6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I made my own comment and thus created my own argument.  My absolutely true point remains, you all are acting like inflation isnt real and that Biden has actually done a damn thing about it and both are wrong.

Sorry Biden sucks at his job so much and fooled you all into thinking he doesnt

No one was acting like inflation isn’t real. And aside from poking fun at you nimrods, very few people here think that the POTUS has as much control of the economy as MAGA morons do. You can’t blame Biden for everything wrong with the economy and then turn around and not give him credit for the positive aspects of the economy unless you are hypocritical hack. 

6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Its almost like Biden said the Act did absolutely nothing and had no impact and yet you guys are still pretending it did.

Actually thats exactly what youre all doing.  Willful ignorance. 

You're still having one.

That's not even what he said.  He never said the Inflation Reduction Act "did absolutely nothing and had no impact".  He said:

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"I wish I hadn’t called it that because it has less to do with reducing inflation than it has to do with providing alternatives that generate economic growth,” Biden said Thursday at a fundraiser in Utah, adding that he still believes that with the law "we’re literally reducing the cost of people being able to meet their basic needs.”

So, inflation went down dramatically (whether it was directly because of the bill or because Biden prays for America every night) and on top of that, the bill reduced healthcare costs, created tax cuts, created jobs and stimulated the economy...and yet you're still furious because of some vague issue around the name of the bill.

Please keep going, Mike.

2 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

You refuted that point by saying that the bill did reduce inflation. Thats why you mentioned 8/2022. It didnt and you were wrong.

Be a big boy and own your mistake

You hit the nail on the head, because I definitely did not bring up that date to refute Kz's laughably idiotic tweet and follow up posts about the act causing a rise in inflation. Nothing gets past you, Sherlock.

chanley painter

1 hour ago, Tweek said:

Shocking 

Joe Biden's Impeachment Falls Apart

Republican efforts to impeach President Joe Biden suffered a blow after fresh evidence emerged showing his bid to remove Ukrainian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin in 2015 represented U.S. government policy.

 

Then-Vice President Biden met Petro Poroshenko, the Ukrainian president at the time, in December 2015, after which he claimed he'd threatened to withhold $1 billion in U.S. aid to Kyiv, unless Shokin was removed from his post, which he subsequently was.

Some conservatives have suggested Biden was attempting to protect Ukrainian energy company Burisma, the board of which his son, Hunter Biden, had joined in 2014, by moving against Shokin. However a pre-meeting memo prepared for Biden by the State Department, dated November 25, 2015, made it clear that removing Shokin was the Obama administration's policy.

The document called for Shokin's "removal," claiming he was "widely regarded as an obstacle to fighting corruption, if not a source of the problem." This document was published by John Solomon, a conservative commentator who has argued Biden did call for Shokin's removal to advance his son's business activities, on his Just The News website.

 

The sad part is, the lack of evidence won't stop them from impeaching him. They will say whatever they want. i.e. propaganda. They have the simple majority to vote for it any way.

35 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

...because Biden prays for America...

more like PREYS ON America!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

jk just trying to fit in

7 hours ago, Toastrel said:

 

Trump hasn't been able to do this for decades.

Can the people of CVON still do it? 

Well let's see. Many of the supply chain problems have been resolved. That should help to decrease the cost of production. Thanks Joe.

Also, the chip issue has been addressed, as chip manufacturing in the USA is breaking ground on new manufacturing plants in several states, reducing our dependence on China and, creating thousands of american jobs. Thanks Joe.

Biden is reducing health care costs even more by adding more drugs to the list that Medicare can negotiate for. I'm still waiting for the Obama Death Care panels. 

The unemployment rate 3.4% is at historic lows. Thanks Joe.

Biden cut the deficit in his first 2 yrs. by 1.7 Trillion. Thanks Joe.

1 hour ago, Mike31mt said:

Im not cherry picking jack squat, you all were in here crowing about how awesome and effective the IRA was and Biden himself says youre all wrong.  Deal with it, it didnt do jack ish for inflation, and in fact may have further delayed the regression to the mean.

So you think Biden is wrong about everything, is senile and can't complete a sentence, but on this one thing you are using what he said one time as the crux of your entire ranting argument. Do I have that right?

Health care still needs work.  Lots of it.  I'm drowning in $3K plus deductibles every year.  The Marketplace/state stuff is an abomination.  My 30 year old is not insured.  I will try again, but I am also looking into other means of insuring him.  Like short term, or a private policy.

