The fact that Wentz has been outplayed by a rookie making his first starts is reason enough for them to move on from him.  Whatever he had that made him good (his athleticism) is gone.

He’s proven over and over that he’s an erratic pocket passer who makes numerous bad decisions.  After 5 years that’s not going to change.

Whether Hurts is "the guy” is a totally separate question.  

Wentz has more than proven that he isn’t "the guy”.

 

2 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

The fact that Wentz has been outplayed by a rookie making his first starts is reason enough for them to move on from him.  Whatever he had that made him good (his athleticism) is gone.

He’s proven over and over that he’s an erratic pocket passer who makes numerous bad decisions.  After 5 years that’s not going to change.

Whether Hurts is "the guy” is a totally separate question.  

Wentz has more than proven that he isn’t "the guy”.

 

You are definitely part of the Sportscenter top 10 generation.  At the end of the day, Hurts has beaten a gadget QB.  He lost to the Cardinals team that CJ Beathard just beat, who are hanging on to a playoff spot by a thread.  He has 9 fumbles in 177 touches, Wentz had 9 fumbles in 489 touches.  He also has led the Eagles to points on only 2 of 18 second half possessions.  Sure, his stats look good with no context, here is some context.  He put up 255 more yards than Carson Wentz did against the Cowboys.  The net result of those 255 yards was 3 points and 1 loss.

More evidence of Carson Wentz' atrociousness this season.  When adjusting for the performance of his supporting cast, he is performing just above the level of Dwayne Haskins, who just got unceremoniously released by the Team.  He's even worse than Drew Lock and Sam freaking Darnold.

Puts the lie to Washer propaganda trying to pin most or all of the blame on anyone and everyone else.

 

3 hours ago, downundermike said:

You are definitely part of the Sportscenter top 10 generation.  At the end of the day, Hurts has beaten a gadget QB.  He lost to the Cardinals team that CJ Beathard just beat, who are hanging on to a playoff spot by a thread.  He has 9 fumbles in 177 touches, Wentz had 9 fumbles in 489 touches.  He also has led the Eagles to points on only 2 of 18 second half possessions.  Sure, his stats look good with no context, here is some context.  He put up 255 more yards than Carson Wentz did against the Cowboys.  The net result of those 255 yards was 3 points and 1 loss.

Breathtaking gall to try to make this argument after how Carson "performed" against the Cowboys.  Then again there's no low a deluded Washer won't stoop to in order to defend their binky and his indefensible performance this year.

When your QB spends an entire season being worse than Daniel Jones and Gardner Minshew it’s time to move on.

7 hours ago, Arsenal79 said:

The fact that Wentz has been outplayed by a rookie making his first starts is reason enough for them to move on from him.  Whatever he had that made him good (his athleticism) is gone.

He’s proven over and over that he’s an erratic pocket passer who makes numerous bad decisions.  After 5 years that’s not going to change.

Whether Hurts is "the guy” is a totally separate question.  

Wentz has more than proven that he isn’t "the guy”.

 

Foles had even less mobility and won a SB for us. If mobility is a top priority we shouldn't have drafted Wentz at number 2. 

I still think if we can get the roster quality back up to 2017 levels, it doesn't really matter what kind of QB we have back there.

5 hours ago, SBorBust said:

When your QB spends an entire season being worse than Daniel Jones and Gardner Minshew it’s time to move on.

But but but, it's all Doug's fault.

10 hours ago, SBorBust said:

When your QB spends an entire season being worse than Daniel Jones and Gardner Minshew it’s time to move on.

Agreed. I mean Wentz has been worse than pretty much every QB in the league. He's been bottom 2 in the league that's for sure. He's been worse than the Dalton. 

Which NFL team has worse receivers than us?

29 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

Which NFL team has worse receivers than us?

Hmm... Good question. 

I guess NY don't have great WRs but they are still better than ours. Same with Washington. Yeah its hard to think who has worse WRs to be fair. 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Agreed. I mean Wentz has been worse than pretty much every QB in the league. He's been bottom 2 in the league that's for sure. He's been worse than the Dalton. 

If he had Dalton's weapons, he wouldn't be.

51 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

Which NFL team has worse receivers than us?

None...and its been that way for awhile.  It is something to do with this organization.  Look at the crap McNabb threw to most of his time.

14 hours ago, opa-opa said:

Foles had even less mobility and won a SB for us. If mobility is a top priority we shouldn't have drafted Wentz at number 2. 

I still think if we can get the roster quality back up to 2017 levels, it doesn't really matter what kind of QB we have back there.

I think people underestimate the chances of building a roster like the 2017 one. That roster was ridiculously successful. Basically every single FA signing was perfect. I just don't think it's realistic to have that be a goal again. You just don't see rosters that balanced and effective every year, usually the QB has to shoulder a bigger load on most SB teams. 

That being said you also had the outlier of a backup QB, along with pretty much every other offensive player, playing the game of his life during the SB. 2017 was amazing, but thinking that's going to happen again anytime soon is wishful.

On 12/28/2020 at 12:42 PM, GeorgeM37 said:

You are absolutely right...you know how many times I have been called a "hater" since expressing that carson is just not the qb we all thought he was? I have also said REPEATEDLY that its not entirely his fault....not even close and for all the reasons you listed. I agree with the lack of talent and that falls on Howie. I agree with the putrid playcalling, which falls on doug. We all know the other glaring issues that are there so no need for me to keep typing them. 

