19 hours ago, highboy said:

I don't know how any objective person could watch that game last night and not conclude that as of right now the biggest problem with his team is the head coach and it's not even close. I cannot and will not defend Hurts' abysmal performance, but the warning signal is not just the fact that he had one of the worst games I've ever seen, but literally everyone not named Javon Hargrave literally just turned in one of the worst performances in pro football. Many people have rightly pointed out already that we just had a full professional football game in the year 2021 and there was not a single offensive play that ran any sort of motion whatsoever. It is also proving to be one of the most undisciplined teams I've ever seen and considering this is the Philadelphia eagles that says something. Benching Hurts does nothing for us. Even if their odds are against him there is a far better chance that he is a much better quarterback by the end of the year then there is Minshew helping us win anything at all. And if you've already been off the Hurts train, here's more bad news: there might not be a single franchise signal collar worth looking at in the first two rounds next year. And unless the Eagles or 1000% sold that there is "that guy" in the draft than reaching for one with any of our first round picks would be a mistake. You might have to deal with Jaylin not just for the remainder of this year but maybe even next, and it might be the better move. This team needs lots of blue chip talent, and for once they will have the draft capital to get it. The biggest worry though is that at least through three weeks, Sirriani appears to be the one that is lost. 

Good post.

From my perspective Sirianni is a bigger problem than Hurts but not by much, Hurts has got to hit open receivers......in stride!!

The reason I think Sirianni is a bigger problem is because if you can't scheme worth a damn, I don't care how talented your QB is he's gonna look bad, you've got to know how to attack your opponent's weaknesses, Sirianni doesn't seem to have a clue. 

As far as available QBs, Ol Miss - Matt Corral is gonna be a good one. 

21 hours ago, highboy said:

I don't know how any objective person could watch that game last night and not conclude that as of right now the biggest problem with his team is the head coach and it's not even close. I cannot and will not defend Hurts' abysmal performance, but the warning signal is not just the fact that he had one of the worst games I've ever seen, but literally everyone not named Javon Hargrave literally just turned in one of the worst performances in pro football. Many people have rightly pointed out already that we just had a full professional football game in the year 2021 and there was not a single offensive play that ran any sort of motion whatsoever. It is also proving to be one of the most undisciplined teams I've ever seen and considering this is the Philadelphia eagles that says something. Benching Hurts does nothing for us. Even if their odds are against him there is a far better chance that he is a much better quarterback by the end of the year then there is Minshew helping us win anything at all. And if you've already been off the Hurts train, here's more bad news: there might not be a single franchise signal collar worth looking at in the first two rounds next year. And unless the Eagles or 1000% sold that there is "that guy" in the draft than reaching for one with any of our first round picks would be a mistake. You might have to deal with Jaylin not just for the remainder of this year but maybe even next, and it might be the better move. This team needs lots of blue chip talent, and for once they will have the draft capital to get it. The biggest worry though is that at least through three weeks, Sirriani appears to be the one that is lost. 

Inside the birds podcast explained on the show today how the All 22 showed it was on hurts. Showed that he took off way too early, that he felt the pressure before it was actually there and would abandon the play after the first 1-1.5 reads. Furthermore they also explained that there were actually a lot of open receivers that Hurts either didn’t see or ran out too quickly before the route opened them up. 
 

This is a major issue. We can point to the low run ratio all we want, but Dallas was loading the box almost every play and daring hurts to beat them with his arm and he failed miserably. Until he gets poised enough to sit there and make reads, defenses are going to continue to do that. 

On 9/28/2021 at 5:10 PM, downundermike said:

Didn’t matter.  Hurts telegraphed it so bad Diggs was going to the house regardless.

I just couldn't tell from the replay if he slipped or was interfered with.

14 hours ago, EagleVA said:

I said I didn't think is arm strength was a problem because I don't know what it is, do you know how long he can heave the ball, I sure as hell don't.

The last thing we need is for him to hear that his arm strength is being questioned and he begins playing macho man showing his arm strength and overthrowing everyone. 

That's the issue, he has the arm strength but judgment is off. That comes with experience and reputation. Eagles need to dump the rpo's and run an offense, it's only hindering him. Obviously only gonna get hurts this year to prove himself, so let him sink or swim. I'm more worried with the coaches play calling. The team has good talent. would hate to waste franchise time with talent. Just because of bad coach only for player to move on and do good on another team. 3 running plays is unacceptable, I've never seen such stupidity  

2 hours ago, XoqTionR said:

The team has good talent

Does it? Like who? I mean yes they have some good players but this team is far far from a contender and we all knew that. 

On 9/27/2021 at 12:39 PM, EazyEaglez said:

So a question to the protect a Wentz  fan club. If Hurts plays poorly due to poor line play tonight does he get a pass or does that BS excuse only work for Wentz?

No he doesn’t get a pass, and it wasn’t poor line play.  Jalen Hurts flat out sucked on Monday night.

12 hours ago, wtfcares said:

Inside the birds podcast explained on the show today how the All 22 showed it was on hurts. Showed that he took off way too early, that he felt the pressure before it was actually there and would abandon the play after the first 1-1.5 reads. Furthermore they also explained that there were actually a lot of open receivers that Hurts either didn’t see or ran out too quickly before the route opened them up. 

