1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I really do not want to do a Julio Jones trade simply because he’s had issues staying healthy and he’s 32. If I’m gonna make a trade for a wide receiver then I’m calling the Lions. There’s been no contract extension talk and I was listening to Sirius and they had a lions reporter on there saying golladay is not happy. His contracts up at the end of the year and he’s just gonna get franchise tag next year. I’m curious if the Lions would be willing to part with him.

Not sure of his contract details but the guy I’d want is OBJ. 

9 minutes ago, JayEcho said:

fulgatron on a thursday night promo:

#FulghamFever 

8 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Not sure of his contract details but the guy I’d want is OBJ. 

Rather have golladay. Last year he was 7th in receiving yards, 3rd in yards per catch and 1st in td receptions 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Gotta be Wilson. The others will put you in the hospital 

Anyone could watch Hill blow past him.  That’s actually the primary one that we could all do just as well as Gerry.

17 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Not sure of his contract details but the guy I’d want is OBJ. 

it's not only obj's contract, but the browns are also winning.  sure, the wheels could come off..  but trading for obj right now would cost a TON.  i've said this before, but the browns may ask for carson in return along with a first and other picks.  and why wouldn't they?  who else would you want on this roster that would be of value?  if you say they have mayfield, that would mean didly.  you bench mayfield and put carson on the field.  browns would argue we drafted hurts, so we have a qb to step in.  and it's not like we didn't make a drafted qb step in his first year.

and if NOT carson, it would be MULTIPLE first round picks.  maybe 3 first rounders and a couple second and third rounders to boot.  again, they are winning and have obj locked down.  they don't need to trade him.  they would rather keep him.  you have to pry him from them and that means an crazy offer.  then you have to deal with NOT having carson / potential picks AND the cap ramifications afterwards.  there are too many holes on this team to give up that much.

NOT WORTH.

I’ll be interested to see if the Giants shadow Fulgham with Bradberry. He shadowed Allen Robinson, who Fulgham kinda resembles physically — big, physical, not overly fast. He did not shadow Terry McLaurin, but he’s a bad matchup speed-wise. 

If he holds his own against Bradberry, that will go a long way in determining whether Fulgham has staying power. 

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Anyone could watch Hill blow past him.  That’s actually the primary one that we could all do just as well as Gerry.

True. I figured you would at least have to try and probably blow your hammy at best 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

True. I figured you would at least have to try and probably blow your hammy at best 

I’d sit on the slant and tear both patellar tendons as he buckled my knees on the double move. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I’ll be interested to see if the Giants shadow Fulgham with Bradberry. He shadowed Allen Robinson, who Fulgham kinda resembles physically — big, physical, not overly fast. He did not shadow Terry McLaurin, but he’s a bad matchup speed-wise. 

If he holds his own against Bradberry, that will go a long way in determining whether Fulgham has staying power. 

...so you're saying thursday is the REAL test? 

i see the steelers and ravens had pansy defenses now. GIANTS are the REAL test for fulgatron.  

9 minutes ago, JayEcho said:

it's not only obj's contract, but the browns are also winning.  sure, the wheels could come off..  but trading for obj right now would cost a TON.  i've said this before, but the browns may ask for carson in return along with a first and picks.  and why wouldn't they?  who else would you want on this roster that would be of value?  if you say the have mayfield, that would mean didly.  you bench mayfield and put carson on the field.  browns would argue we drafted hurts, so we have a qb to step in.  and it's not like we didn't make a drafted qb step in his first year.

and if NOT carson, it would be MULTIPLE first round picks.  maybe 3 and a couple second and third rounders to boot.  again, they are winning and have obj locked down.  they don't need to trade him.  they would rather keep him.  you have to pry him from them and that means an crazy offer.  then you have to deal with NOT having carson / potential picks AND the cap ramifications afterwards.  there are too many holes on this team to give up that much.

NOT WORTH.

Yeah I don’t see the Browns asking for Carson wentz cause they know it wouldn’t happen. Plus they wouldn’t want to absorb that type of contact with mayfield also on the roster. And I kind of think the Browns want to get out of that OBJ contract if they could because he’s a pain and not worth the money.

I actually think the Browns would ask for Jalen hurts if they believe Jalen hurts could be a starting quarterback. That makes more sense to me for the Browns if they believe he is starting caliber. And he is cheap for the next three years. So you could get out of OBJ’s contract which is a lot of money and not have to pay a quarterback a lot of money when you’re still gonna have to somewhat pay baker Mayfield due to that no. 1 overall pick contract

That said I wouldn’t want OBJ because he’s a pain in the ass and he’s not been nearly as good over the last four years. He’s either missed time due to injury or when he’s played he’s been OK not great for what he’s being paid. This year he’s on pace for 850 yards and 6 touchdowns. He’s really only had 2 good games all season And they came against Dallas and the bengals. Can say it’s on Baker Mayfield but it’s not like he had a great quarterback as a giant at as Eli Manning was in decline at that stage of his career.

