38 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Also, it's cute you guys think Ossoff can win the nomination.

He absolutely can. You’re putting way too much weight on the Jewish thing. It’s not like Republicans and their inability to nominate a minority. Vast majority of the Dem base loves Jewish people (hence 31 elected Jewish Dems vs a handful of Republicans). Ossoff’s never taken AIPAC money and has spoken out repeatedly against Bibi and what Israel’s doing.

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

SC was where Biden picked up enough steam to essentially take Bernie off the table as an option right? Can't recall if it was there or Georgia, but either way, it resulted in the better candidate getting the nomination in the end, and gave them the best chance to retake the White House (which they obviously did.) I think it's a good move to start it off there but I still think the better method would be to have a super Tuesday on steroids and have 30-40 states all having their primary on the same day, with any needed runoffs to come a month later. Otherwise these early primaries could have undue influence on the overall process even if it can still result in the better positioned nominee in the end.

Making SC first is a very good move by the party - NH, and Iowa to a degree, aren't representative of the party (translation: no black people live there). But I've long thought we need a national primary day to try and encourage more participation and dilute the impact of extremists on both sides. But that will never happen because it's too logical.

7 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

SC was where Biden picked up enough steam to essentially take Bernie off the table as an option right? Can't recall if it was there or Georgia, but either way, it resulted in the better candidate getting the nomination in the end, and gave them the best chance to retake the White House (which they obviously did.) I think it's a good move to start it off there but I still think the better method would be to have a super Tuesday on steroids and have 30-40 states all having their primary on the same day, with any needed runoffs to come a month later. Otherwise these early primaries could have undue influence on the overall process even if it can still result in the better positioned nominee in the end.

Iowa and New Hampshire don't have enough diversity to be the first two primaries for Dems

JMHO

South Carolina makes a little more sense I think

5 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Iowa and New Hampshire don't have enough diversity to be the first two primaries for Dems

JMHO

South Carolina makes a little more sense I think

SC's a great choice. Voters that actually want to win the election. Too many white ideologues in Iowa and NH.

6 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

SC's a great choice. Voters that actually want to win the election. Too many white ideologues in Iowa and NH.

What exactly is a white ideologue, are there such things as black ideologues, and which ones are worse in your opinion?

7 minutes ago, Procus said:

What exactly is a white ideologue, are there such things as black ideologues, and which ones are worse in your opinion?

Run along now, Seabiscuit. The adults are talking.

13 minutes ago, Procus said:

What exactly is a white ideologue, are there such things as black ideologues, and which ones are worse in your opinion?

What a weird F'ing question but here goes.

White ideologues are white people that look for a very specific set of policies and whether it adheres to their ideology instead of looking at the personal qualities of a candidate that could help him win an election.

Obviously there can be black ideologues and I'm sure there are plenty, but black voters (especially in the south) tend to be much more pragmatic in their votes. They tend to favor winning over anything else.

I have no idea which ones are worse and I have no idea why you even asked that.

19 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Run along now, Seabiscuit. The adults are talking.

That's funny - you are under the delusion that Van and you are adults

9 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

I have no idea

No, you don't

2 minutes ago, Procus said:

No, you don't

Ask a really F'ing stupid question, get a pretty reasonable response, then just say something rheetarded and vague and slink away.

lmao @Procus asking if there were black ideologues like he was gonna trip up @VanHammersly with a trick question.

1 minute ago, Dave Moss said:

lmao @Procus asking if there were black ideologues like he was gonna trip up @VanHammersly with a trick question.

"It's like a white ideologue but...black"

Walks away slowly nodding head "Got him"

8 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Ask a really F'ing intelligent question, get an inchorent response, then just say something intelligent.

FYP

Not an inchorent response. Surely my response was at least somewhat chorent.

30 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

What a weird F'ing question but here goes.

White ideologues are white people that look for a very specific set of policies and whether it adheres to their ideology instead of looking at the personal qualities of a candidate that could help him win an election.

Obviously there can be black ideologues and I'm sure there are plenty, but black voters (especially in the south) tend to be much more pragmatic in their votes. They tend to favor winning over anything else.

I have no idea which ones are worse and I have no idea why you even asked that.

Historically, black voters have been the most pragmatic group in the Democratic coalition. White, generally wealthier liberals in NH will fall in love with the Bernie/Warren/AOC types talking about massive welfare programs and socialist policies. Black voters want someone who can win, and they also generally are skeptical of expanding government power and programs (as compared to progressives) for some pretty obvious historical reasons.

46 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

What a weird F'ing question but here goes.

White ideologues are white people that look for a very specific set of policies and whether it adheres to their ideology instead of looking at the personal qualities of a candidate that could help him win an election.

Obviously there can be black ideologues and I'm sure there are plenty, but black voters (especially in the south) tend to be much more pragmatic in their votes. They tend to favor winning over anything else.

I have no idea which ones are worse and I have no idea why you even asked that.

Because Trumptards believe the only real racism that exists anymore is against white people. They live to play the victim card.

1 hour ago, Procus said:

That's funny - you are under the delusion that Van and you are adults

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

SC was where Biden picked up enough steam to essentially take Bernie off the table as an option right? Can't recall if it was there or Georgia, but either way, it resulted in the better candidate getting the nomination in the end, and gave them the best chance to retake the White House (which they obviously did.) I think it's a good move to start it off there but I still think the better method would be to have a super Tuesday on steroids and have 30-40 states all having their primary on the same day, with any needed runoffs to come a month later. Otherwise these early primaries could have undue influence on the overall process even if it can still result in the better positioned nominee in the end.

Looking at 2020, Pete took Iowa, then Bernie took NH and NV, and then Biden took SC, and then Biden took almost everything on super Tuesday and locked it up.

As it stands for 28, the primary schedule looks like this:

SC

NV

NH

NM

MI

VA

Super Tuesday

2 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Making SC first is a very good move by the party - NH, and Iowa to a degree, aren't representative of the party (translation: no black people live there). But I've long thought we need a national primary day to try and encourage more participation and dilute the impact of extremists on both sides. But that will never happen because it's too logical.

If things keep trending the way they have been, we almost need to go back to having candidates picked in smoke filled rooms.

5 minutes ago, Bill said:

If things keep trending the way they have been, we almost need to go back to having candidates picked in smoke filled rooms.

The Dems tried that 2 years ago

15 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

The Dems tried that 2 years ago

And recently in Maine

2 hours ago, Procus said:

What exactly is a white ideologue, are there such things as black ideologues, and which ones are worse in your opinion?

3 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Also, it's cute you guys think Ossoff can win the nomination.

Do not underestimate Ossoff. He is an excellent public speaker and he's telegenic - two characteristics that help put Obama into the WH.

https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-only-three-states-that-approve-of-donald-trump-12333143

32 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-only-three-states-that-approve-of-donald-trump-12333143

Wyoming, Idaho, and of course...........................................................Sloth's toothless kin in West Virgina.