July 12, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Dr Philly said the same. But apparently there’s a bunch of people out there who are gonna switch to Trump No, there's a bunch of potential voters who will just not vote for president if these are the options. This is about turnout. And Biden in his present state is depressing turnout. Give a viable option who can string sentences together and you get better turnout. It's that simple.
July 12, 20241 yr Only the oblivious diehards like jsdarkstar and EaglesRocker have any shred of motivation left to go out and vote for Biden. He has humiliated himself and embarrassed all of his voters. It's totally irrational to say you're saving democracy by voting for a vegetable. The person you're voting to represent you literally doesn't have the ability to represent you.
July 12, 20241 yr Just now, JohnSnowsHair said: No, there's a bunch of potential voters who will just not vote for president if these are the options. This is about turnout. And Biden in his present state is depressing turnout. Give a viable option who can string sentences together and you get better turnout. It's that simple. Yes this is correct
July 12, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Paul852 said: I'm going to hold out hope that it is. You will be disappointed.
July 12, 20241 yr 47 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Biden v2024 is not Biden v2020. I'd vote for his dead husk over Trump, but there's a lot of people who won't vote for Biden v2024. And given his performance that's not that unreasonable. He needs to step aside and endorse Kamala. He's much more valuable to the cause of defeating Trump in that role. There are still a ton of casually engaged voters that aren't following this as closely as we are. Then there are those that will simply refuse to vote for Harris. There are no easy answers, it's the ultimate catch-22.
July 12, 20241 yr Just now, JohnSnowsHair said: You will be disappointed. Yeah, I was told the same thing in 2022.
July 12, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Only the oblivious diehards like jsdarkstar and EaglesRocker have any shred of motivation left to go out and vote for Biden. I like the spiking of the football this early.
July 12, 20241 yr 29 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said: what was priceless? I just watched this clip 8 times. what reaction? Yeah that's as subdued as you can get. I was expecting a Birx or Fauci face palm level of reaction when Trump was talking about injecting disinfectants to cure covid.
July 12, 20241 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: Trump was talking about injecting disinfectants to cure covid. I mean he clearly has to step aside after that gaffe, right?
July 12, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Yeah, holding ourselves to a higher standard is exhausting, huh? It honestly gets to a point where I almost stop caring. Like I said in another post, I'll be fine either way, but when Trump starts making cuts to veterans health care, disparages minorities, and enables and encourages every down ballot Republican to challenge the result of an election they lose then I'll just shrug my shoulders. We get the leaders we deserve and anyone that stays home because of a lack of enthusiasm whole heatedly deserves everything that comes with a second Trump term.
July 12, 20241 yr 11 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: No, there's a bunch of potential voters who will just not vote for president if these are the options. This is about turnout. And Biden in his present state is depressing turnout. Give a viable option who can string sentences together and you get better turnout. It's that simple. I think you're overestimating the enthusiasm for Harris. But if Biden does step aside, I truly hope you're right.
July 12, 20241 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: Bro, you're on here whining about Biden all the time. Have some self-awareness.
July 12, 20241 yr 40 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said: seriously that clip might as well have been a still frame - one guy touched his chin some people are really dumb
July 12, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, Paul852 said: You're arguing and yet you've already said you'd still vote for him. Votes aren't changing in a majority of cases. It's getting to the point that it is what it is and Biden stepping down will make very little difference. Embrace the madness, cast you vote, and sit back and watch. 3 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Dr Philly said the same. But apparently there’s a bunch of people out there who are gonna switch to Trump 3 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I'm not the voter Biden needs to actually win. I'm voting against Trump. And plenty of us will do that. But that's not enough to win. A competent democratic candidate would be crushing Trump. Biden is losing it. 3 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: No, there's a bunch of potential voters who will just not vote for president if these are the options. This is about turnout. And Biden in his present state is depressing turnout. Give a viable option who can string sentences together and you get better turnout. It's that simple. 100% agree with JohnSnow. It is about turnout. The smart Repubs now want Biden to stay in the race. Obviously it is a long shot for Harris or some other Dem but Biden isn't winning. There are almost four months left and plenty of times where Biden will continue to F up like he did last night. In all honesty, it was over after the debate but the Dems just do their Dems thing and thus the cluster F of a few weeks. Last week I suggested we would know by Wed/Thur and that he would be gone by the weekend. That prediction looks pretty good right now.
July 12, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, DrPhilly said: 100% agree with JohnSnow. It is about turnout. The smart Repubs now want Biden to stay in the race. Obviously it is a long shot for Harris or some other Dem but Biden isn't winning. There are almost four months left and plenty of times where Biden will continue to F up like he did last night. In all honesty, it was over after the debate but the Dems just do their Dems thing and thus the cluster F of a few weeks. Last week I suggested we would know by Wed/Thur and that he would be gone by the weekend. That prediction looks pretty good right now. I think the Dems are prevaricating because as I understand the rules and have seen them described, they can't just anoint Harris with Biden's primary delegates (such as the primaries were), he can only endorse, the delegates are freed from any obligation (in truth the delegates are never strictly obligated and that fact is the Nuclear option if Biden decides to hang on till the convention). It's an open floor at the Convention for anyone to throw their hat in for a run off vote to decide the new nominee. My guess is that the party grandees are frantically going round warning people they think may be tempted to challenge Harris that they will be absolutely destroyed if they f*** this up by creating a spectacle at Convention.
July 12, 20241 yr 43 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: I think the Dems are prevaricating because as I understand the rules and have seen them described, they can't just anoint Harris with Biden's primary delegates (such as the primaries were), he can only endorse, the delegates are freed from any obligation (in truth the delegates are never strictly obligated and that fact is the Nuclear option if Biden decides to hang on till the convention). It's an open floor at the Convention for anyone to throw their hat in for a run off vote to decide the new nominee. My guess is that the party grandees are frantically going round warning people they think may be tempted to challenge Harris that they will be absolutely destroyed if they f*** this up by creating a spectacle at Convention. Add in the fact that they have made this election about "saving democracy" and any perceived anti-democratic action at the convention will play right into the Republicans' hands.
July 12, 20241 yr 34 minutes ago, BBE said: Add in the fact that they have made this election about "saving democracy" and any perceived anti-democratic action at the convention will play right into the Republicans' hands. Right. Back room deals are the reason they created the 17th Amendment.
July 12, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, DrPhilly said: 100% agree with JohnSnow. It is about turnout. The smart Repubs now want Biden to stay in the race. Obviously it is a long shot for Harris or some other Dem but Biden isn't winning. There are almost four months left and plenty of times where Biden will continue to F up like he did last night. In all honesty, it was over after the debate but the Dems just do their Dems thing and thus the cluster F of a few weeks. Last week I suggested we would know by Wed/Thur and that he would be gone by the weekend. That prediction looks pretty good right now. He said he’s not dropping out. What part of "no” don’t you understand?
July 12, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: He said he’s not dropping out. What part of "no” don’t you understand? The same part as Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, and the others
July 12, 20241 yr 10 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: I think you're overestimating the enthusiasm for Harris. But if Biden does step aside, I truly hope you're right. it's not about enthusiasm for Harris. it's about a good chunk of people who won't vote for Trump, but also can't vote for someone who appears as incompetent as Biden. they're literally looking just for some competent adult under 65 years old.
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