 

Edited to also say I don't want to make decisions about my health and testing based on what some insurance company tells me I can or can't have, and of course how much it is costing me.  I very simply could just stop, not incur any of these costs, thus likely leading me to an earlier death.

This is what Biden will be remembered for, IMO. The U.S. Manufacturing Boom. Love that Republicans take claim for it but voted against it. I hope folks in Ohio remember who brought manufacturing back to the State. Joe Biden.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/new-us-fabs-everything-we-know

U.S. Semiconductor Renaissance: All the Upcoming Fabs

By Anton Shilov

 published August 29, 2022

Everything we know about new chip manufacturing facilities in America.

The U.S. share of global semiconductor manufacturing capacity has decreased from 37% in 1990 to 12% in 2021, according to the Semiconductor Industry Association (SIA), but some 47% of the chips sold worldwide are designed in the U.S. This disparity poses major risks to American national security and the economy, which is why both industry insiders and politicians recently began to call for building semiconductor fabs in the USA.  

Their calls have been heard, and today five major chipmakers — GlobalFoundries, Intel, Samsung Foundry, TSMC, and Texas Instruments — are building new semiconductor production facilities in the U.S. These efforts will inevitably be bolstered by a new wave of funding provided by the newly-approved CHIPS act. This U.S. subsidy initiative will pump $52 billion into new US-based chip fabs and provide fresh tax incentives. Those funds will spur a wave of new investment over the coming years, and its sorely needed. 

There are many reasons why countries like Taiwan, South Korea, and Singapore became leading producers of logic and memory chips in the 1990s and 2000s. In addition to lower labor costs in these states, those governments and their local authorities provided various incentives to chipmakers, which is why it was significantly cheaper to build fabs in Asia than in the U.S. and Europe.  

New York and Saratoga County authorities understood this early and offered AMD significant incentives in 2006 when the company made plans for what is now known as GlobalFoundries Fab 8. Unfortunately, other states and the federal government weren't that agile, which is why the deployment of brand-new fabs became a rare occurrence in America. In fact, Intel even adjusted its manufacturing capacity strategy, culminating in it delaying the Fab 42 equipment move in by five years and its coming online by six years. 

While we can't say that the semiconductor production industry in the U.S. didn't add capacity in recent years — both Intel and GlobalFoundries gradually expanded their production capacities in the late 2010s — brand-new leading-edge fabs haven't been deployed in the U.S. for a while. That's about to change. Here's how and where those changes will take place. 

 

Intel: Spending Over $40 Billion on Chip Facilities in the U.S. 

Intel is certainly one of the oldest chipmakers in the U.S. and one of the world's biggest. It also happens to be the only company spending more than $40 billion on new semiconductor fabs in the U.S. Unlike some of its industry peers that set long-term plans and option new fabs, Intel is investing tens of billions of dollars into four U.S. fabs that will come online in three years. Currently, Intel is building four chip production plants, two in Arizona and two in Ohio, and one advanced packaging facility in New Mexico.  

Arizona 

Intel broke ground on Fab 52 and Fab 62 in the Ocotillo campus near Chandler, Arizona, in late September 2021, and the construction of those buildings is well underway. The fabs are designed to produce chips using Intel's 20A fabrication technology both for Intel and its Intel Foundry Services customers.

 

Intel's 20A production node will be the company's first process to incorporate RibbonFET gate-all-around field-effect transistors (GAAFETs) and PowerVia backside power delivery. These radical improvements are expected to bring significant power, performance, and area (PPA) improvements. 

Intel's Fab 52 and Fab 62 will come online in 2024 and cost around $20 billion. These fabs will be instrumental for Intel's IDM 2.0 strategy that will find the company manufacturing chips for other companies, a first. 

Ohio 

Intel is building two fabs in Ohio that are yet to be named, but their significance for Intel and the U.S. chip industry is hard to overestimate. For years, Intel has gradually expanded its mega sites in Arizona, New Mexico, and Oregon. Expanding existing campuses makes a lot of sense since the semiconductor supply chain is very complex. Intel needs support from partners (e.g., raw materials suppliers, parts, etc.) with a local presence.  

In Ohio, Intel wants to establish yet another mega site that will house up to eight semiconductor manufacturing facilities (we would include an advanced packaging facility, too, but Intel has not confirmed this). The site will require investments of around $100 billion to be fully built over the next decade. Furthermore, the new campus will require Intel's partners to establish a local presence, which essentially means a major expansion of the U.S. semiconductor supply chain. Actually, of all the chipmakers building new plants in the U.S., only Intel is willing to build a new mega-site from scratch. 