A failure all the way around.....I just hope Lurie finally sees this

I don’t think the owner will see that his number one problem is Roseman. He hasn’t replenished the talent and he has too many bad contracts. Howie’s created this mess. Even if Hurts turns out to be a stud that doesn’t excuse the pick or giving Carson all that money. Frankly the Cowboys look like geniuses for not giving that money to Dak (though not too smart for giving it to Zeke) but here the Eagles are with an albatross of a contract and a franchise quarterback that needs elite players all around him just to improve his game, because he’s not capable of elevating the people around him. It’s all just a mess that starts with Howie. 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

I don’t think the owner will see that his number one problem is Roseman. He hasn’t replenished the talent and he has too many bad contracts. Howie’s created this mess. Even if Hurts turns out to be a stud that doesn’t excuse the pick or giving Carson all that money. Frankly the Cowboys look like geniuses for not giving that money to Dak (though not too smart for giving it to Zeke) but here the Eagles are with an albatross of a contract and a franchise quarterback that needs elite players all around him just to improve his game, because he’s not capable of elevating the people around him. It’s all just a mess that starts with Howie. 

Totally agree with you. It's funny that before I saw this I was actually looking at a youtube video asking the question if ezekiel still a premier running back. For me, its a resounding NO, he is no longer that so yes, they were stupid to give him that money. But one thing I like about the cowgirls, as much as I hate them, they always seem to get it right when it comes to getting receivers. Howie simply must go and its up to upper management to see that he is the MAIN problem with how much of a mess he has created. If he doesn't agree the mess that is howie, we will continue to see horrendous seasons like what we just saw. 

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I don’t think the owner will see that his number one problem is Roseman. He hasn’t replenished the talent and he has too many bad contracts. Howie’s created this mess. Even if Hurts turns out to be a stud that doesn’t excuse the pick or giving Carson all that money. Frankly the Cowboys look like geniuses for not giving that money to Dak (though not too smart for giving it to Zeke) but here the Eagles are with an albatross of a contract and a franchise quarterback that needs elite players all around him just to improve his game, because he’s not capable of elevating the people around him. It’s all just a mess that starts with Howie. 

Needs elite players? Can't elevate players around him? WTF has he been doing since 2018? 

Ertz and Goedert are the only NFL caliber pass catchers on this team. Every year the "star" WRs get hurt and Carson has to backpack these practice squad clowns. Stop with your nonsense.

2 hours ago, ShutDownDB said:

Needs elite players? Can't elevate players around him? WTF has he been doing since 2018? 

Ertz and Goedert are the only NFL caliber pass catchers on this team. Every year the "star" WRs get hurt and Carson has to backpack these practice squad clowns. Stop with your nonsense.

In 2018 he won 5 games and you all whined he had no backs. In 2019 he won 9 games in a crap division and you all whined he had no receivers. In 2020 he won 3 games in a worse division and you said he had no team. Who’s he making better again? 

8 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

In 2018 he won 5 games and you all whined he had no backs. In 2019 he won 9 games in a crap division and you all whined he had no receivers. In 2020 he won 3 games in a worse division and you said he had no team. Who’s he making better again? 

Sure I can understand having an opinion like that if you only look at stats and final score, problem is that it's lazy. Did Max Kellerman come up with that for you? Look deeper and be better my guy.

Happy New Year everyone! 

This is the harsh truth but Wentz is probably still the best asset/player this trash team has. You can say Hurts but he is still too much of an unknown.

I don't see how you make a team better by getting rid of its best player? 

 

4 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

This is the harsh truth but Wentz is probably still the best asset/player this trash team has. You can say Hurts but he is still too much of an unknown.

I don't see how you make a team better by getting rid of its best player? 

 

Maybe true, maybe not.   That is the problem with Wentz: he is as much an unknown right now as Hurts is.

25 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

This is the harsh truth but Wentz is probably still the best asset/player this trash team has. You can say Hurts but he is still too much of an unknown.

I don't see how you make a team better by getting rid of its best player? 

 

Carson Wentz was the worst starting QB in the league this year.  Or perhaps only better than Dwayne Haskins.

So it's ridiculous to claim he's our best player.  When you factor in his massive contract, he's easily our worst player.

13 hours ago, Arsenal79 said:

Carson Wentz was the worst starting QB in the league this year.  Or perhaps only better than Dwayne Haskins.

So it's ridiculous to claim he's our best player.  When you factor in his massive contract, he's easily our worst player.

The organisation have a very difficult decision to make. Do they try and move on from Wentz and go with a different route? If they do then that's a decision they need to make this off season and not delay it. If they want to bring him back and try to fix him then they need to go offense heavy this off season (again) and fire Doug.

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The organisation have a very difficult decision to make. Do they try and move on from Wentz and go with a different route? If they do then that's a decision they need to make this off season and not delay it. If they want to bring him back and try to fix him then they need to go offense heavy this off season (again) and fire Doug.

Wentz and the fans have made the decision for them. The fans will never support Wentz again, and Wentz doesn't have the bark to tolerate us. He has to go somewhere else if he's going to succeed. 

The rest of that speculation is above my pay grade. 

59 minutes ago, wyote said:

Wentz and the fans have made the decision for them. The fans will never support Wentz again, and Wentz doesn't have the bark to tolerate us. He has to go somewhere else if he's going to succeed. 

The rest of that speculation is above my pay grade. 

I don't know about that, though. There are still plenty of fans who continue to make excuses for him and say all he needs is this or that and we will see his 2017 form again....so I am not sure about the fans not supporting him again. 

Me personally, I am pretty done with him after seeing what he could do in five years. I think thats more than enough time to accurately evaluate a player.....

I don’t think he is trash just no playoff wins 5 years, clearly regressed and has a massive contract going to waste.