9 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I wouldn't count on Sanders for the future. It's a little cold blooded but I think we need to start doing that with players getting injured. Stop being emotional. Same goes for Brooks and Lane. I think the team needs to look for their replacements

I don’t think we’re counting on Sanders for the future because I don’t think they’re going to give him his second contract. I wouldn’t be surprised if they franchise tag him in his fifth year. But I don’t see this organization giving out a big money contract to a running back like they used too. I get they did it with McCoy and with Westbrook and even murray but I don’t see them after that doing such. However I do think they learned a lesson that you can’t just ignore running back and just assume you’re going to find one. I do think they learned a lesson that you might have to take a running back earlier than what they would like in a draft 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think we’re counting on Sanders for the future because I don’t think they’re going to give him his second contract. I wouldn’t be surprised if they franchise tag him in his fifth year. But I don’t see this organization giving out a big money contract to a running back like they used too. I get they did it with McCoy and with Westbrook and even murray but I don’t see them after that doing such. However I do think they learned a lesson that you can’t just ignore running back and just assume you’re going to find one. I do think they learned a lesson that you might have to take a running back earlier than what they would like in a draft 

If they don't want to pay Sanders they should seriously consider dealing him this offseason.  He'll be at peak value with 2 dirt cheap years remaining on his rookie deal.

I fully expect him to hold out before his 4th and final season, so I'm only banking on us getting 1 more cheap year out of him.  Of course that has value to us if we think we can contend next year.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Ok.  Well, we use different books then.  To me, a drop is when you are untouched and there's no defender hanging on your back.  Sanders' and Hightower's were drops.  Fulgham's was a contested catch.  It was by no means an 'easy' catch either.  Its a play that many NFL players make, and many others don't. 

And the ones who don’t make it dropped the ball. 😎

In the field, in baseball, there are plays to be made that look great when you catch it and look like an error when you don't.  

Some catches in football are like that.

3 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

If they don't want to pay Sanders they should seriously consider dealing him this offseason.  He'll be at peak value with 2 dirt cheap years remaining on his rookie deal.

I fully expect him to hold out before his 4th and final season, so I'm only banking on us getting 1 more cheap year out of him.  Of course that has value to us if we think we can contend next year.

Just playing along with this, what do you think they’re going to get for Miles Sanders? He’s shown to have some injury prone issues but is great when he plays. He’s also going to need a new contract at the end of 2021 when he’s eligible otherwise he likely sits out. so whoever is trading for him is going to have to also pay him. I don’t think you’re going to get the value that we think we’re going to get for him. I would have to look at running back who have been traded over the last 10 years but besides Trent Richardson which was grossly stupid I don’t think teams have gotten the best value for RBs in the trade market 

30 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Depends what narrative you want to go with.  RT ruined Dillard.  Bouncing around ruined Winston Justice. Too much cross-training ruined JJAW.

I don't necessarily believe all of that, but if you believe Mailata is the LT of the future, you leave him there.  I'm actually intrigued by him at RT with Dillard at LT, so I have mixed feelings on it.

Agreed. He needs experience and he's comfotable at LT. If you wanna experiment do it in the off season.

Been sacked 16 and QB hit 37 times over the last 3 weeks. Some of them are also on him holding it too long. 

38 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't mind seeing an athletic rookie get continued opportunities despite clearly being a deer in headlights.  They kind of gave up on Shelton Gibson early, who really looked like an identical player at this point in his career.  Very similar.  In Gibson's case, however, they had other options.

That said, I don't see why they don't mix in a little Watkins.  We know both can run downfield and both aren't ready.  I don't see why they are only seasoning 1 in the frying pan.

Hightower has already gotten open on more routes in 6 games than Gibson did in his entire career.  This is a perfect time for him to get through the rookie challenges.

I will point out again that, while the Eagles have a horrible short-term injury crunch, they have not been nearly as unlucky or devastated by injuries as you might think, or as some other teams in the league.

Yes, I'm aware of how far down the depth chart and practice squad they reached to field an OL.

If Isaac Seumalo returns, they will have lost only 2 starters to season ending injuries: Brooks and Dillard.  Through 6 games of action, they will have lost ZERO starters to season ending injuries.  

0 games lost to COVID, 0 ACL injuries, 0 in-season achilles (the only one we did have was in a player with pre-existing risk in the offseason), 1 broken bone, 0 games lost to concussion protocol.

