August 25, 20223 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: You said his positions were clear, Mike. I figured it wouldn't take long to quickly rattle off his firm stance on healthcare and what policies he'd like to see put in place. Ok can we discuss that in one of the many appropriate threads or should the entire planet cater to TDS? Maybe youre mad because you spiked the football about Covid only for Biden to use it as justification for his vote buying scheme?
August 25, 20223 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: Ok can we discuss that in one of the many appropriate threads or should the entire planet cater to TDS? Maybe youre mad because you spiked the football about Covid only for Biden to use it as justification for his vote buying scheme? Somebody's big mad that Biden just got himself some new voters. Cry more, Mike.
August 25, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: Experts have been citing a food shortage for a few years now. Of which the pandemic only exasterbated. The steps taken , helped But do go on making the leftist talking points. https://reliefweb.int/report/world/global-report-food-crises-2018 https://peaksci.com/food-shortages-coming https://www.cnet.com/culture/tomato-shortage-on-the-rise-and-9-more-hard-to-find-grocery-items/ https://peaksci.com/food-shortages-coming Your first link is about global food shortages which indirectly reinforces my point since we're the top exporter, then you posted another link about global food shortages twice, and the other is a cnet article about tomatoes
August 25, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Somebody's big mad that Biden just got himself some new voters. Cry more, Mike. So you admit its vote buying. My job is done here. When will you be rescinding all of those celebratory covid posts? Since its still a national emergency, and all
August 25, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: So you admit its vote buying. My job is done here. When will you be rescinding all of those celebratory covid posts? Since its still a national emergency, and all I admit that giving 10K in student debt relief will undoubtably garner him more votes, just like Trump handing out taxpayer money like candy and then personally signing that candy undoubtably kept him from losing in a landslide in 2020. The problem with your position, Mike, is that no one cares. The left is happy that a lot of their debt is payed off and the right is all about socialism as long as it's their guy dolling out the public funds. Which means all the opposition to it is theatre, which is what happens when you're a party that abandons all your principals every election cycle.
August 25, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: The problem with your position, Mike, is that no one cares. The left is happy that a lot of their debt is payed off and the right is all about socialism as long as it's their guy dolling out the public funds. Which means all the opposition to it is theatre, which is what happens when you're a party that abandons all your principals every election cycle. Oh ok, no one cares. Talk about wishful thinking. "A lot" of their debt isnt paid off though. That's the funny part. I feel badly for those principals.
August 25, 20223 yr I'm seeing dumb ish like this on twitter justifying the loan forgiveness program and honestly, it drives me up a wall. For starters, the implication that the people strapped to the trolley tracks represent anyone with a student loan is laughable. Nobody was ever forced to take out a student loan. You willingly entered into a contract with the lender and agreed to pay it back by a given date. In other words, you walked yourself over to the tracks far ahead of where the trolley should be, and then laid down with the idea that you'd have built up enough financial security before the trolley ever got to you. Further, anyone who was "run over" by the trolley simply abided by the terms of the contract and repaid their loans like a respectable person would. We did our due diligence and made sure the loan was for a degree that would allow us to enter a field where we could get a job that would allow us to repay the debt we freely accepted at the time. And to be clear, I'm one of the biggest advocates for our collective need to become more educated as a country. We have far too many people that actually take pride in their ignorance, and it's staggering how being stupid is somehow en vogue. It's a deep-seated cultural issue in both red and blue states, starting from very young ages. That being said, there are far better ways to achieve this than a blanket handout to anyone with any amount of outstanding student debt.
August 25, 20223 yr 35 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: And here's the level of intelligence Boogerpicker brings to any discussion. So glad he chimes in with such insightful discourse. Just a guess, he's the jester who lightenes up the mood while he is working the cash register at 7-11. Work? Meh. 50 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Please explain his position on healthcare. His last official position was that he didn't know it could be so complicated.
August 25, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said: Bailouts to farmers are no different than bailouts to people with student loans. Both are vote buying schemes, but only one of us has to pretend that they're different because they have built a shrine to the politician they worship. This might be one of the most retarded positions I've seen you take on here.
August 25, 20223 yr Guess what. Trump bailing out farmers from the impacts of a ridiculous trade war he started (which produced no tangible results) was wrong. Biden cancelling student debt is wrong. Both are true statements. It's also true that Biden's $300bn plan is more reckless than Trump's ~$20-25bn plan. But they both sucked. The reason Biden's plan sucks more is because it is larger and simply exacerbates the problem. The issue is that the Federal government is the only person in the student loan business, and they give a loan to anyone to study anything regardless of the ROIC. I love all the morons talking about "we should make the lenders feel the pain!" -- the taxpayers ARE the lenders you idiots. You want to fix this? Stop giving loans to anyone to study anything at any college. Pouring even MORE money into the system is the exact opposite of that. EDIT: Also, change the bankruptcy laws to make student debt extinguishable in a BK filing. We have a mechanism for dealing with bad loans...use it.
