2023: Continued dead cap hell (Currently $54 Million)

[HazletonEagle]

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Fortunately, most rookie QBs only get to have one rookie season, but I agree.    BTW... I think the roster is good, I wouldn't say 'ridiculously good'.  

The RB room doesn't impress me.  The safety position is still a bit weak in my mind.  Epps just isn't a guy that I see back there and think "We're set there."  I saw some discussion about how this roster stacks up against 2017.  To me, I can't really find an area of the team that is actually stronger right now than the 2017 version.  Seriously, not a single position group I'd take now over 2017.

CBs, LBs, WRs are all better. OL may still be best in the league.

RB started is far more talented, but depth is far worse, but most people will take that trade off of RB depth, to be better at those other positions.

Safety is weaker, but this is a different D scheme, and that may be by design since it seems it is an easier position to play in this style. You went from single high all the time in 2017, to what will supposedly be a ton of cover 2. 

[Iggles_Phan]

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

CBs, LBs, WRs are all better. OL may still be best in the league.

RB started is far more talented, but depth is far worse, but most people will take that trade off of RB depth, to be better at those other positions.

Safety is weaker, but this is a different D scheme, and that may be by design since it seems it is an easier position to play in this style. You went from single high all the time in 2017, to what will supposedly be a ton of cover 2. 

Yeah... CBs, I will give you.   Disagree on the LBs.  With the healthy Hicks, Bradham played his best year of his career and Kendricks actually did what he was supposed to do.

WRs?  At best a wash to me.  

OL in 2017 was a better OL than the 2022 version, still very good, but 2017 they had 4 guys all playing at an All-Pro level.  This team might have 1, outside chance at 2.

RB depth was one of the major catalysts of that team.  And I'd take Blount in 2017 over Sanders in 2022... no doubt about it to me.  And then the depth just piles on.  Ajayi over anyone else on the roster.  Clement that year was absolutely what they needed when they needed it.  Still can't believe that hip injury and how it derailed his career.  Such a shame.

[AngryBird]

This team can win with a rookie QB. As long as they manage the game, if the rest of the roster is good enough you can win the whole thing. New England made the playoffs last year with Jones who was as big of a game manager as you can possibly get, until Josh Allen abused their defense. Garoppolo on a stacked 49ers team the last couple years as well. You might even get more passing yards out of a rookie over Hurts, depending on who. We have two first rounders, if we want a top guy we'll be able to get one.

[Guest]

@paco not sure if they are accurate, but if so

 

 

[Guest]

On 9/2/2022 at 8:04 PM, downundermike said:

@paco not sure if they are accurate, but if so

 

 

@paco be curious to see what they do to be cap compliant by 4 PM EST.

[Guest]

Cap update before 4 PM

 

Starting the offseason, Eagles were somewhat OK for future cap.

On top of everything they did this year, they borrowed from the future.  As it currently sits, the Eagles have to get under the cap this afternoon, and have no rollover into next season.

January 6th, the Eagles had 43.3 million in 2023 space, now they have 11.3 million in 2023 cap space with 42 players under contract, based on projected 225 million cap.

January 6th, the Eagles had 91.7 million in 2024 space, now they have 50.3 million in 2024 cap space with 27 players under contract, based on projected 256 million cap.

Yes, they signed some guys, AJ Brown for example, but I do not think they have added 73.4 million in talent that they have used from 2023 / 2024.

[paco]

14 minutes ago, downundermike said:

@paco be curious to see what they do to be cap compliant by 4 PM EST.

I mean... they are in the red on most of their contracts:

Player	Base Salary	Prorated Bonus	Roster Bonus		Workout Bonus	Other Bonus		Guaranteed Salary		Cap Number		Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension
			Regular	Per Game
Javon Hargrave	$12,750,000	$4,802,000	$0	$0	$250,000	$0		$0		$17,802,000		$16,758,000	$1,044,000
Lane Johnson	$7,000,000	$8,612,998	$0	$0	$150,000	$0		$7,150,000		$15,762,998		$35,245,996	($19,482,998)
Darius Slay	$1,120,000	$8,611,000	$0	$0	$0	$0		$0		$9,731,000		$31,020,000	($21,289,000)
Brandon Graham	$1,150,000	$8,163,000	$0	$0	$100,000	$0		$0		$9,413,000		$26,474,000	($17,061,000)
Jason Kelce	$1,120,000	$6,925,000	$0	$0	$0	$0		$1,120,000		$8,045,000		$29,168,000	($21,123,000)
Isaac Seumalo	$5,650,000	$2,018,000	$0	$0	$0	$0		$0		$7,668,000		$5,856,000	$1,812,000
A.J. Brown	$986,000	$4,694,894	$0	$0	$0	$0		$986,000		$5,680,894		$66,130,471	($60,449,577)
Jake Elliott	$3,750,000	$1,086,000	$200,000	$0	$50,000	$0		$2,250,000		$5,086,000		$5,820,000	($734,000)
DeVonta Smith	$825,000	$3,002,071	$750,518	$0	$0	$0		$1,575,518		$4,577,589		$16,479,321	($11,901,732)
Jordan Mailata	$965,000	$3,407,000	$0	$0	$0	$0		$965,000		$4,372,000		$31,000,000	($26,628,000)
Fletcher Cox	$1,500,000	$2,500,000	$0	$0	$0	$0		$1,500,000		$4,000,000		$14,000,000	($10,000,000)
Andre Dillard	$2,182,038	$1,754,384	$0	$0	$0	$0		$2,182,038		$3,936,422		$3,936,422	$0
Haason Reddick	$1,035,000	$2,843,000	$0	$0	$250,000	$0		$1,035,000		$3,878,000		$30,000,000	($26,122,000)
Dallas Goedert	$1,035,000	$2,686,732	$0	$0	$0	$0		$1,035,000		$3,721,732		$26,674,928	($22,953,196)
Josh Sweat	$1,035,000	$2,593,000	$0	$0	$0	$0		$1,035,000		$3,628,000		$22,670,000	($19,042,000)
Jordan Davis	$705,000	$2,387,596	$0	$0	$0	$0		$705,000		$3,092,596		$17,009,278	($13,916,682)
Derek Barnett	$1,035,000	$693,000	$0	$1,000,000	$0	$0		$2,035,000		$2,669,176		$13,420,000	($10,750,824)
Avonte Maddox	$1,035,000	$1,505,266	$0	$0	$0	$0		$1,035,000		$2,540,266		$12,819,067	($10,278,801)
Gardner Minshew	$2,540,000	$0	$0	$0	$0	$0		$0		$2,540,000		$0	$2,540,000
Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, Jr.	$2,540,000	$0	$0	$0	$0	$0		$0		$2,540,000		$0	$2,540,000
James Bradberry	$1,035,000	$1,243,000	$0	$0	$0	$0		$1,035,000		$2,278,000		$7,250,000	($4,972,000)
Landon Dickerson	$1,053,485	$913,940	$0	$0	$0	$0		$1,053,485		$1,967,425		$4,384,446	($2,417,021)
Kyzir White	$1,035,000	$293,000	$0	$500,000	$0	$0		$1,035,000		$1,828,000		$2,500,000	($672,000)
Boston Scott	$1,550,000	$200,000	$0	$0	$0	$0		$800,000		$1,750,000		$1,000,000	$750,000
Miles Sanders	$1,225,941	$479,587	$0	$0	$0	$0		$0		$1,705,528		$479,587	$1,225,941
Jalen Hurts	$1,082,744	$485,486	$0	$0	$75,000	$0		$0		$1,643,230		$970,972	$672,258

 

So.... Minshew?  Extend the new guy?  

 

I'm going to go with a double dip and guess: Restructure Elliot.  Because F it  

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, paco said:

I mean... they are in the red on most of their contracts:

So.... Minshew?  Extend the new guy?  

 

I do not see anything other than Minshew or CGJ.  I guess you could convert some of Lane Johnson's base to a signing bonus, may as well start adding to that 2026 dead cap.

[paco]

On 9/2/2022 at 11:04 PM, downundermike said:

@paco not sure if they are accurate, but if so

 

 

So..... was this bogus\wrong?