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’ll be interested to see if the Giants shadow Fulgham with Bradberry. He shadowed Allen Robinson, who Fulgham kinda resembles physically — big, physical, not overly fast. He did not shadow Terry McLaurin, but he’s a bad matchup speed-wise. 

If he holds his own against Bradberry, that will go a long way in determining whether Fulgham has staying power. 

Yup had the same thought today as well. Bradberry prefers matchups like fulgham. Bradberry is a inch shorter but same arm length and i believe close to the same wing span. It’s why i actually think desean/reagor would kill the giants in this matchup. I do not think the giants want to put bradberry on either of those guys cause their speed would hurt him. So you are getting poor corners on both desean/reagor. High chance desean if he stays on the field Thursday could have a big game. 

11 minutes ago, JayEcho said:

it's not only obj's contract, but the browns are also winning.  sure, the wheels could come off..  but trading for obj right now would cost a TON.  i've said this before, but the browns may ask for carson in return along with a first and other picks.  and why wouldn't they?  who else would you want on this roster that would be of value?  if you say they have mayfield, that would mean didly.  you bench mayfield and put carson on the field.  browns would argue we drafted hurts, so we have a qb to step in.  and it's not like we didn't make a drafted qb step in his first year.

and if NOT carson, it would be MULTIPLE first round picks.  maybe 3 first rounders and a couple second and third rounders to boot.  again, they are winning and have obj locked down.  they don't need to trade him.  they would rather keep him.  you have to pry him from them and that means an crazy offer.  then you have to deal with NOT having carson / potential picks AND the cap ramifications afterwards.  there are too many holes on this team to give up that much.

NOT WORTH.

You’re getting carried away.  CLE only paid a 1st, 3rd, and Peppers for Beckham when they got him.  He’s not even a top five WR in the NFL anymore.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah I don’t see the Browns asking for Carson wentz cause they know it wouldn’t happen. Plus they wouldn’t want to absorb that type of contact with mayfield also on the roster. 

I actually think the Browns would ask for Jalen hurts if they believe Jalen hurts could be a starting quarterback. That makes more sense to me for the Browns if they believe he is starting caliber. 

That said I wouldn’t want OBJ because he’s a pain in the ass and he’s not been nearly as good over the last four years. He’s either missed time due to injury or when he’s played he’s been OK not great for what he’s being paid. This year he’s on pace for 850 yards and 6 touchdowns. He’s really only had 2 good games all season And they came against Dallas and the bengals. Can say it’s on Baker Mayfield but it’s not like he had a great quarterback as a giant at as Eli Manning was in decline at that stage of his career.

you don't ask for reality in the initial phase of talks.  eagles could call and inquire, but the browns would be the ones driving the talks.  we wouldn't have leverage in it, they would have the player we want.  and it's often said, the most important position on the field is the guy under center.  a team with a franchise qb calls asking about a guy on your team...  when the guy under center for your team is not better than theirs...  in fact, not even in the same tier of qb..  you go for their franchise qb.

if they ask for anyone else, eagles would look like they fleeced them, at a time when they are winning.

but we both agree, we do not want obj, even if it's for different reasons. 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

You’re getting carried away.  CLE only paid a 1st, 3rd, and Peppers for Beckham when they got him.  He’s not even a top five WR in the NFL anymore.

we are in a different situation than cleveland.  each trade (imho) is a case-by-case basis.  we NEED a wr more than the browns did when they traded for obj initially.  i think they already had landry on their roster.  a wr many also see as elite at his position.

we do not have a guy like that on the roster currently.  so they would be in a position to plunder, and plunder they should.  again, they are winning (currently) and have no reason to let obj go.  to get him you have to blow them away.  my trades are outlandish, but if i was on the browns, it's exactly what i'd ask for.  why do favors, especially for a guy who could once again turn into a superstar with a qb like wentz throwing to him?  i would want to make my org. better, not theirs.

1 minute ago, JayEcho said:

you don't ask for reality in the initial phase of talks.  eagles could call and inquire, but the browns would be the ones driving the talks.  we wouldn't have leverage in it, they would have the player we want.  and it's often said, the most important position on the field is the guy under center.  a team with a franchise qb calls asking about a guy on your team...  when the guy under center for your team is not better than theirs...  in fact, not even in the same tier of qb..  you go for their franchise qb.

if they ask for anyone else, eagles would look like they fleeced them, at a time when they are winning.

but we both agree, we do not want obj, even if it's for different reasons. 

