1 hour ago, Tnt4philly said:

That’s what the cops tell people when they lawyer up. 

Yea, retaining an attorney when you are accused of a crime is exactly the same as a blanket, preemptive presidential pardon.  

Say what you want about Biden, but he DID put his hand on the bible when taking the oath of office. 

Just now, The Norseman said:

Yea, retaining an attorney when you are accused of a crime is exactly the same as a blanket, preemptive presidential pardon.  

There are definitely differences, but they are both statements used by over zealous police and prosecutors. 

13 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Say what you want about Biden, but he DID put his hand on the bible when taking the oath of office. 

I couldn’t care less if he puts his hand on the Bible or not, but he just needs to come out and admit he is a godless heathen and stop faking it. 

1 hour ago, Tnt4philly said:

Not saying these two should have been given clemency, but they were not convicted for murder, they were serving a life sentence for drug charges. 

Really? They weren't tried for murder? Murder has no statue of limitation. Could they be re-arrested and tried for murder?

1 minute ago, eglz1 said:

Really? They weren't tried for murder? Murder has no statue of limitation. Could they be re-arrested and tried for murder?

They were acquitted by a federal jury for gun and murder charges due to a lack of evidence, but were given life sentences on related drug charges. 

people are up in arm about Biden's pardons when Trump just pardoned hundreds of terrorists?

2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

people are up in arm about Biden's pardons when Trump just pardoned hundreds of terrorists?

Yeah, neither "side” has a leg to stand on when it comes to the amount of questionable pardons their POTUS has awarded.

15 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

I couldn’t care less if he puts his hand on the Bible or not, but he just needs to come out and admit he is a godless heathen and stop faking it. 

Isn't that true of most politicians on both sides of the aisle? Whether those who we rely on for unbiased facts choose to report on the fact that a candidate is a scumball is another matter. The bias and untrustworthiness of the media was brought home to me one day while sitting in the Martha's Vineyard airport. I picked up a local paper that was lying there and paged through it. One of the articles was by or about Pierre Salinger. Shortly before he died he disclosed that the news people knew the JFK was a libertine at best and  rapist at worst. They also knew that if this became known JFK would lose to Richard Nixon. They made an agreement among themselves that what they knew about JFK would never become public knowledge while it still mattered. They were successful and JFK won the election by a slim margin. If this knowledge had become public - and remember this was 1960 - do you think he (JFK) would have won? And if Nixon had won in 1960, would Watergate ever have become a thing? That would have been a tragedy wouldn't it?

31 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

There are definitely differences, but they are both statements used by over zealous police and prosecutors. 

So, how does that make the Biden family crime syndicate innocent again?

15 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

Isn't that true of most politicians on both sides of the aisle? Whether those who we rely on for unbiased facts choose to report on the fact that a candidate is a scumball is another matter. The bias and untrustworthiness of the media was brought home to me one day while sitting in the Martha's Vineyard airport. I picked up a local paper that was lying there and paged through it. One of the articles was by or about Pierre Salinger. Shortly before he died he disclosed that the news people knew the JFK was a libertine at best and  rapist at worst. They also knew that if this became known JFK would lose to Richard Nixon. They made an agreement among themselves that what they knew about JFK would never become public knowledge while it still mattered. They were successful and JFK won the election by a slim margin. If this knowledge had become public - and remember this was 1960 - do you think he (JFK) would have won? And if Nixon had won in 1960, would Watergate ever have become a thing? That would have been a tragedy wouldn't it?

You lost me at "Isn’t that true about…..”

This is about pretending to be religious when you clearly are not, not sure what that rant was all about. 

For the Record

"The White House has been hinting for weeks that some last minute pardons were happening, but the decision to wait until the inauguration was underway to announce this is impossible to explain apart from an obvious desire to hide this until Biden was off the public stage.” —John Sexton

"Biden pardoning his entire family in the last possible minute is one of the biggest abuses of power we’ve ever seen in this country’s history.” —Caleb Hull

"Trump was impeached for bringing up Biden family criminal corruption. Today, Biden pardoned his family for criminal corruption. One side was right on this, the other was wrong. Now a matter of public record.” —Buck Sexton

"So many of Donald Trump’s reported executive orders are just an undoing of Joe Biden’s madness and a return to sanity. The border should be closed?! No way! Men and women aren’t interchangeable?! What?! Criminals should be punished?! Gasp!” —Ian Haworth

1 hour ago, The Norseman said:

So, how does that make the Biden family crime syndicate innocent again?

