1 minute ago, downundermike said:

I would add Calvin Ridley to that group.

There’s a couple of guys I’d add to it over him currently if we are being honest. 

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

That's a very bad sign that Howie is looking at this year only.  Why in the world would you do anything to make next years cap increase and guarantee that players money.  Didn't he learn his lesson with Alshon.  This is frightening stuff from Howie.  

It was likely that Cox was on the roster in 2021 anyway. I did think they had an opportunity to trade Cox and keep Jackson/Hargrave.

Restructuring Cox makes it easier to trade Alshon, DSJ, Ertz, Malik (who could fetch a great price were he healthy) and Barnett.

31 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You do realize there are talented wide receivers still being more productive than him with as bad of quarterbacks as baker Mayfield? Just going to point this out Jameis Winston was bottom five in completion percentage last year and Mike Evans and Chris Godwin didn’t seem to have a problem. And there’s plenty of weapons on that team

again your opinion to me means nothing as you routinely say absurd things. And if you want to go with a maybe he banged your wife you just sound like an ahole that cant make an argument to prove yourself. so congratulations I have even less respect for you than I did before.

And yet again you still have yet to prove when he’s finished outside the top 20 of every major statistical category for wide receivers for 3 consecutive years and yet you call him a top 10 wide receiver. over the last three years he has not finished as a top 10 wide receiver. If he is as great as you think he is still, he would finish in the top 10 regardless of who’s starting in the ball. It wasn’t exactly like Eli Manning was playing like Peyton Manning for the Giants when he was there. Eli was at the end of his career and was as inconsistent as baker for the large majority of odell’s time there. 
 

and just for giggles ten WRs I’d definitely take over him:

godwin

evans

julio

adams

thomas 

golladay

Hill 

hopkins 

metcalf 

Allen 

Godwin getting a lot of love.... shame the Eagles traded for Goodwin.  😢    So close, and yet so far.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

It was likely that Cox was on the roster in 2021 anyway. I did think they had an opportunity to trade Cox and keep Jackson/Hargrave.

Restructuring Cox makes it easier to trade Alshon, DSJ, Ertz, Malik (who could fetch a great price were he healthy) and Barnett.

If that's the case, restructure after you make a trade.  Right now he is just setting himself out for failure.  Every player you mentioned is injured.  No one is lining up to trade for expensive, injured players.  This reeks of Howie thinking he's smarter than everyone else.  2020 is a joke.  Look at the division.  The Eagles should win the East with their players coming back.  I just don't like how he seems to be looking so short term.

21 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I'm not worried... Howie knows what he's doing.... I think... 😬

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

If that's the case, restructure after you make a trade.  Right now he is just setting himself out for failure.  Every player you mentioned is injured.  No one is lining up to trade for expensive, injured players.  This reeks of Howie thinking he's smarter than everyone else.  2020 is a joke.  Look at the division.  The Eagles should win the East with their players coming back.  I just don't like how he seems to be looking so short term.

I don't like this decision, but this is not about Howie thinking he's smarter. Howie values flexibility. This gives him more flexibility. 

20 minutes ago, RLC said:

*Sigh* 
Guarantees Cox is an Eagle in 2021.

This won't affect overall cap space. This does make it easier to trade other expensive players this year though. If we use that space to acquire players, ugh.

Wait... did you just say that an Alshon trade is in the works?   YAY!!!

 

🥳

17 minutes ago, RLC said:

OBJ's QBs have been Eli Manning & Baker Mayfield. He's saddled like Allen Robinson, without the public defense.

Hey now... Eli is a 2 time Super Bowl Champion QB, and I've heard a very likely candidate for the HoF, you can't say that OBJ has had bad QBs.   Meanwhile... OBJ is just a turd though, and even if his skill set was that of Jerry Rice in his prime, I still wouldn't want him on my team.

12 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I was curious on something so I wanted to check it out.. Mind you, you called Dhok and K. Allen top 10.

Allen had 149 Targtets. 41 more then anyone else. 

