😂😂😂😂MAGA Morons all of the sudden care about the debt.😂😂😂😂 

4 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

😂😂😂😂MAGA Morons all of the sudden care about the debt.😂😂😂😂 

On pace to rise by 1 trillion in one month. I can't imagine how stupid, brainwashed, and physically frail you have to be to just not care lmao. 

10 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

😂😂😂😂MAGA Morons all of the sudden care about the debt.😂😂😂😂 

Exactly. They only care about it when there is a Dem President. When there is a GOP President, they spend like druken sailors out on liberty weekend. Fiscal conservatism doesn't exist under a GOP President. They only bring it out for Dem Presidents. They have zero credibility on the issue.

10 minutes ago, Kz! said:

On pace to rise by 1 trillion in one month. I can't imagine how stupid, brainwashed, and physically frail you have to be to just not care lmao. 

Pointing out the hypocrisy of MAGA morons hardly means I don’t care. I cared enough not to vote for either one of them while you continue to support a man who ran it up on his watch.

1 minute ago, jsdarkstar said:

Exactly. They only care about it when there is a Dem President. When there is a GOP President, they spend like druken sailors out on liberty weekend. Fiscal conservatism doesn't exist under a GOP President. They only bring it out for Dem Presidents. They have zero credibility on the issue.

Difference is, we spent our own money. 

28 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Is this what's meant by bidenomics?

I know what could really put a dent in those numbers...10 centrally planned Communist ghost cities

4 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

Pointing out the hypocrisy of MAGA morons hardly means I don’t care. I cared enough not to vote for either one of them while you continue to support a man who ran it up on his watch.

I've always cared about debt/deficit spending. It's why I absolutely despise every scumbag in DC and am happy to vote for political outsiders whenever possible. You're just an old, mentally and physically feeble dude who can't respond to exploding debt without saying something pointless like "you didn't care about it under Trump." Yeah, I did. I want massive cuts to the federal government. Like a complete gutting of federal spending that would have you literally crying and shaking while you sip your after-dinner ensure at 5:00 in the evening. 

1 minute ago, Kz! said:

I've always cared about debt/deficit spending.

1 minute ago, Kz! said:

It's why I absolutely despise every scumbag in DC and am happy to vote for political outsiders whenever possible.

2 minutes ago, Kz! said:

"you didn't care about it under Trump." Yeah, I did.

2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Haha, I want to massively gut federal spending. Commie soy boys like you and old feeble don't. Simple as. 

Just now, Kz! said:

Haha, I want to massively gut federal spending. Commie soy boys like you and old feeble don't. Simple as. 

Oh, well then I see why  you support the guy who racked up 8T in debt in one term.

4 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Oh, well then I see why  you support the guy who racked up 8T in debt in one term.

Yep, democrats are very open that they want to increase handouts. It's literally the only thing their party consistently stand for (well, that and transgendering kids, importing illegals, and legalizing crime). The only alternative in our two party system is to vote for the side that is at least apologetic about it. 

Trump was so apologetic, he literally demanded the stimulus checks had his name on them  

Just now, Kz! said:

Yep, democrats are very open that they want to increase handouts. It's literally the only thing their party consistently stand for (well, that and transgendering kids, importing illegals, and legalizing crime). The only alternative in our two party system is to vote for the side that is at least apologetic about it. 

  Trump F'ing signed handouts to every American and bragged about it. 

This place can't be free.

Trump adds $8 Trillion to the deficit and republicans believe they have the right to tell dems how to spend money? Zero credibility. 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Trump was so apologetic, he literally demanded the stimulus checks had his name on them  

Beat me to it.   

I'm really hoping he keeps defending Trump's $8T.  We know he's got it in him.

Guys, we don't have to pretend that Republicans aren't elected to rein in federal spending. Yes, they suck at it, but mostly because they get cold feet when the press calls them Hitler if they try to cut any of the dems pet social programs. Dems unapologetically increase spending. It's literally what they run on. It's literally the reason they are elected because it's what their voters want. 

Trump obviously did poorly at reining in federal spending and the pandemic exacerbated that. 

8 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Guys, we don't have to pretend that Republicans aren't elected to rein in federal spending. Yes, they suck at it, but mostly because they get cold feet when the press calls them Hitler if they try to cut any of the dems pet social programs. Dems unapologetically increase spending. It's literally what they run on. It's literally the reason they are elected because it's what their voters want. 

Trump obviously did poorly at reining in federal spending and the pandemic exacerbated that. 

Hey dipsheet!!! It’s 2023 not 1986 anymore… put your newspaper down. What you’re thinking hasn’t been true for a long time.

13 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Guys, we don't have to pretend that Republicans aren't elected to rein in federal spending. Yes, they suck at it, but mostly because they get cold feet when the press calls them Hitler if they try to cut any of the dems pet social programs. Dems unapologetically increase spending. It's literally what they run on. It's literally the reason they are elected because it's what their voters want. 

Trump obviously did poorly at reining in federal spending and the pandemic exacerbated that. 

The media made Trump rack up more debt than any President in a single term in US history.

6 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

Hey dipsheet!!! It’s 2023 not 1986 anymore… put your newspaper down. What you’re thinking hasn’t been true for a long time.