If tax fraud and lying about substance abuse qualifies as a family crime syndicate the country is full of Genovese’s,  Bonanno‘s, Lucchese’s, Gambino’s and Colombo’s

1 hour ago, It Hurts said:

 

"Trump was impeached for bringing up Biden family criminal corruption.

cheeto is a convicted felon...34 counts...convicted in a court of law. 

the jan 6 rioters were convicted in the courts. 

the "biden crime family" is maga fanfiction. 

 

 

Remember when the gop won control of the house. And they spent over a year investigating Biden and his family so they could impeach him.... then the found absolutely nothing and didn't impeach him? 

7 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

cheeto is a convicted felon...34 counts...convicted in a court of law. 

the jan 6 rioters were convicted in the courts. 

the "biden crime family" is maga fanfiction. concept

 

 

fyp-only a matter of days before he starts spewing more accusations WITHOUT evidence.  Since he POTUS now I guess he will try do what he wants, it just won't involve the Biden family, or a decorated retired General.

1 hour ago, MidMoFo said:

If tax fraud and lying about substance abuse qualifies as a family crime syndicate the country is full of Genovese’s,  Bonanno‘s, Lucchese’s, Gambino’s and Colombo’s

How many Gambino's or Colombo's were the Vice President and allowed their idiot son to sit on the board of of a Ukrainian company being investigated for corruption while receiving kick backs to the tune of millions of dollars?  

I'm guessing none. 

3 hours ago, Tnt4philly said:

You lost me at "Isn’t that true about…..”

This is about pretending to be religious when you clearly are not, not sure what that rant was all about. 

It's mostly about the Media has been untrustworthy since at least 1960 and probably before that. But who could ever question Walter Cronkite, Huntley/Brinkley et. al.

13 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

It's mostly about the Media has been untrustworthy since at least 1960 and probably before that. But who could ever question Walter Cronkite, Huntley/Brinkley et. al.

No, it’s all about Trump and his fake BS. 

 

 

Wikipedia has a good write up on the Burkick v. U.S. case regarding presidential pardons.  They must be introduced into court proceedings to be effective, even in a capital punishment case.  So consider the situation where you have somebody on death row who committed his capital crime for political purposes, and is willing to be executed to make a political statement.  Even if that defendant is pardoned, unless and until he raises that pardon as a defense in the legal proceeding, the pardon is considered a private matter and the execution can proceed.  Otherwise, if a defendant wishes to clear his name in a court of law, the pardon can be ignored or rejected, and the case can move forward.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burdick_v._United_States

On 1/20/2025 at 1:51 PM, Procus said:

Hmmm.  Did it ever occur to you that there's just a tad of a possibility that those who were pardoned actually committed crimes?

Did it ever occur to you that there's more than a reasonable possibility that Trump committed dozens of felonies?

Of course not. Because you're a self-deceiving duplicitous moron.

7 hours ago, The Norseman said:

If they didn't do anything wrong they wouldn't need pardons.  Keep buying the party line though...that's worked out really well over the last 4 years. 

Trump has made it clear he will go after anyone who was party to exposing his criminal behavior. 

This is all at his feet. 

Politics was always dirty business. Trump made it 10x worse.

5 hours ago, eglz1 said:

Isn't that true of most politicians on both sides of the aisle? Whether those who we rely on for unbiased facts choose to report on the fact that a candidate is a scumball is another matter. The bias and untrustworthiness of the media was brought home to me one day while sitting in the Martha's Vineyard airport. I picked up a local paper that was lying there and paged through it. One of the articles was by or about Pierre Salinger. Shortly before he died he disclosed that the news people knew the JFK was a libertine at best and  rapist at worst. They also knew that if this became known JFK would lose to Richard Nixon. They made an agreement among themselves that what they knew about JFK would never become public knowledge while it still mattered. They were successful and JFK won the election by a slim margin. If this knowledge had become public - and remember this was 1960 - do you think he (JFK) would have won? And if Nixon had won in 1960, would Watergate ever have become a thing? That would have been a tragedy wouldn't it?

Don't blow a hammy with those mental gymnastics.