DHop had 150, 79 targets more than anyone else on there team

OBJ head 17-18 less than the 2 above, wasnt first on his team in targets and yet was in the same breath in yards, and touchdowns of those 2. lol

like I said, this smells of personal hate. 

imagine thinking odell Beckham jr is as good as hopkins right now. 

beckham last year had 133 targets so hopkins had 17 more targets than odell who’s on a "run first team” 

allen who played with ekeler, Hunter, Gordon and Williams was targeted 8 more times than odell. But odell plays on a run first team. 

like I said smells like youre argument is full of crap and he hasn’t been a top 10 player in 4 seasons as the statistics and analytics show that.  

Let’s play a game shall we  over the last two years average statistical season and which player you’d take 

Player A: 

157 targets, 109 catches, 1368 and 9 tds 

player B: 

142 targets, 101 catches, 1200 yards and 6 tds

player C :

129 targets, 76 catches, 1044 yards and 5 tds

which wr are you taking? 

 

Very possible that OBJ just needs a better QB but he'll be 28 next month

28 minutes ago, RLC said:

*Sigh* 
Guarantees Cox is an Eagle in 2021.

This won't affect overall cap space. This does make it easier to trade other expensive players this year though. If we use that space to acquire players, ugh.

and?

20 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yep that’s clearly what I said. Reading comprehension clearly is not your strong suit. please show me where i said he stunk? Won’t find it except in the narrative in your head  

I never said he sucked I said he wasn’t a top 10 wide receiver and argument could be made he’s not even a top 15 receiver. And there is 15 wide receivers I much prefer over Odell. But in i make up narratives world that means he sucks

Why do so many people bother with him?  I'll never understand it.

27 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

In the least surprising move of the week.

I hate the black.  I really like the white jersey green pants look as of late.  I wonder how white jersey with black pants would look.

Like a different team.  Black is not the Eagles.  Never has been.   And it looks stupid with the green helmets.  

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm not worried... Howie knows what he's doing.... I think... 😬

Even if some question his drafts, etc no one should question his cap management, imo.  It's been among the best in the NFL during his tenure here, imo.

 

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Very possible that OBJ just needs a better QB but he'll be 28 next month

That's 40 in pain in the arse years

10 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Thats my point. all 3 of them are bunched together yet you consider 2 of them top 5 and the other not in the top 15.

 

Cause his numbers would still fall out of the top 20 and even with the 11 more targets player C would get he’d still be behind player B based on their averages. And ditto with player A. 

Again you’re trying to argue against every statistical category for a wide receiver over the last three years Odell Beckham Jr. has finished outside of the top 15. Every. Single. One. BUT TARGETS HE HASNT. You can make up whatever excuse you want to make but over the last three years since he’s left the Giants he has not finished in the top 15 yards, top 15 in touchdowns, top 15 in yards per catch and top 15 in reception. Again make any excuse you want he hasn’t done it. Hard for anybody to consider him a top 10 wide receiver when he has not finished in the top 20 in nearly every category for three years. It’s not all everyone else’s problem but Odell’s

And just so we’re clear the Texans last year had William Fuller who so far this year is a top 15 wide receiver with DeAndre Hopkins gone 13th yards, 13th yards per catch and 9th tds. They also had Carlos hyde who was top 12 in carries and rushing yards in the nfl last year. And the chargers who has a plethora of weapons such as ekeler, Gordon, Hunter henry and Williams. 

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

I don't like this decision, but this is not about Howie thinking he's smarter. Howie values flexibility. This gives him more flexibility. 

It gives him flexibility in the short term, but costs them flexibility in the long run, doesn't it?  I think it is short sighted by Howie.  But... who knows.   It should would be helpful if they'd get some younger players to really start to step up in starting roles.  it would make the transition easier and get them through the cap troubles that are lurking.

 

For example: Fulgham for Alshon in 2021 is a HUGE cap savings.  But, we are still carrying around Alshon's cap hit for 2021.  So, the real savings won't show up until 2022.  But, we need to hope that Fulgham can maintain this.   Hightower for Desean moving forward would also be a great savings, but again, the real savings don't come until 2022.  AND we need Hightower to start CATCHING these deep balls for his value to really matter.  Right now, he's somewhere between Desean and the bad version of Agholor. We need him to push more to the better version of a healthy Desean.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It gives him flexibility in the short term, but costs them flexibility in the long run, doesn't it?  I think it is short sighted by Howie.  But... who knows.   It should would be helpful if they'd get some younger players to really start to step up in starting roles.  it would make the transition easier and get them through the cap troubles that are lurking.