Are we under the assumption the Browns still want to keep him? I don’t think the Browns want him on the roster as bad as you think. He’s really not been greatly productive this year. He’s on pace for 850 yards and 6 tds making a ton of money. Also This past weekend he had another incident on the sidelines with fans and there’s not even that many fans in the stadium.

I want to say 2-3 weeks ago on Sirius they were talking to a Browns reporter who said a source told him if the Browns were able to get a second round pick from someone they would consider dealing him away just not to deal with his antics anymore. It was around the time of the poop obj story  

I don’t think the Browns are all that enamored with him anymore. You have to remember it wasn’t that regime that brought in obj. 

again with the Browns ask for that? Maybe but I think they already know the answer to that is going to be a resounding no.  And I don’t think anybody else in around the league is going to give them more than just a second round pick at this stage with him being hurt 2 times in the last 3 years and not nestle as productive over the last 3 years as he was in NY. 

if I’m the Browns and I consider Jalen hurts as a viable starting quarterback in this league then I would ask the Eagles for That. If they believe he can play and start then he’s a cheap contract for three more years and I’m getting extremely good value for OBJ

23 minutes ago, JayEcho said:

...so you're saying thursday is the REAL test? 

i see the steelers and ravens had pansy defenses now. GIANTS are the REAL test for fulgatron.  

I’d say shadow coverage from a pretty good corner is a pretty good test. Bradberry is playing really well right now. It would also be his fourth straight good game as teams get more film on him. 

16 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You’re getting carried away.  CLE only paid a 1st, 3rd, and Peppers for Beckham when they got him.  He’s not even a top five WR in the NFL anymore.

He might not even be in the top 15 anymore. Go look at the last two seasons he’s not finished in the top 15 in yards or touchdowns or receptions. He’s not nearly as good over the last three years as he was in New York. He’s also been hurt in two of the last three seasons. He’s not nearly as good as he once was, he’s making a ton of money and he’s a pain in the ass as he got into a shouting match with fans on the sidelines this past weekend and with his coaches. On top of all that new GM and regime that weren’t the ones that brought him in there

last year was 28th in receptions, 26th in receiving yards and 67th in tds. 

2018 was 22nd in receptions, 18th in receiving yards and 28th in tds and got hurt 

not going to lie there’s about 15 wrs id take over him right now: julio, Adams, golladay, Hopkins, Thomas, hill, DK metcalf, Mike Evans, godwin, aj brown, mclaurin, thielen, diggs, Keenan Allen and some of the rookies like lamb, Jefferson and claypool. 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Are we under the assumption the Browns still want to keep him? I don’t think the Browns want him on the roster as bad as you think. He’s really not been greatly productive this year. He’s on pace for 850 yards and 6 tds making a ton of money. Also This past weekend he had another incident on the sidelines with fans and there’s not even that many fans in the stadium.

I want to say 2-3 weeks ago on Sirius they were talking to a Browns reporter who said a source told him if the Browns were able to get a second round pick from someone they would consider dealing him away just not to deal with his antics anymore. It was around the time of the poop obj story  

I don’t think the Browns are all that enamored with him anymore. You have to remember it wasn’t that regime that brought in obj. 

again with the Browns ask for that? Maybe but I think they already know the answer to that is going to be a resounding no.  And I don’t think anybody else in around the league is going to give them more than just a second round pick at this stage with him being hurt 2 times in the last 3 years and not nestle as productive over the last 3 years as he was in NY. 

if I’m the Browns and I consider Jalen hurts as a viable starting quarterback in this league then I would ask the Eagles for That. If they believe he can play and start then he’s a cheap contract for three more years and I’m getting extremely good value for OBJ

as much as i want the browns to fix our mistake by asking for hurts...  i don't think he would be the qb they'd target.  and if they cannot get that qb, i believe that would go for pick(s).

(imho) each trade should be looked at case-by-case.  browns would know we need a receiver more than they want to let go of one of theirs.  their asking price from us might be different than their asking price from another team, just cause of our scenerio and what we can offer.

but for reasons you stated above..  along with the captial (draft and cap) it may cost us, i too would stay away from obj.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He might not even be in the top 15 anymore. Go look at the last two seasons he’s not finished in the top 15 in yards or touchdowns or receptions. He’s not nearly as good over the last three years as he was in New York. He’s also been hurt in two of the last three seasons. He’s not nearly as good as he once was, he’s making a ton of money and he’s a pain in the ass as he got into a shouting match with fans on the sidelines this past weekend and with his coaches. On top of all that new GM and regime that weren’t the ones that brought him in there

last year was 28th in receptions, 26th in receiving yards and 67th in tds. 