One unlucky and somewhat intriguing trend is that nearly every backup who has been thrown into the lineup due to injury has gotten hurt themselves.  THAT might actually be a preparation/conditioning issue.

This is pretty awesome. Great heads up coaching from Vrabel. 

 

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Hightower has already gotten open on more routes in 6 games than Gibson did in his entire career.  This is a perfect time for him to get through the rookie challenges.

Yes sir.  Keep throwing it to him.  If nothing else, the defense has to believe we will throw deep.

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

Hightower has already gotten open on more routes in 6 games than Gibson did in his entire career.  This is a perfect time for him to get through the rookie challenges.

Was I happy that high tower drop that ball? No because that’s a cat she should make routinely. However I also knew this was part of his problem at Boise State and he was going to have to work through it at the NFL level and playing way before he should’ve been playing. He’s a fifth round pick that should not even be playing the amount of snaps he is and yet he’s finding a way to run a good route to get open but not finishing it. I think these reps today and this season are going to wind up ultimately helping him down the road. I would love to see high tower next year  With a full off-season of work with the coaching staff and coaches because I think he’s gonna be better than what people think next year

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just playing along with this, what do you think they’re going to get for Miles Sanders? He’s shown to have some injury prone issues but is great when he plays. He’s also going to need a new contract at the end of 2021 when he’s eligible otherwise he likely sits out. so whoever is trading for him is going to have to also pay him. I don’t think you’re going to get the value that we think we’re going to get for him. I would have to look at running back who have been traded over the last 10 years but besides Trent Richardson which was grossly stupid I don’t think teams have gotten the best value for RBs in the trade market 

I don't know what we can get for Sanders, but we'll get far more this offseason when he has 2 years left, then next year when he'll only have 1 year left and will be holding out for a huge new contract.

Obviously if the offer isn't enough (1st?) then we can always keep him.

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Hightower has already gotten open on more routes in 6 games than Gibson did in his entire career.  This is a perfect time for him to get through the rookie challenges.

Gibson never played.  He could get open.

34 minutes ago, manz2821 said:

They always seem to get a few absolutely trash oline men. Brown is in the category of Stacy Andrews and Demetress Bell

Do you realize that you're criticizing OL #11?  Bell and Andrews were brought in here to start.  Brown was brought in out of desperation.

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Hightower has already gotten open on more routes in 6 games than Gibson did in his entire career.  This is a perfect time for him to get through the rookie challenges.

He can still get snaps, but I hope they’re dialed back some. He’s still a net negative. 

4 hours ago, bpac55 said:

"The Eagles are giving a lot of snaps to late round rookies that are hurting the team. While the individual player will take the brunt of the blame, it’s important to say the Eagles are setting up their rookies to fail. Driscoll, Bradley and Hightower are given massive responsibility as late round picks and we’re somehow all shocked when the team struggles.

 

This is directly related to the lack of impact from early round picks. Jalen Reagor isn’t on the field. Jalen Hurts, while dynamic, is a gimmick and Davion Taylor looks like he is playing a different sport. Meanwhile you have rookie receivers all over the league that are balling out. Almost at a comical rate. Sure, it’s early in the season and even earlier in the careers of these players, but today was a microcosm of how the front office has failed the team and the coaching staff’s piss-poor management has failed the players."

This is the reason for optimism, sure Reagor is hurt, but Reagor/Fulgham/Ward is a solid trio. Ward is turning into a good slot WR, the role of these guys isn't to make big plays but get open quickly and give their QB a good target, and he's doing that consistently, when he dropped one it was unexpected, and balanced by the great sideline catch. JJAW was a bad pick, but he might become a good H-back if they're smart enough to move him there. Hightower needs work on hands catching, but he consistently beats CBs one on one, even good ones, and that forces teams to give safety help. So miss on the 2nd, but hit on a UDFA, SFA, and 5th rd pick, and Reagor was looking like the big play guy we desperately need.

Hurts is dynamic, he may be a gimmick, but many offensive players picked in the late 2nd rd are gimmicks. And he's a heck of an insurance policy. I was surprised how explosive he was as a runner, it's hard to judge watching Big 12 football, but seeing him flummox defenders on a top defense and you know he's special as a runner.