Yes & No.
Loss of flexibility in long run: can't trade/cut Cox.
Gain of flexibility: could trade veterans in 2020, lowering cap hits in 2021. This was less likely pre-restructure.
No change in flexibility: no trades/cuts, meaning we just rollover cap space.

It depends on what we do.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It gives him flexibility in the short term, but costs them flexibility in the long run, doesn't it?  I think it is short sighted by Howie.  But... who knows.   It should would be helpful if they'd get some younger players to really start to step up in starting roles.  it would make the transition easier and get them through the cap troubles that are lurking.

 

For example: Fulgham for Alshon in 2021 is a HUGE cap savings.  But, we are still carrying around Alshon's cap hit for 2021.  So, the real savings won't show up until 2022.  But, we need to hope that Fulgham can maintain this.   Hightower for Desean moving forward would also be a great savings, but again, the real savings don't come until 2022.  AND we need Hightower to start CATCHING these deep balls for his value to really matter.  Right now, he's somewhere between Desean and the bad version of Agholor. We need him to push more to the better version of a healthy Desean.

Honestly if the eagles could post June 1st cut this offseason alshon and desean they’d get a lot more Savings for next year and 2021 roll over. Unfortunately i don’t think they are going to be able to do that

Just now, RLC said:

Yes & No.
Loss of flexibility in long run: can't trade/cut Cox.
Gain of flexibility: could trade veterans in 2020, lowering cap hits in 2021. This was less likely pre-restructure.
No change in flexibility: no trades/cuts, meaning we just rollover cap space.

It depends on what we do.

Yeah... it rolls over for 2020 into 2021 (minus the prorated portion in 2021)... but will also eat into 2022, 2023 and maybe beyond, we don't know how far Howie is kicking this can.  

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Honestly if the eagles could post June 1st cut this offseason alshon and desean they’d get a lot more Savings for next year and 2021 roll over. Unfortunately i don’t think they are going to be able to do that

Trouble is post-June 1 cut savings don't become 'spendable' dollars until June 1.

 

but, I really hope Alshon and Desean are both gone for 2021.  We can't afford the roster space, let alone the cap space being wasted on players who aren't contributing at all. 

1 hour ago, Ipiggles said:

Truth be told, The last 2 games were against Pittsburg and Baltimore. 2 of the top 5 Teams in the AFC, and they were close till the end. Even though we had 2-4 Offensive starters available, with going way down the depth chart for Oline and WR positions. The Game before that we beat San Fran a good NFC team.

Against the NFC East?  Even with only 2 starters on Offense?  Yeah I think we have a shot to win some games. Now it would be nice if we could get a few players back, Like Lane, Seaumalo, Goedert, Reagor and Sanders. 

In all fairness, they were wipeouts until.the end.  Scrambling 4th Qtrs got them close.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Trouble is post-June 1 cut savings don't become 'spendable' dollars until June 1.

 

but, I really hope Alshon and Desean are both gone for 2021.  We can't afford the roster space, let alone the cap space being wasted on players who aren't contributing at all. 

Oh I definitely understand that. However the savings and roll over they would carry into 2022 is much better if they do it that way. I just don’t think they can wait to get that cap space until June 1 so i see them doing it after the season ends. Ideally If we were in a better cap position i think the eagles would prefer to do it as June 1st cause pre June first they only create 13 mil of space and post its 22 million. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Oh I definitely understand that. However the savings and roll over they would carry into 2022 is much better if they do it that way. I just don’t think they can wait to get that cap space until June 1 so i see them doing it after the season ends. Ideally If we were in a better cap position i think the eagles would prefer to do it as June 1st cause pre June first they only create 13 mil of space and post its 22 million. 

Yeah, but post means carrying over to 2022.

Honestly theres a chance the jets just tank again the following year or he goes to the jags which would be worse on a marketing perspective then ny.