August 25, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Guess what. Trump bailing out farmers from the impacts of a ridiculous trade war he started (which produced no tangible results) was wrong. Biden cancelling student debt is wrong. Both are true statements. It's also true that Biden's $300bn plan is more reckless than Trump's ~$20-25bn plan. But they both sucked. The reason Biden's plan sucks more is because it is larger and simply exacerbates the problem. The issue is that the Federal government is the only person in the student loan business, and they give a loan to anyone to study anything regardless of the ROIC. I love all the morons talking about "we should make the lenders feel the pain!" -- the taxpayers ARE the lenders you idiots. You want to fix this? Stop giving loans to anyone to study anything at any college. Pouring even MORE money into the system is the exact opposite of that. EDIT: Also, change the bankruptcy laws to make student debt extinguishable in a BK filing. We have a mechanism for dealing with bad loans...use it. wait, are you both siding it here ? you know how well that goes over in cvon.
August 25, 20223 yr This one is kind of interesting. On the one hand, you could argue that it's an effective vote-buying strategy. On the other, even CVON's liberals seem to be universally agreeing that this is an awful idea, and these are people that have proven themselves to be some of the most retarded and devoted Biden stans around. So if they have the ability to recognize it, seems like the vast majority of the country will be able to as well.
August 25, 20223 yr Author 1 hour ago, vikas83 said: The issue is that the Federal government is the only person in the student loan business
August 25, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Kz! said: This might be one of the most retarded positions I've seen you take on here. I really cant say that about him, I have seen some really bad takes from him. This is just another in a long line of bad takes. He and others in here are putty in the hands of the Dems and corporate media, all they do is parrot the narratives pushed forth. I get it though, not everyone can be capable of critical thinking on their own, those that cant parrot the agreed narratives.
August 25, 20223 yr 51 minutes ago, Kz! said: This one is kind of interesting. On the one hand, you could argue that it's an effective vote-buying strategy. On the other, even CVON's liberals seem to be universally agreeing that this is an awful idea, and these are people that have proven themselves to be some of the most retarded and devoted Biden stans around. So if they have the ability to recognize it, seems like the vast majority of the country will be able to as well. Would agree, but, most are hypocrites and will easily look the other way on this just to own Repubs. 1 minute ago, M.C. said: How do other nations handle student loans? Last time I checked we aren't "other nations", we give money to other nations, we provide Military protection to other nations etc...
August 25, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, vikas83 said: Guess what. Trump bailing out farmers from the impacts of a ridiculous trade war he started (which produced no tangible results) was wrong. Biden cancelling student debt is wrong. Both are true statements. It's also true that Biden's $300bn plan is more reckless than Trump's ~$20-25bn plan. But they both sucked. The reason Biden's plan sucks more is because it is larger and simply exacerbates the problem. The issue is that the Federal government is the only person in the student loan business, and they give a loan to anyone to study anything regardless of the ROIC. I love all the morons talking about "we should make the lenders feel the pain!" -- the taxpayers ARE the lenders you idiots. You want to fix this? Stop giving loans to anyone to study anything at any college. Pouring even MORE money into the system is the exact opposite of that. EDIT: Also, change the bankruptcy laws to make student debt extinguishable in a BK filing. We have a mechanism for dealing with bad loans...use it. Just change the Fing law. Govt caused all this and now wants a pat on the back for trying to "fix" it. In 1976 when Congress amended the Higher Education Act of 1965. In Section 439A of the Act, Congress made student loans nondischargeable in bankrupty.
August 25, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Mike31mt said: Oh ok, no one cares. Talk about wishful thinking. "A lot" of their debt isnt paid off though. That's the funny part. I feel badly for those principals. You're right, not no one. The millions that are getting debt relief care and in large part, their votes will reflect that. But the critics on the right who praised Trump for signing direct socialist payments? Yeah, they don't care one bit.
August 25, 20223 yr 18 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Obama made this a reality https://educationdata.org/student-loan-debt-statistics#:~:text=The outstanding federal loan balance,be as high as %2440%2C274. Quote The outstanding federal loan balance is $1.620 trillion and accounts for 92.7% of all student loan debt. https://abcnews.go.com/WN/Politics/health-care-obama-signs-student-loan-overhaul-legislation/story?id=10239569 Quote The student lending overhaul ends the current program that subsidizes banks and other financial institutions for issuing loans, instead allowing students to borrow directly from the federal government. Interest rates for some borrowers will also be lowered. Now, instead of having banks use government money to loan tuition, the government will lend the funds directly. Starting July 1, all new federal student loans will be delivered and collected by private companies under performance-based contracts with the Department of Education, according to officials. Facts matter
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