November 12, 20204 yr 15 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said: Perhaps my man Joe needs to read up on the separation of church and state: https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/885/establishment-clause-separation-of-church-and-state Maybe you need to read that, seems you dont understand what separation of church and state even means.
November 13, 20204 yr I feel like I'm in bizzaro world. Repubs arguing against a meeting with the Pope and Dems arguing for. Next up Dems arguing for the Pro-life side.
November 13, 20204 yr Quote WILMINGTON, Del. — President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. named Ron Klain, a veteran Democratic operative and a decades-long confidant, to be his White House chief of staff Wednesday evening, the first step toward putting in place his administration’s senior leadership. Mr. Klain, a lawyer with deep experience on Capitol Hill, with advising President Barack Obama and in corporate board rooms, served as Mr. Biden’s chief of staff when he was vice president and has been seen for months as the likeliest choice to manage his team in the White House
November 13, 20204 yr Quote Biden doesn't disappoint most EU leaders after first few days Sander Van Horn Correspondent EU · Go to sander van Hoorn's Twitter account After the congratulations for the winner of the US presidential election from almost everyone who matters within the EU, the first phone calls soon followed. And they did not disappoint, can be heard in Brussels. On Tuesday, Biden called committee chairman Von der Leyen, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Macron. That this will happen so soon after his election, politicians in Brussels are hopeful. In the talks, European leaders expressed the hope for a "close relationship of trust" (Merkel) and "multilateral cooperation on climate, security and health" (Macron). Biden is known as a multilateralist. As vice president under Obama, he was often in Europe, witnessing the number of photos european leaders tweeted of meetings they had with Biden in his previous post. Nevertheless, expectations of cooperation before the elections were tempered in Brussels.
November 13, 20204 yr On 11/10/2020 at 1:31 PM, vikas83 said: Interesting discussion. Some thoughts after scanning through: @The Norseman: I don't think Trump moved the GOP as much as you do, especially on social issues. Look at his three SCOTUS picks. People now think Roe v. Wade may be overturned if a case reaches the Supreme Court. This is the statement I am talking about: As I look at it, the party is still vehemently opposed to abortion and gay marriage, maybe even more so. Abortion laws in many states have become more restrictive, and I really can't think of anything Trump did on Gay marriage. The party remains white, rural and Christian. Where I agree with you is that Trump did change the party's socio-economic appeal, bringing in white working class voters who feel screwed over by globalization and alienated from a Democratic Party that is waaaaaaaaaaaaay too focused on identity politics. Trump gave a voice to the non-college educated, white working class voters who have seen 30+ years of outsourcing take away their livelihood. Bill Clinton felt their pain, but Donald Trump reflected their rage. His supporters love him because they view him as an avatar for their anger, fear and grievances. However, because Trump is incompetent and a con man, he had neither the ability nor the desire to actually do anything for these people. He spent 4+ years getting them to blame "others" (Democrats, China, immigrants, etc.) but his actual policies were abject failures. The USMCA is just NAFTA with a new name. His trade policies with China have caused a massive tax increase on US consumers and no real benefit to US exporters. His success was that he paid attention to and reflected their justifiable anger, just as the Democrats were ignoring them and taking them for granted. It is almost like they just wanted someone to listen and speak to them, and he tapped into that. @VanHammersly and @JohnSnowsHair: Biden needs to speak to these people, and has to tell them the hard truth. The manufacturing jobs aren't coming back in a global economy where labor is cheaper overseas. The anomaly was post war America, where unskilled labor allowed for a good middle class lifestyle. Biden needs to connect with these people, go back to Clinton's "I feel your pain" message, which he was able to do during the campaign. And Joe needs to dump the fringe left wing of his party. A GOP Senate (as I believe @The Norseman) pointed out would be a gift to him here -- it gives him an excuse for why he needs to take more moderate steps. My one takeaway: We need to do away with the primary system which allows the fringes to dominate. If you're a GOP Congressman, your district is likely safely Republican. The threat to your seat isn't coming from Democrats, but from the right in a primary. Same for Democrats in liberal districts. Anyone who is moderate or works with the other side immediately gets a primary challenge from the extreme. That needs to be changed in order for the government to function. So what’s the alternative to a primary? Open primary?
