54 minutes ago, EagleMatt said:

Wentz really reminds me of Sam Bradford. Sam too had a high ceiling.

Overpaid, overrated due to draft position, injury prone, turn over prone. No playoff success (yet). What else am i forgetting?

I think he has the ability, but it is his mental approach and lack of taking to coaching that is preventing him from playing well. I think also he might have a chip on his shoulder about the Hurts draft pick and he is trying too hard to prove his worth by forcing the issue instead of taking what is there.  But, if he stinks it up against the Giants, then I'm ready for him to be benched for a game or two. And, if Hurts lights it up in those games, then we have to keep him in there.

7 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

I think he has the ability, but it is his mental approach and lack of taking to coaching that is preventing him from playing well. I think also he might have a chip on his shoulder about the Hurts draft pick and he is trying too hard to prove his worth by forcing the issue instead of taking what is there.  But, if he stinks it up against the Giants, then I'm ready for him to be benched for a game or two. And, if Hurts lights it up in those games, then we have to keep him in there.

Sam also had a chip on his shoulder when Eagles drafted Carson.

1 minute ago, EagleMatt said:

Sam also had a chip on his shoulder when Eagles drafted Carson.

I don't think Bradford was as all around as talented. I know Bradford was more regarded coming out of college than Wentz was, but I think that was largely due to his going to a major university (Oklahoma vs. North Dakota).  Sam was a statue with limited mobility.  Arm strength they are comparable.  Wentz played at a MVP level for almost a year. Bradford never put it together.

13 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

I don't think Bradford was as all around as talented. I know Bradford was more regarded coming out of college than Wentz was, but I think that was largely due to his going to a major university (Oklahoma vs. North Dakota).  

I think accuracy was supposed to be Bradford's claim to fame, that's should be the first thing you look for in a QB, unfortunately accuracy isn't the first thing that comes to mind when you're speaking of Wentz.  

9 hours ago, Mortimer said:

Doug forgets that it is 2020.   Respecting or even listening to contrary opinions is illegal.

Doug could simply have said he respects his opinion, but he disagrees with him. Then it doesn’t take any additional questions at that point. I’m sure Doug’s happy about Carson’s 2 turnovers a game though. 🙄

2 hours ago, nipples said:

Nope. QBR has always been a joke. But I get it, you’d rather just pretend everything is fine with Wentz despite him being a bottom 5 qb this year. 

 

 

When did I say everything is fine with Wentz?  I am saying Foles is playing just as bad if not worse and is going to lose his starting job again with his 4th or 5th different franchise so it doesn't matter if Foles or Wentz both are playing like crap.  Which was a response to Farve's comments about how we should have kept Foles.  My comment why would I want to keep a QB who is actually performing worse than Wentz because like you stated there aren't that many currently in the NFL. 

2 hours ago, EagleMatt said:

Wentz really reminds me of Sam Bradford. Sam too had a high ceiling.

Overpaid, overrated due to draft position, injury prone, turn over prone. No playoff success (yet). What else am i forgetting?

Except one of them we used a we a 1st rnd pick for and one we got a 1st rnd pick.  

2 hours ago, EagleMatt said:

Wentz really reminds me of Sam Bradford. Sam too had a high ceiling.

Overpaid, overrated due to draft position, injury prone, turn over prone. No playoff success (yet). What else am i forgetting?

Well Wentz has had 2 winning seasons under his belt. Sammy Sleeves has never had a winning season his entire career. This is an insult to Carson. 

So apparently most of yoots are in close connection with the HC, but you’re not, and you no nothing, just spitballin 

With all these players coming back from injury, especially on O. I hope to see a big improvement in this 2nd half of the season. Our schedule is pretty brutal. Who knows, it may even help.

12 minutes ago, Portyansky said:

With all these players coming back from injury, especially on O. I hope to see a big improvement in this 2nd half of the season. Our schedule is pretty brutal. Who knows, it may even help.

No more excuses that's for sure. It's time for him, these coaches, and players to step up and prove they can beat more than just the cupcake NFL teams. 

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

No more excuses that's for sure. It's time for him, these coaches, and players to step up and prove they can beat more than just the cupcake NFL teams. 

Completely agree with you there. Wentz has a few opportunities in the second half of the season to show he belongs amongst the top QBs. He's going to face future HoF QBs in Brees, Wilson and Rodgers and he's going to take on a young potential star in Murray and then Mayfield too. He's got to win some of those battles. 