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, paco said:

So..... was this bogus\wrong?

I guess technically the top 51 rule does not expire until midnight.  I assume they just have to have everything filed with the league office, and we will find out tomorrow.

 

[brkmsn]

4 hours ago, paco said:

So..... was this bogus\wrong?

The cap is a lie. 

[nipples]

On 8/31/2022 at 10:22 AM, downundermike said:

I vote for the bolded option.

I vote we wait until after the season to make that call. 
 

Look, I’m as skeptical about Hurts as anyone. But we at least need to give him a shot and see what step he takes forward this year. While I don’t think it’s likely, it is POSSIBLE that he shows dramatic improvement as a passer this season. 

[Guest]

There it is @paco, the moves to get under the cap once the top 51 rule expired last night.

 

 

[HazletonEagle]

[paco]

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

There it is @paco, the moves to get under the cap once the top 51 rule expired last night.

 

 

OMG

21 hours ago, paco said:

I'm going to go with a double dip and guess: Restructure Elliot.  Because F it  

 

I wasn't serious  

[paco]

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

This is fitting.  If you don't understand it, its magic.  If you do, its a science.  

 

So of course you went the Harry Potter route

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

No, keeps kicking the can, and already adding to future dead money.  Maybe instead having 1/4 of your cap dead every year, they could actually use it on talent to put on the field.

[HazletonEagle]

3 minutes ago, paco said:

This is fitting.  If you don't understand it, its magic.  If you do, its a science.  

 

So of course you went the Harry Potter route

 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

No, keeps kicking the can, and already adding to future dead money.  Maybe instead having 1/4 of your cap dead every year, they could actually use it on talent to put on the field.

 

Well, I already posted this in the other thread but maybe its more fitting here.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Well, I already posted this in the other thread but maybe its more fitting here.

We are happy that you are happy with a bunch of dead cap.  If you don't have dead cap, you can sign Marcus Williams, instead of trading for CGJ as a 1 year rental.

[HazletonEagle]

Just now, downundermike said:

We are happy that you are happy with a bunch of dead cap.  If you don't have dead cap, you can sign Marcus Williams, instead of trading for CGJ as a 1 year rental.

Im good with the group of players we got instead. 

[Infam]

On 8/31/2022 at 4:55 PM, Iggles_Phan said:

  I saw some discussion about how this roster stacks up against 2017.  To me, I can't really find an area of the team that is actually stronger right now than the 2017 version.  Seriously, not a single position group I'd take now over 2017.

So you pick Alshon Jeffery, Torrey Smith and Nelson Agholor over Brown, Smith and Watkins?

Jalen Mills and Ronald Darby over Slay and Bradberry? 😂

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im good with the group of players we got instead. 

Update

Jan 26th, 2023 cap space 43.3 million - today, 2023 cap space, 9.6 million ( with 42 players under contract )

Jan 26th, 2024 cap space, 91.7 million - today, 2024 cap space, 48.5 million ( with 27 players under contract )

Bad management.

[HazletonEagle]

20 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Update

Jan 26th, 2023 cap space 43.3 million - today, 2023 cap space, 9.6 million ( with 42 players under contract )

Jan 26th, 2024 cap space, 91.7 million - today, 2024 cap space, 48.5 million ( with 27 players under contract )

Bad management.

Yeah...  Watch how great those offseasons are anyway.

Nothing to worry about. 

Been proven to you for years. 

Relax.

[CouchKing]

[Iggles_Phan]

2 hours ago, Infam said:

So you pick Alshon Jeffery, Torrey Smith and Nelson Agholor over Brown, Smith and Watkins?

Jalen Mills and Ronald Darby over Slay and Bradberry? 😂

No, I forgot how bad the CBs were.  But, I think the WRs for that year were just as productive as the 3 you mention would be, based on how they were used.   The Eagles ran a lot of 12 and even 13 personnel due to the glut of talent they had at TE.  They don't have that depth anymore at TE, so they have to count on the WRs more.   Different utility.  But, I'd say that the 2017 group of receivers (WRs, TEs and RBs) match up favorably to this group of receivers (WRs, TEs and RBs).   At worst, it's a wash.