November 13, 20204 yr 22 hours ago, VanHammersly said: I never understood why Dems didn't play up the fact that Trump's an atheist more. They should've treated his election as an historic moment when the first atheist was elected President, finally breaking the glass ceiling. Well the fact that Trump hasn't been inside of a church in 4 years should be self evident to those pious Trump voters.
November 13, 20204 yr 17 minutes ago, Bill said: So what’s the alternative to a primary? Open primary? Ranked choice voting would be nice.
November 13, 20204 yr 6 minutes ago, Gannan said: Ranked choice voting would be nice. Yeah but then we will have about eight thousand candidates to research before the election and if people have to do more than 30 seconds of research they’re going to go with whatever candidate has the best sound byte.
November 13, 20204 yr Countering Trumpers Joy over Alsaka.https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/12/politics/biden-wins-arizona/index.html For just the second time in more than seven decades, a Democrat will carry Arizona in a presidential election, a monumental shift for a state that was once a Republican stronghold. CNN projected on Thursday that President-elect Joe Biden will carry Arizona, defeating President Donald Trump and providing Democrats in Arizona and the universe of allied grassroots organizations in the state with a crowning achievement a decade in the making.
November 13, 20204 yr 38 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Well the fact that Trump hasn't been inside of a church in 4 years should be self evident to those pious Trump voters. It should be, but it's not. But if CNN had gone on and on praising Trump for being the first atheist President, airing Soledad O'Brien specials about him breaking the mold and how inclusive it is to have president that doesn't believe in God, not only would it have been hilarious and very on-brand for CNN, but Trump's such a moron egomaniac he'd probably repost it and brag about it without realizing how much damage he would be doing to himself. Would have been a brilliant move but unfortunately not something the so-called liberal media would ever do.
November 13, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said: She coming for you Joe! "Cheaters don't win." Well at least we agree on that, Tubby McGee
November 14, 20204 yr 4 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: "Cheaters don't win." Well at least we agree on that, Tubby McGee Lol, she looks like she be inbred a bit. She should worry about finding the money to bail her kid out of jail. People are not going to care what biden called her son when he is in jail for murder.
November 16, 20204 yr Anyone think the inauguration is going to look a lot different this year with death threats looming from now until then? I wonder if they will even have it outside.
November 19, 20204 yr https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-us-election-news-11-19-20/h_f4bd370388e921c2facac83e35d64d6d Quote President-elect Joe Biden vowed today that he would not shut down the economy as the US continues to struggle under the weight of the coronavirus pandemic. "I am not going to shut down the economy, period. I'm going to shut down the virus. That's what I'm going to shut down," Biden said. Biden added: "No national shutdown, because every region, every area, every community can be different. And so there's no circumstance which I can see that would require total national shutdown. I think that would be counterproductive." There goes one of the right's favorite scare tactics. You hate to see it.
November 20, 20204 yr 19 hours ago, VanHammersly said: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-us-election-news-11-19-20/h_f4bd370388e921c2facac83e35d64d6d There goes one of the right's favorite scare tactics. You hate to see it. Did he take everyone's guns yet ?? Of course not, another scare tactic.
November 20, 20204 yr alright enough already, now biden is just gloating and showboating by winning these states multiple times. somebody please, have a heart & call this damn thing for mercy sakes. c'mon, one of you trumpers have to throw in the towel. just like rocky should've for apollo.
November 20, 20204 yr 8 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said: alright enough already, now biden is just gloating and showboating by winning these states multiple times. somebody please, have a heart & call this damn thing for mercy sakes. c'mon, one of you trumpers have to throw in the towel. just like rocky should've for apollo. LOL. The race was called weeks ago. We've torn down the ring, turned off the lights, and went home. Moving ahead to Inauguration Day 2021! Go take this to one of the threads where the losers hang out.
November 20, 20204 yr 5 minutes ago, toolg said: LOL. The race was called weeks ago. We've torn down the ring, turned off the lights, and went home. Moving ahead to Inauguration Day 2021! Go take this to one of the threads were the losers hang out. well somebody needs to let trump know. poor fella, he's obviously punch drunk from the beating he took. it's elder abuse by his supporters, letting this go on.
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