20 minutes ago, Lambo said:

Wyoming, Idaho, and of course...........................................................Sloth's toothless kin in West Virgina.

Yup, 48th in education, WV hahahaha

3 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

The Dems tried that 2 years ago

If by the smoke filled room, you mean Jill and Joe Biden Fing over everyone not named Kamala, then sure.

13 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't think positions on Israel really fall under moderate vs leftist argument anymore. The Dem party as a whole is on board with cutting off aid to Israel and someone who's against Mamdani style governing could very easily be all for cutting aid.

59 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

I don't think positions on Israel really fall under moderate vs leftist argument anymore. The Dem party as a whole is on board with cutting off aid to Israel and someone who's against Mamdani style governing could very easily be all for cutting aid.

Being split on this cost them the 2024 election. They have finally picked their side and it is the correct one.

And for anybody out there still wringing their hands, Israel also votes in November. They can avoid the sanctions and radical change in policy by ousting Bibi and changing their ways.

1 minute ago, dawkins4prez said:

Being split on this cost them the 2024 election. They have finally picked their side and it is the correct one.

Right. My guess is it's so set that it's not even much of a debate in the '28 primary. I'd be surprised if there was more than 1 person on stage that wanted to continue funding for Israel. The measuring stick will be how each one of them wants to go after the criminals in office now and how far they're willing to go with structural changes to keep the fascists from dismantling the country again.

3 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Sounds like only 4% of Dems in SC understand that "Israel iS nOt a WeStErN FiGhTiNg FoRcE."

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Sounds like only 4% of Dems in SC understand that "Israel iS nOt a WeStErN FiGhTiNg FoRcE."

I saw video yesterday of Israeli soldiers harassing a little boy of about 7 or 8. They made him take his shirt off to prove he was unarmed, then ripped his shirt to shreds. That was my first thought.

1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:

Right. My guess is it's so set that it's not even much of a debate in the '28 primary. I'd be surprised if there was more than 1 person on stage that wanted to continue funding for Israel. The measuring stick will be how each one of them wants to go after the criminals in office now and how far they're willing to go with structural changes to keep the fascists from dismantling the country again.

Which is why AOC is the front runner in the betting markets for 2028.  She's pretty much the only one running that lane. Trump was only one running far right in '16, Biden was the only one running moderate in '20.  If you got the lane to yourself your chances go up dramatically. You set the goal posts and everyone else has to nitpick as to where they are in relation to you.

4 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

Which is why AOC is the front runner in the betting markets for 2028.  She's pretty much the only one running that lane. Trump was only one running far right in '16, Biden was the only one running moderate in '20.  If you got the lane to yourself your chances go up dramatically. You set the goal posts and everyone else has to nitpick as to where they are in relation to you.

Thankfully SC votes first and they won't touch AOC. There's no chance Dems nominate a woman in '28, whether that woman was first to the party on Israel or not.

14 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

Which is why AOC is the front runner in the betting markets for 2028.  She's pretty much the only one running that lane. Trump was only one running far right in '16, Biden was the only one running moderate in '20.  If you got the lane to yourself your chances go up dramatically. You set the goal posts and everyone else has to nitpick as to where they are in relation to you.

Eh...I'd think Elizabeth Warren jumps in at some point. Ro Khanna is around as well to get his 1%.

18 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

Thankfully SC votes first and they won't touch AOC. There's no chance Dems nominate a woman in '28, whether that woman was first to the party on Israel or not.

All hypotheticals at this point, but my guess would be she skips SC and heads straight for Nevada (heavy latino) and New hampshire (bernie territory). throw in her bartender background for Nevada and she could be the favorite in 2/3 opening states.

On 8/29/2026 at 10:39 AM, Mike030270 said:

He's a lock for the nomination. I was wondering who was retarded enough to connect with the gop voters and damn if he isnt a lock. Rubio is too smart and too brown. Vance speaks in complete sentences. Hegseth is their guy.

53 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

That’s the dumbest F’ing thing I’ve ever heard

11 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

That’s the dumbest F’ing thing I’ve ever heard

another example of the dems not getting out of their own way.

14 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

That’s the dumbest F’ing thing I’ve ever heard

Yeah it stinks of typical politician posturing. I'm sick of crap like that. I want to hear "I need to run to save the country from fascism".

17 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

He's full of it. His internal polling shows he's got no chance.

Just now, dawkins4prez said:

He's full of it. His internal polling shows he's got no chance.

I would be very surprised if his internals showed that. There's only a couple feasible options that he's competing against right now, primarily Ossof, when it comes to more moderate, big tent, white guy options. And this far out, his lane is still wide open since moderate white guy is the most likely choice.

I just think he's falling into the stupid Democratic trait of reverence for the establishment. It's self defeating, embarrassing and helps no one. Kamala's fine and all but she's an electoral loser who has absolutely no chance in the primary. No reason to bow to her.

22 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

I would be very surprised if his internals showed that. There's only a couple feasible options that he's competing against right now, primarily Ossof, when it comes to more moderate, big tent, white guy options. And this far out, his lane is still wide open since moderate white guy is the most likely choice.

I just think he's falling into the stupid Democratic trait of reverence for the establishment. It's self defeating, embarrassing and helps no one. Kamala's fine and all but she's an electoral loser who has absolutely no chance in the primary. No reason to bow to her.

He's already like 5th or 6th in 2028 Dem power rankings, harris would divvy up the Cali vote and neither of them would have a chance.

6 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

He's already like 5th or 6th in 2028 Dem power rankings, harris would divvy up the Cali vote and neither of them would have a chance.

Yeah, but he's in the broadest, and most likely, lane in the Dem primary. It's incredibly stupid to count yourself out a year and a half out from the primary. I get the Cali part but I'm not sure how much CA loyalty there is to Kamala at this point. She's been a national politician for a while now.