7 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

No more excuses that's for sure. It's time for him, these coaches, and players to step up and prove they can beat more than just the cupcake NFL teams. 

Not just Wentz but the whole team including coaching staff.

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Completely agree with you there. Wentz has a few opportunities in the second half of the season to show he belongs amongst the top QBs. He's going to face future HoF QBs in Brees, Wilson and Rodgers and he's going to take on a young potential star in Murray and then Mayfield too. He's got to win some of those battles. 

It's not about what QB is on the other side. It's only about how Wentz plays, what he sees, what he doesn't see, his decisions and the outcome of those. The first half of the season is done. Nothing about those 8 games can be changed. Now it's time for him to do what he says he needs to do --- protect the ball better, play better, and place the ball better. There's no way at this point that he will have his best statistical year, but he has a chance now, to put up his best or one of his best 8+ game stretches.

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

It's not about what QB is on the other side. It's only about how Wentz plays, what he sees, what he doesn't see, his decisions and the outcome of those. The first half of the season is done. Nothing about those 8 games can be changed. Now it's time for him to do what he says he needs to do --- protect the ball better, play better, and place the ball better. There's no way at this point that he will have his best statistical year, but he has a chance now, to put up his best or one of his best 8+ game stretches.

Yes thank you I do know that. But the narrative is always QB vs QB. If Wentz wants to shift the perception of him this year then he needs to start beating the better teams in the league and not beating up on bad teams. This year he's not even managed to beat up on bad teams. 

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

It's not about what QB is on the other side. It's only about how Wentz plays, what he sees, what he doesn't see, his decisions and the outcome of those. The first half of the season is done. Nothing about those 8 games can be changed. Now it's time for him to do what he says he needs to do --- protect the ball better, play better, and place the ball better. There's no way at this point that he will have his best statistical year, but he has a chance now, to put up his best or one of his best 8+ game stretches.

I want to get your direct opinion on this and I'd like you to answer it two ways after reading your response to me yesterday and your posts regarding the QB situation, if you do not mind. 

If Carson Wentz continues on set path and delivers a performance similar to the first 8 games of the season, how is he handled? If he continues to miss wide open players, fumble the ball, throw into coverage, make errant throws, etc. I don't need to spell it out for you, we know what we're talking about. At that point how is he dealt with. 

I'd actually like two answers if they are not the same. How would you handle it personally if you were the organization and then, how do you think the organization will handle it? 

Part of this after having posted with you for nearly two decades is trying to dissect where you are coming from as I'm having trouble gauging you a bit. And I'm being genuine. I obviously wouldn't be taking the time to just **** here. 

Appreciate it. 

 

On 11/12/2020 at 3:32 PM, Sturm said:

You can easy say he is best in the NFCE

Don't know about easy.  I think if Gilbert had started that game against the Eagles and Engram pulls down that dime from Jones, he'd fall right to 3rd.

5 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

 

Even Brian Westbrook is saying Carson doesn’t listen to the veterans on the team. He is who he is and everyone will have to deal. This isn’t a coaching issue. This is a Carson issue.

8 hours ago, stinkfist said:

I want to get your direct opinion on this and I'd like you to answer it two ways after reading your response to me yesterday and your posts regarding the QB situation, if you do not mind. 

If Carson Wentz continues on set path and delivers a performance similar to the first 8 games of the season, how is he handled? If he continues to miss wide open players, fumble the ball, throw into coverage, make errant throws, etc. I don't need to spell it out for you, we know what we're talking about. At that point how is he dealt with. 

I'd actually like two answers if they are not the same. How would you handle it personally if you were the organization and then, how do you think the organization will handle it? 

Part of this after having posted with you for nearly two decades is trying to dissect where you are coming from as I'm having trouble gauging you a bit. And I'm being genuine. I obviously wouldn't be taking the time to just **** here. 

Appreciate it. 

You're asking for two answers for the same question. Obviously he has been doing all those things you described (and other things) in those first 8 games . Obviously, we're talking about the negative things. 