2018 was 22nd in receptions, 18th in receiving yards and 28th in tds and got hurt 

I chose to exercise diplomacy in my response.  He’s currently 34th in receiving yards this season.  I’ve never wanted OBJ on his best day in the NFL — he’s a loser 

11 minutes ago, JayEcho said:

as much as i want the browns to fix our mistake by asking for hurts...  i don't think he would be the qb they'd target.  and if they cannot get that qb, i believe that would go for pick(s).

(imho) each trade should be looked at case-by-case.  browns would know we need a receiver more than they want to let go of one of theirs.  their asking price from us might be different than their asking price from another team, just cause of our scenerio and what we can offer.

but for reasons you stated above..  along with the captial (draft and cap) it may cost us, i too would stay away from obj.

Again your overvaluing OBJ. If he was playing like he was in New York you might have a point. He’s not been nearly the same player since leaving New York.  Frankly with that contract they would be lucky somebody wants to take on that contract with his injuries the past couple years and decline in performance.  

If you believe anybody in the NFL is giving them more than a second round pick for him then kudos to you I don’t see it. Frankly the only reason why I don’t think he’s been traded so far is because no one even wants to give up a second round pick for him because they know he’s a diva and a pain in the ass. This isn’t 2016 OBJ. He has been not in the top 20 of wide receivers in Every major wide receiving category over the last three years. And he’s been injury prone.

Again yes the Eagles might need a wide receiver but the fact of the matter that OBJ and his statistics have massively decline since leaving New York. Add on it’s gonna be a buyers market for wide receivers. The Texans announced they would trade Brandin cooks or will Fuller, the Falcons are willing to trade Julio Jones, add on there are some other teams like the Bengals who are willing to trade AJ Green (Also not worth what they’d want at this stage). I’d also throw out there Keenan Allen is likely available as they haven’t renegotiated or extended him and he’s a free agent at the end of the year and they aren’t competing. So not only that the market is Potentially saturated with teams willing to trade wide receivers.

9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I chose to exercise diplomacy in my response.  He’s currently 34th in receiving yards this season.  I’ve never wanted OBJ on his best day in the NFL — he’s a loser 

I tend to think a lot of the smart teams around the NFL agree with you. They wouldn’t want him on their team when he was at his peak let alone now he’s declined and still a diva. I would be absolutely floored if some team gives up more than a second round pick for him.

29 minutes ago, JayEcho said:

you don't ask for reality in the initial phase of talks.  eagles could call and inquire, but the browns would be the ones driving the talks.  we wouldn't have leverage in it, they would have the player we want.  and it's often said, the most important position on the field is the guy under center.  a team with a franchise qb calls asking about a guy on your team...  when the guy under center for your team is not better than theirs...  in fact, not even in the same tier of qb..  you go for their franchise qb.

if they ask for anyone else, eagles would look like they fleeced them, at a time when they are winning.

but we both agree, we do not want obj, even if it's for different reasons. 

This doesn’t make sense. If the browns are the ones "driving” the talks then no, they’re not opening with an insane demand of a franchise ab. That’s not a position of strength. That’s like somebody calling you and saying "you’re going to buy my vw for 100k.”  Not getting anywhere. 
 

IF they are shopping him, it’s a bargain. IF the eagles or other teams are knocking their door down, that’s a position of strength. It’s not both. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I tend to think a lot of the smart teams around the NFL agree with you. They wouldn’t want him on their team when he was at his peak let alone now he’s declined and still a diva. I would be absolutely floored if some team gives up more than a second round pick for him.

Cleveland is practically begging for teams to take him. There’s one off rumors than there is OBJ on the trade block rumors that pop up every 3 months 

Just now, Allhaildawk said:

This doesn’t make sense. If the browns are the ones "driving” the talks then no, they’re not opening with an insane demand of a franchise ab. That’s not a position of strength. That’s like somebody calling you and saying "you’re going to buy my vw for 100k.”  Not getting anywhere. 
 

IF they are shopping him, it’s a bargain. IF the eagles or other teams are knocking their door down, that’s a position of strength. It’s not both. 

To be honest if anybody was knocking down the door for him then I think he would already have been dealt him for a good package. I think the Browns would trade him if they got a decent package and not the other way around where teams are calling them begging for them to trade him and giving up great value.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Cleveland is practically begging for teams to take him. There’s one off rumors than there is OBJ on the trade block rumors that pop up every 3 months 

Yeah but that’s the nfl media machine at work. Every time he throws a mini tantrum the rumors pop up. Doesn’t mean there’s any truth to them it could just be him coming a bit unhinged again. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

To be honest if anybody was knocking down the door for him then I think he would already have been dealt him for a good package. I think the Browns would trade him if they got a decent package and not the other way around where teams are calling them begging for them to trade him and giving up great value.

Yeah I think that’s right if it was an overwhelming trade package. That said, they’re clearly not pushing him out for whatever they can get for him.