Taylor was a project, how many late 3rd rd LBs start as rookies? Better to bet on upside as we move into a rebuild (whether they call it that or not). I have no problem gambling on upside at that point in the draft, same with Sweatt, took three years, now he looks like a 4th rd steal. Edwards looked like a solid 2 down LB, then he gets hurt.

Dillard is troubling, but some bad luck there, and more than balanced by Mailata, who may turn turn out to be an all time draft steal who Howie traded up to grab. Herbig (UDFA), Driscoll (5th), nice depth being forced to start, Toth got whipped his first play then settled in, they were unhappy when he was claimed and happy to get him back. Driscoll isn't a RT, but the experience will serve him well as a backup, his future is at LG or C.

They're just snakebit, 4th rd pick Wallace was coming on, no injury history, he goes down.

If you want to rebuild quickly, you have to hit on later day picks, and Howie has a good record the last few years.

Best thing they can do is avoid FAs, get extra picks, and keep building young depth the next couple years as they shed salary and get the cap under control.

Just now, eagle45 said:

Gibson never played.  He could get open.

Disagree.  He had speed.  Couldn't run a route tree.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I will point out again that, while the Eagles have a horrible short-term injury crunch, they have not been nearly as unlucky or devastated by injuries as you might think, or as some other teams in the league.

Yes, I'm aware of how far down the depth chart and practice squad they reached to field an OL.

If Isaac Seumalo returns, they will have lost only 2 starters to season ending injuries: Brooks and Dillard.  Through 6 games of action, they will have lost ZERO starters to season ending injuries.  

0 games lost to COVID, 0 ACL injuries, 0 in-season achilles (the only one we did have was in a player with pre-existing risk in the offseason), 1 broken bone, 0 games lost to concussion protocol.

One unlucky and somewhat intriguing trend is that nearly every backup who has been thrown into the lineup due to injury has gotten hurt themselves.  THAT might actually be a preparation/conditioning issue.

This is some serious mental gymnastics. 

47 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Yup.  If we can transition to Dillard/Mailata as bookends, it gives the whole team a new outlook moving forward.  Then we can focus the draft on getting Wentz weapons early and use the bulk of the mid-rounds on interior OL and OL depth.  Suddenly the team has a young foundation.

I think it's possible Mailata may end up a better fit at RT anyway.  He's so enormous and may end up being exposed a bit against speed rushers, even after he acclimates to the game.

I'll tell you right now...I don't think Lane and Brooks will ever start more than 8 games together in a season again.

I'd be very interested to move Lane in the offseason.

LT- Dillard

LG- Herbig

C- Seumalo

RG- Driscoll

RT- Mailata

Swing tackle- Prince

 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Gibson never played.  He could get open.

Not really. 

Just now, Arsenal79 said:

I don't know what we can get for Sanders, but we'll get far more this offseason when he has 2 years left, then next year when he'll only have 1 year left and will be holding out for a huge new contract.

Obviously if the offer isn't enough (1st?) then we can always keep him.

No team would offer a 1st for Sanders.  

I actually think Josh Sweat is the only player on the entire roster who could be traded for a higher value than his original draft status.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Not really. 

He had many problems; getting open wasn't one of them.   It's simply revisionist history.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I will point out again that, while the Eagles have a horrible short-term injury crunch, they have not been nearly as unlucky or devastated by injuries as you might think, or as some other teams in the league.

Yes, I'm aware of how far down the depth chart and practice squad they reached to field an OL.

If Isaac Seumalo returns, they will have lost only 2 starters to season ending injuries: Brooks and Dillard.  Through 6 games of action, they will have lost ZERO starters to season ending injuries.  

0 games lost to COVID, 0 ACL injuries, 0 in-season achilles (the only one we did have was in a player with pre-existing risk in the offseason), 1 broken bone, 0 games lost to concussion protocol.

One unlucky and somewhat intriguing trend is that nearly every backup who has been thrown into the lineup due to injury has gotten hurt themselves.  THAT might actually be a preparation/conditioning issue.

Yes.  The currently injured players are not out for the REST OF THE season.  BUT THEY ARE NOT AVAILABLE NOW.  That means injuries have impacted the entire season so far.

Try again.

Just now, eagle45 said:

He had many problems; getting open wasn't one of them.   It's simply revisionist history.

I think you’re the one revising history.