The first two new fabs are near Columbus, Ohio, and are expected to produce chips on Intel's 18A/20A nodes sometime in 2025 when they come online. Intel's 18A manufacturing technology was meant to be the first fabrication process to take advantage of ASML's Twinscan EXE 0.55 High-NA extreme ultraviolet (EUV) lithography scanners. However, earlier this year, Intel said it could keep using current-gen Twinscan NXE 0.33 NA EUV tools for 18A by adopting multi-patterning. But even without High-NA tools, the new technology promises to bring a variety of power, performance, and area (PPA) advantages as it will rely on Intel's 2nd-Gen GAA RibbonFETs. 

Intel's mega fab project will initially cost over $20 billion and will be Ohio's biggest economic development project in history. To lure Intel to Ohio, the state had to provide Intel with about $2.1 billion in various incentives. In addition, Intel is requesting funding from the federal government as part of the CHIPS act, but it isn't clear how much funding it will receive.  

In fact, government funding is crucial for Intel's Ohio mega site project. Fab buildings are not expensive (but have the longest lead time), but semiconductor production tools are (e.g., one EUV scanner costs about $160 million). Intel can build shells, but then it needs to equip them with tools in a timely manner to meet its production schedules. Equipping a fab for a leading-edge node means buying all kinds of lithography (including immersion and EUV scanners), coating, etching, deposition, resist removal, inspection, and other tools, which cost billions of dollars.   

If it takes too long to equip a brand-new chip plant due to a lack of financial resources, Intel can add extra tools to an existing facility to produce chips on a certain new node. But this means that Intel will have to put its new building on hold and wait for another opportunity to equip it, which means that it will generate costs without producing any earnings. 

While Intel officially considers spare fab shells as a 'smart capital strategy' that gives it flexibility in how and when it brings additional capacity and tools online, it is still better to equip the buildings after they are constructed. This is why Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger warned the U.S. authorities and legislators that if the CHIPS act bill was not passed and the company didn't get financial incentives and support from the government, he might move the company's next mega site project to Europe. 

New Mexico 

Intel's advanced packaging facility in New Mexico will enable the company and its clients to build complicated multi-chiplet designs (a-la Meteor Lake) that will become widespread in the coming years in the U.S. 

Since sophisticated packaging technologies like embedded multi-die interconnect bridge (EMIB) and Foveros require a cleanroom, it is safe to call the packaging operations in New Mexico a fab. In fact, the equipment for the packaging facility will cost Intel $3.5 billion, the price of a new fab a couple of decades ago.  

The advanced packaging operations will be instrumental for producing sophisticated designs in the U.S. when it becomes operational in 2023 ~ 2024, so this is yet another Intel project whose importance for the U.S. semiconductor industry is hard to overrate. 

TSMC: 5nm Coming to the U.S. 

TSMC made quite a splash when it announced plans to build its 5nm-capable fab near Phoenix, Arizona, in mid-2020. Throughout its history, the company has only built two fabs outside of Taiwan — the WaferTech plant in Camas, Washington (which still processes 200-mm wafers using mature nodes) and Fab 16 in Nanjing, Jiangsu Province, China (which makes chips using TSMC's 28nm nodes). Therefore, the intention to build a fairly advanced fab in Arizona was considered a major shift in strategy. 

Being the world's largest contract chipmaker, TSMC certainly has hundreds of customers in the USA, so bringing a fab closer to them might be beneficial. Yet, the first phase of the fab will have a capacity of around 20,000 WSPM (wafer starts per month) when it becomes operational in early 2024, which is significantly lower than the fabs that TSMC operates in Taiwan. Consequently, many observers view the project as a method to address some very specific customers serving the U.S. government and military institutions, as well as a way to please the U.S. government that wants to diversify chip supply chains amid its tensions with China. 

Later, it transpired that TSMC considers its Fab 21 project as yet another multi-phase fab, albeit co-financed by the state of Arizona and the U.S. government. TSMC will build its Fab 21 in six phases over many years to come. The first phase will come online in early 2024 and produce chips using TSMC's N5 (N5, N5P, N4, N4P, N4X) family of process technologies, but it is logical to expect subsequent phases to adopt more advanced nodes. 

In any case, a TSMC fab coming to Arizona will strengthen the U.S. semiconductor industry. Meanwhile, it is necessary to note that the world's No. 1 foundry chose Arizona because this state already hosts an Intel mega site, which means access to experienced talent and a variety of relevant suppliers. 

