaking this stuff in retaliation for that McLane article that said Schwartz was to blame for some personnel decisions last year. 

Photos leaked of Schwartz and Roseman fighting about who's to blame for the defense:

1 minute ago, devpool said:

I'd much rather have a celek than an ertz. He might not have ever been top 5 but definitely was top 10 and did it all and never complained. Celek was an absolute terror to tackle, dude never went down on first contact. He hurdled ed Reed. I appreciate ertz's contributions to the super bowl season but I have never liked his style.

That's exactly how I feel.  Remember his first few seasons when he caught a pass he'd just go down.  I remember him complaining about practices being too physical when Doug first took over.  Even when he had his best seasons and some were saying he's the best TE in football, I still didnt buy it.

Again, he's had a good career.  He's a redzone target and a chain mover.  A possession TE.  Nothing wrong with that.  

17 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

That's a good point and it's true.  I'd still rather have someone more dynamic and physical even if they miss a game here or there.

That’s fine. I just think the fact besides his kidney issue which was more due to a poor throw then himself he’s out there week in and week out and productive. Not saying i wouldn’t either just that there’s a give and take with it. 

40 minutes ago, NOTW said:

The Eagles are known to be a good organization with a good owner, great facilities, free agents have signed with them, players that join from other teams have positive comments.

The fact that Lurie has stuck with Howie this long, and stuck with Reid for too many years after he should have shows the new GM would have their chance to prove themselves.

I also wouldn't think they just hire another GM from another team but rather someone who worked under a GM ready to step up.  Kind of the same deal as Joe Douglas except hired as the GM not just VP of Personnel.  Same concept as hiring a coordinator or position coach as a first time head coach.

It's a good market, Lurie isn't cheap and will give you the resources you need, he's been hands off (until recent rumors).  There is a mess with the cap so there would be a roster purge and fire sale to collect picks. But there are some pieces to build on with young talent in Sanders, Goedert, Reagor, some developing O linemen and a great O line coach.  The QB situation would be interesting but I wouldn't expect immediate changes.  The defense needs a complete overhaul though.

I think it would be an attractive place.  I would assume the new GM would realize the cap situation and Lurie and team would understand it might take a couple years of drafting to rebuild around the young guys.

Yup.  This is a GOOD place in the NFL with stability and TIME offered.  The exception being Chip Kelly and his stupidity.  

41 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I've always appreciated Ertz for what he does but he's always been a wuss.  

He's a finesse, possession TE.  If that's the type of player you want then fine.  But I'd prefer players at that position to be strong and physical.  Even a little mean and nasty.

That's not the point, but ok. 

22 minutes ago, Utebird said:

 

Look you'll get no argument for me about Celek.  He's one of my top 3 all-time Eagles.  I met him randomly one day at a WAWA in Media before Wentz' rookie year and had a quick conversation with him about Carson.  He was genuinely nice about it and was extremely polite.  Celek was a grinder, a team first guy and always willing to do the dirty work.  I still wish there was a way to get him that one more reception and those yards he needs for the milestone, but to me... he already has them, because he slid in that blizzard game against Detroit rather than take the glory of a meaningless TD.  He slid to 'ice' the game, literally...

And I think (and have gone on record to say) he gave up a LOT of stats he could have had when they drafted Ertz and Brent became the No.1 BLOCKING TE, and if they were going to have a 12 personnel look and one was going to stay in and block and the other go out in a pattern... it would be Celek blocking.  And he had no issue with that.  That was his role.  And he SHOULD have been placed into the Eagles' Ring of Honor or whatever this year, or even last year for that matter.  One of the most 'Eagles' players ever to put on the uniform.

I don’t think Schwartz has very much to complain about when it comes to Howie; the Eagles spent all of their FA $$ on Schwartz’s side of the ball with the Slay And Hargrave signings, bringing in NRC and Will Parks, bringing back McLeod and Mills.

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup.  This is a GOOD place in the NFL with stability and TIME offered.  The exception being Chip Kelly and his stupidity.  

 

Well, Chip was given the keys so he had the opportunity.  He just ruined things so fast that his time was up from his own doing.  Any sensible GM prospect would realize what Chip did and not expect he would have as short a leash.  

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I don’t think Schwartz has very much to complain about when it comes to Howie; the Eagles spent all of their FA $$ on Schwartz’s side of the ball with the Slay And Hargrave signings, bringing in NRC and Will Parks, bringing back McLeod and Mills.

They can't draft defense for crap.  They've had to bring in free agents because of that.  NRC, Mills and Parks are average players at best.  McLeod is ok and he was with Jim in Detroit.  The LBs are garbage and the secondary are all average at best except for Slay, and some of them are downright terrible.

Schwartz has his own issues. None of this is working because Howie can't draft and Schwartz can't adjust to coach players up or make them work in his scheme.  Both need to go.

 

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

They can't draft defense for crap.  They've had to bring in free agents because of that.  NRC, Mills and Parks are average players at best.  McLeod is ok and he was with Jim in Detroit.  The LBs are garbage and the secondary are all average at best except for Slay, and some of them are downright terrible.

Schwartz has his own issues. None of this is working because Howie can't draft and Schwartz can't adjust to coach players up or make them work in his scheme.  Both need to go.

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Well, Chip was given the keys so he had the opportunity.  He just ruined things so fast that his time was up from his own doing.  Any sensible GM prospect would realize what Chip did and not expect he would have as short a leash.  

No doubt.  Lurie was absolutely in the right when he pulled the plug on Chip so fast.  He gave Chip what he wanted, full authority.  But, with full authority comes full responsibility.  He didn't produce, he lost the locker room, and so he lost his job.  

Rhodes had 4 years, and steadily declined each year.  It was time.  Reid got a longer line, because Reid also had much more success than the others.  Similarly, I think Doug will get a longer line because of SBLII.  Howie might also, though.  

 

Personally, I'm still pissed that we didn't get to keep Reich and Doug together longer than we did.  Those two seemed like a perfect match, and I don't think either will have the success alone as they had together.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

My bad.  

6 minutes ago, NOTW said:

McLeod is ok and he was with Jim in Detroit.

He came from the Rams buddy