So, if Wentz continues to play poorly (doing the things he's been doing so far this season) overall, I think all the offensive coaches (we have plenty) and Wentz need to sit down, study the failures, figure out if it's the plays they run, the philosophy (currently aggressive), Wentz, etc... and come up with an offense and game plan that takes advantage of his strengths and minimizes his weaknesses. At the same time you want to work on the weaknesses. You know, I'll be honest --- IMO, Wentz' biggest weakness is not holding the ball too long, it's not turning the ball over, it's not his aggressiveness or "gunslinger" mentality, it's not his accuracy, it's not his mechanics --- It's his vision (or inability to diagnose the open receiver). So often you'll see him look right at a guy breaking open with tons of space and he'll hesitate to get the ball out or look at someone else.  I feel that if, as coaches, you correct this one issue, you'll find that it was the "cause" and all the other "issues" were the "effect."

How do I think the Eagles would handle it? They would probably trade Wentz to the Colts (assuming he played the final 8 games on par with the first 8 ) and let them handle it.

My biggest issue with Carson wentz is how in big moments he seems to force the ball to parts of the field and to players who aren’t open when there were teammates clearly open he could have thrown to. There was one game last season(or the season before) where wentz had a chance(however small) to get the go ahead score  and he snapped the ball and looked to his left and there was an open player( I want to say it was a RB) who could have walked in but you see wentz look at this player and turn away and go to his right and throw a ball into double coverage and that was it. And I know all QBs have their favourite receivers and that’s how it is, but this example of either not seeing the open player or seeing the open player and deliberately ignore the open player drives me nuts.

30 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

You're asking for two answers for the same question. Obviously he has been doing all those things you described (and other things) in those first 8 games . Obviously, we're talking about the negative things. 

So, if Wentz continues to play poorly (doing the things he's been doing so far this season) overall, I think all the offensive coaches (we have plenty) and Wentz need to sit down, study the failures, figure out if it's the plays they run, the philosophy (currently aggressive), Wentz, etc... and come up with an offense and game plan that takes advantage of his strengths and minimizes his weaknesses. At the same time you want to work on the weaknesses. You know, I'll be honest --- IMO, Wentz' biggest weakness is not holding the ball too long, it's not turning the ball over, it's not his aggressiveness or "gunslinger" mentality, it's not his accuracy, it's not his mechanics --- It's his vision (or inability to diagnose the open receiver). So often you'll see him look right at a guy breaking open with tons of space and he'll hesitate to get the ball out or look at someone else.  I feel that if, as coaches, you correct this one issue, you'll find that it was the "cause" and all the other "issues" were the "effect."

How do I think the Eagles would handle it? They would probably trade Wentz to the Colts (assuming he played the final 8 games on par with the first 8 ) and let them handle it.

There is your problem. This coaching staff has been horrible with game planning since Frank left the role. One of the worst in the league in first half points. We are always a better 2nd half team after adjusting. Its almost like they don;t even game plan for the team they are playing. They are just throwing crap against the wall and seeing if it will stick. Everyone is all in on moving on from Wentz, but until they fix Doug and this coaching staff every QB will have issues here. 

13 hours ago, EaglesIreland said:

My biggest issue with Carson wentz is how in big moments he seems to force the ball to parts of the field and to players who aren’t open when there were teammates clearly open he could have thrown to. There was one game last season(or the season before) where wentz had a chance(however small) to get the go ahead score  and he snapped the ball and looked to his left and there was an open player( I want to say it was a RB) who could have walked in but you see wentz look at this player and turn away and go to his right and throw a ball into double coverage and that was it. And I know all QBs have their favourite receivers and that’s how it is, but this example of either not seeing the open player or seeing the open player and deliberately ignore the open player drives me nuts.

That was the Carolina game in 2018. Smallwood was wide open on the left but he threw into double coverage into the endzone to I believe Jeffrey?

1 hour ago, vsptroops said:

That was the Carolina game in 2018. Smallwood was wide open on the left but he threw into double coverage into the endzone to I believe Jeffrey?

There is a progression you have to follow as a QB designed by Doug and the play designer. If Jeffery was the number 1 or 2 read and Smallwood was number 4 then it makes sense why he threw to Jeffrey and not Smallwood. If he thinks there is a window he will and should take it, otherwise you basicly get check down Sam Bradford all over again. 

People keep complaining there are some players open but this is not a video game that you can see the entire field on the tv. Have to follow your progressions. By the time you get to read option number 3 or 4 they are prob not open anymore. This is more on Doug designing every play to look downfield first on every play. By the time that read is over, the other guys are not open. Doug needs to mix up the progressions better. Honestly a deep shouldnt be your number 1 read anyways, should be your 2 or 3 read. 

This is it . . . time to put & shut up.

     Let's see if Wentz can be aggressive without being stoopid.  <g>