GlobalFoundries: New Facilities for Specialty Chips

Since 2012, when GlobalFoundries's completed its Fab 8, the company has been gradually increasing the production capacity of the facility either by expanding its cleanroom space or by installing more advanced equipment with higher productivity.

 

Last year, the company announced plans to invest $1 billion to increase Fab 8's capacity from 47,500 wafer starts per month (WSPM) to 60,000 WSPM. Interestingly, GlobalFoundries only shipped 35,700 wafers from Fab 8 in 2021. 

GlobalFoundries's Fab 8 processes wafers using a host of fabrication technologies, including various FinFET-based nodes (14LPP, 14HP, 12LP, 12LP+) as well as NVM, RFSOI, and Silicon Photonics, which are important nodes not only for GloFo's U.S.-based customers but also for the country's national security as the military uses many of GF's chips.  

In addition, GlobalFoundries said it would build an all-new fab in Malta, New York, in a private-public partnership to support growing demand. The company hasn't revealed any information about this upcoming production facility, but given GlobalFoundries's focus on specialty nodes, expect the new chip plant to be aimed at various advanced specialty manufacturing technologies. 

Recently Thomas Caulfield, chief executive of GlobalFoundries, said that GloFo would need financial support from the U.S. government provided under the CHIPS act to build and equip the new fab in New York quickly.  

Samsung Foundry: SF's Leading-Edge Nodes Return to the U.S. 

The Samsung Foundry division was quietly established in the U.S. in 2005 (with U.S.-based Qualcomm being the first customer). Since 2009, it has produced chips for Samsung and third-party customers in Austin, Texas. 

 

Since Samsung was a part of IBM's common platform alliance (together with AMD/GlobalFoundries, Chartered, Freescale, and Infineon), at some point, it made sense for Samsung Foundry to produce chips using leading-edge technologies co-developed with its partners at its S2 plant in Austin, Texas. As a result, Samsung made its advanced 32nm, 28nm, and 14nm SoCs in Texas. In fact, cross-fab compatibility (and hence flexibility) between S2, S1 (Giheung, South Korea), and GF's Fab 8 provided Samsung with many advantages and put the Texas production facility in a unique position with its 14nm node.

Since IBM's fab club essentially ceased to exist and Samsung needed EUV lithography both for its DRAM and SoCs, it eventually moved its leading-edge node production to South Korea, leaving its S2 fab in Texas with older trailing nodes (14nm/11nm ~ 65nm). But Samsung still has many customers in the U.S. that need leading-edge nodes, so in late 2021 the company announced plans to build an all-new fab near Taylor, Texas. The project will cost $17 billion, and the new facility will come online in the second half of 2024. 

Samsung hasn't formally disclosed which process technologies it will use at its new fab in Texas. Meanwhile, the company indicated that it would use the facility to manufacture chips for 5G, mobile, high-performance computing (HPC), and artificial intelligence (AI) applications starting in the second half of 2024. Timing and target applications clearly indicate that we are dealing with an advanced fab. 

While this is pure speculation, we would expect Samsung to use its Taylor fab to produce chips on various 3nm-class fabrication nodes that rely on GAA transistors. As a result, Samsung will bring its leading-edge nodes back to Texas, which is good news for the company's customers in the U.S. and the country's semiconductor industry. 

But Samsung Foundry apparently has big plans for Texas that span through 2042. The contract chipmaker recently filed 11 applications seeking tax breaks in Austin and Taylor for building new chip plants in the Manor and Taylor school districts. The total cost of the fabs is $192 billion (i.e., $17.5 billion per fab). The initial facilities will come online in 2034, whereas the remaining will start operations by 2042. 

For now, the applications look like a means to secure incentives under the Chapter 313 incentives program that expires this year. Also, this is a good way to demonstrate to various authorities the intentions to invest in the U.S. semiconductor industry. Yet, these applications can hardly be considered even as optioned fabs as semiconductor fabrication facilities will cost significantly more in the looming High-NA EUV era. 

Texas Instruments: $30 Billion for Specialty and Trailing Nodes 

Although Texas Instruments is usually credited for inventing the microprocessor nearly simultaneously with Intel, the company has never become a supplier of general-purpose mass-market CPUs. It even wound down its OMAP mobile SoC business in 2012. But Texas Instruments is the world's largest maker of analog chips. For example, Apple's shiny new MacBook Pro comes with TI's audio amplifiers and USB-C power delivery controllers (these power controllers are used very widely these days). With a portfolio of over 45,000 products, Texas Instruments serves virtually all imaginable applications that need analog chips.