What part about any of that is untrue? Republican voters generally hate the federal government and want to cut spending. Democrats want the federal government to continue to grow and want more handouts. These are basic principles of the two parties. It's what their politicians explicitly campaign on. 

21 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Guys, we don't have to pretend that Republicans aren't elected to rein in federal spending. Yes, they suck at it, but mostly because they get cold feet when the press calls them Hitler if they try to cut any of the dems pet social programs. Dems unapologetically increase spending. It's literally what they run on. It's literally the reason they are elected because it's what their voters want. 

Trump obviously did poorly at reining in federal spending and the pandemic exacerbated that. 

I don’t disagree with this but the only difference between the two parties is what they want to spend the money on. They both only care about it when the other party is in the WH. 

Most of the spending is on already passed programs like Medicare and SS. 

Like it or not, boomers aren't going to let you "gut" those programs. Not now especially. 

The proper thing to do would be to create a long term plan that reduces the government's role in these programs. 

But if you're serious about reducing the debt, you're also going to have to raise taxes in the near term. Any solution that narrows the deficit in a meaningful way has to include raising taxes to pay for programs that are already baked in.

Republicans instead have set us on a course where we not only have INCREASED government spending around these programs, but also reduced revenue with tax cuts. All under the simplistic but stupid motto of "the government has a spending problem, not a revenue problem".

While it may be true that the government has a spending problem, you're not going to fix it by cutting revenue if you don't make deeper cuts in these expensive programs.

Go ahead and list out the episodes where Republicans made serious attempts to reduce Medicare, Medicaid, and/or social security. The closest in my memory is when Dubya pitched SS privatization, and his party throttled him for touching the 3rd rail. 

If the American people are not going to let go of these social programs, then it's incumbent on Washington to tell the American people they have to pay more in taxes to have them.

It's one or the other - deep cuts in spending or increases in taxes - but we're reaching a painful place where it's more likely to be both. Republicans have thrown a tantrum every time Democrats have tried to improve revenue collection; they won't even let the IRS staff up to necessary levels, instead claiming they're trying to create some tax collection special force that will kick in your door and hold a gun to your head to .. pay taxes you're responsible for. 

There's no adult in the room in Washington because idiots like Kz are children who only want what they want and will throw a tantrum if they don't.

2 minutes ago, Kz! said:

What part about any of that is untrue? Republican voters generally hate the federal government and want to cut spending. Democrats want the federal government to continue to grow and want more handouts. These are basic principles of the two parties. It's what their politicians explicitly campaign on. 

Who cares what Republican voters "generally hate"?  Republican voters are completely full of sheet.  

They love Trump, who's in no way a conservative and who spent more than any President in a single term in history.  He doesn't believe in any of the principals you're talking about.  And he's the unquestioned head of the party who's literally squeezed every ounce of conservatism out of Republicans. 

Like MidMo said, you're arguing ancient talking points.

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

On pace to rise by 1 trillion in one month. I can't imagine how stupid, brainwashed, and physically frail you have to be to just not care lmao. 

You tell us. 

12 minutes ago, Kz! said:

What part about any of that is untrue? Republican voters generally hate the federal government and want to cut spending. Democrats want the federal government to continue to grow and want more handouts. These are basic principles of the two parties. It's what their politicians explicitly campaign on. 

Do you always buy things based on the sales pitch instead of the actual product?

3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Most of the spending is on already passed programs like Medicare and SS. 

Like it or not, boomers aren't going to let you "gut" those programs. Not now especially. 

The proper thing to do would be to create a long term plan that reduces the government's role in these programs. 

But if you're serious about reducing the debt, you're also going to have to raise taxes in the near term. Any solution that narrows the deficit in a meaningful way has to include raising taxes to pay for programs that are already baked in.

Republicans instead have set us on a course where we not only have INCREASED government spending around these programs, but also reduced revenue with tax cuts. All under the simplistic but stupid motto of "the government has a spending problem, not a revenue problem".

While it may be true that the government has a spending problem, you're not going to fix it by cutting revenue if you don't make deeper cuts in these expensive programs.

Go ahead and list out the episodes where Republicans made serious attempts to reduce Medicare, Medicaid, and/or social security. The closest in my memory is when Dubya pitched SS privatization, and his party throttled him for touching the 3rd rail. 

If the American people are not going to let go of these social programs, then it's incumbent on Washington to tell the American people they have to pay more in taxes to have them.

It's one or the other - deep cuts in spending or increases in taxes - but we're reaching a painful place where it's more likely to be both. Republicans have thrown a tantrum every time Democrats have tried to improve revenue collection; they won't even let the IRS staff up to necessary levels, instead claiming they're trying to create some tax collection special force that will kick in your door and hold a gun to your head to .. pay taxes you're responsible for. 

There's no adult in the room in Washington because idiots like Kz are children who only want what they want and will throw a tantrum if they don't.

Right, this is a great example. Riot Kitchen here is arguing for the federal government to raise taxes. He wants higher taxes. Yes, he's that stupid folks. He wants a larger, more robust federal government. That's fine if that's your thing, and honestly, it's refreshing to see a liberal admit it.