Texas Instruments runs its own fab as well as outsources some of the components it supplies. Like other chipmakers, TI faced unprecedented demand for its devices during the pandemic and is facing strong demand driven by contemporary industry megatrends (5G, AI, HPC, edge computing, autonomous vehicles). To meet the growing demand for its products, Texas Instruments started to build its new massive fab near Sherman, Texas, this May.  

The new chip plant will be built in four phases, with the first fab coming online in 2025. The endeavor will be the largest economic project ever in Texas; it will cost TI about $30 billion and span a decade. Local authorities approved an incentive package that abates 90% of TI's property taxes for the fab's first 30 years to encourage TI to invest in Sherman and Grayson County. 

There were other reasons why TI preferred Texas over other locations, though. The company already has three 300-mm semiconductor production facilities in the state (including DMOS6 in Dallas, RFab Phase 1 in Richardson, and the soon-to-be-completed RFab Phase 2 in Richardson), so it can share engineering talent between the sites. Furthermore, the company's suppliers are located locally too, so it will be easier to get materials and other goods for the new chip plant. 

Summary 

After years of stagnation, the U.S. is finally getting brand-new chip plants. Intel, GlobalFoundries, TSMC, and Samsung Foundry are set to spend well over $70 billion on U.S. fabs by 2025. If Texas Instruments's massive fab project (that comes online in 2025 and spans for several more years as new phases are built) and subsequent TSMC Fab 21 phases are added, we are looking at investments that might hit the $200 billion mark (or even exceed it) over the next decade. 

The next Oliver Anthony

https://twitter.com/TheOnlySamson/status/1703919192787784062?s=20

 

 

8 minutes ago, DiPros said:

Health care still needs work.  Lots of it.  I'm drowning in $3K plus deductibles every year.  The Marketplace/state stuff is an abomination.  My 30 year old is not insured.  I will try again, but I am also looking into other means of insuring him.  Like short term, or a private policy.

 

Edited to also say I don't want to make decisions about my health and testing based on what some insurance company tells me I can or can't have, and of course how much it is costing me.  I very simply could just stop, not incur any of these costs, thus likely leading me to an earlier death.

The reason why I dont work for myself is because benefits are too expensive. It would cost me around 6k a month for decent coverage on the exchange. It was 3k for bare bones coverage. 

1 minute ago, Gannan said:

The reason why I dont work for myself is because benefits are too expensive. It would cost me around 6k a month for decent coverage on the exchange. It was 3k for bare bones coverage. 

It's awful.  My max out of pocket is $6K.  Specialists $100.  The insurer being married to the pharmacy also making me change from the grocery store to CVS. or else jump through all these hoops and pay more.  So I switched to mail order, however one of my meds I have to pick up. I tried to switch from mail order to pick up but that's not allowed either.  They (Aetna) even called my primary to say I cancelled my scripts while I was trying to navigate this task.  The nurse called me.  It's hilarious.

7 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

The next Oliver Anthony

https://twitter.com/TheOnlySamson/status/1703919192787784062?s=20

 

 

 

Went to the lab for my appt today last week.  I can look up my results on line for most everything.  The tech put my CMP and HEME profiles under my oncologist (not due til next year) INSTEAD of looking at the order I handed her.  The other testa are under his name as ordering doc.  So will have to request another order?  Ridiculous

4 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

 

did i miss the verse where he talked about covid under trump or did i just catch the part about how great gas prices were when nobody was going anywhere ?

41 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Can the people of CVON still do it? 

Some of us still ride bikes.

Excuse me is that Johnson's No More Tears you're wearing?

14 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

did i miss the verse where he talked about covid under trump or did i just catch the part about how great gas prices were when nobody was going anywhere ?

I'm just a big fan of when the right tries really hard to be cool.  It's on par with right wing sketch comedy.  It always seems heavily focus tested by a right wing think tank.  Dope track, dad!

"Biden saved us from inflation"

 

45 minutes ago, Kz! said:

"Biden saved us from inflation"

 

 

53 minutes ago, Kz! said:

"Biden saved us from inflation"

 

our deficit is nowhere near $1T / month.

since Oct 2022 (fiscal year started) it totals about $1.5T.

it's still too high, but deficits in fiscal year 2022 tracked closely with the deficits under Trump pre-pandemic.

why do you only care about deficits when Democrats are in office? 

Oh, the humanity

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Well the hearing today was a total embarrassment.