This is a major issue. We can point to the low run ratio all we want, but Dallas was loading the box almost every play and daring hurts to beat them with his arm and he failed miserably. Until he gets poised enough to sit there and make reads, defenses are going to continue to do that. 

That's Hurts in a nutshell and always has been. He can't stand in the pocket, read the defense, and go through his progressions.  In an instant, he reverts back to College Hurts and runs around hoping for a broken play.  That won't work consistently in the NFL, no matter who the coach is. 

7 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

That's Hurts in a nutshell and always has been. He can't stand in the pocket, read the defense, and go through his progressions.  In an instant, he reverts back to College Hurts and runs around hoping for a broken play.  That won't work consistently in the NFL, no matter who the coach is. 

I have been beating this horse forever now. Got ridiculed because I said I watched a ton of him in college.

He stinks. 

17 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

[“I didn’t do a good enough job of leading. I didn’t do a good enough job of running our offense, of doing the things that I need to do. So it’s on me. This one’s on me,” Hurts told reporters after the game.]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/jalen-hurts-issue-game-054420732.html
 

Hmm no "We have to look at the tape…” or "Everyone needs to step up….” type of comment we used to get from the former guy? He isn’t the best of talents right now, but he at least owns it when he screws up.  

Who Fing cares? Pay me to suck at quarterback I'll take all the blame you want to throw at me. Also fyi Hurts is the quarterback now so who cares what the "former guy" did? 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

No he doesn’t get a pass, and it wasn’t poor line play.  Jalen Hurts flat out sucked on Monday night.

Agreed. They had some penalties, but I thought they did a decent job in pass protection. The problems arise when Hurts immediately scrambles out of the pocket when his first read is covered. That causes the protection to breakdown and it was a recurring theme. He needs to be more patient.

The play where he connected with Quez down the middle was beautiful. He stayed in the pocket and threw a good pass.

52 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I have been beating this horse forever now. Got ridiculed because I said I watched a ton of him in college.

He stinks. 

Me, too.  I watched him a bunch of times in college.  Everyone kept telling me "just wait until he gets an offseason of NFL coaching", like none of his college coaches tried to break him of the bad habits.  Hell, it got him benched at Alabama and led to his transfer.  I never understood the blind faith in him, except that he wasn't Carson Wentz.

14 hours ago, wtfcares said:

Inside the birds podcast explained on the show today how the All 22 showed it was on hurts. Showed that he took off way too early, that he felt the pressure before it was actually there and would abandon the play after the first 1-1.5 reads. Furthermore they also explained that there were actually a lot of open receivers that Hurts either didn’t see or ran out too quickly before the route opened them up. 
 

This is a major issue. We can point to the low run ratio all we want, but Dallas was loading the box almost every play and daring hurts to beat them with his arm and he failed miserably. Until he gets poised enough to sit there and make reads, defenses are going to continue to do that. 

Inside The Birds aren't experts on the Eagles gameplan or coaching. No one is saying Hurts wasn't bad. But his isdues are directly related to coaching. The playcalling was atrocious, and both sides of the ball are completely undisciplined. Unlike most, I didn't make up my mind about Hurts before the season began. I'm not married to the idea that he is or isn't the QB of the future. What I do know, is that competent coaching is required. Stats aside, even with the dumpster fire this team was last season, Hurts was way more in control and didn't appear as lost as he does now. 

9 hours ago, XoqTionR said:

That's the issue, he has the arm strength but judgment is off. That comes with experience and reputation. Eagles need to dump the rpo's and run an offense, it's only hindering him. Obviously only gonna get hurts this year to prove himself, so let him sink or swim. I'm more worried with the coaches play calling. The team has good talent. would hate to waste franchise time with talent. Just because of bad coach only for player to move on and do good on another team. 3 running plays is unacceptable, I've never seen such stupidity  

This. Hurts was awful and he has real issues. But his issues are coachable. Doesn't mean he's pan out either way. No one knows, no matter how they pretend. But the HC through 3 games is proving to be the biggest issue. Hurts isn't the only player looking like hot garbage. That's not a coincidence.

41 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Me, too.  I watched him a bunch of times in college.  Everyone kept telling me "just wait until he gets an offseason of NFL coaching", like none of his college coaches tried to break him of the bad habits.  Hell, it got him benched at Alabama and led to his transfer.  I never understood the blind faith in him, except that he wasn't Carson Wentz.

No. They didn't try to break him of his bad habits. It's college. Lincoln Riley certainly had zero issues. That doesn't mean the bad habits aren't there. Just saying in college those bad habits are mostly irrelevant. They don't develop QBs. That's Sirriani's job. 

43 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Me, too.  I watched him a bunch of times in college.  Everyone kept telling me "just wait until he gets an offseason of NFL coaching", like none of his college coaches tried to break him of the bad habits.  Hell, it got him benched at Alabama and led to his transfer.  I never understood the blind faith in him, except that he wasn't Carson Wentz.

Agreed. 

And his arm strength is not good enough. I don't care what anyone says. Arm strength is not simply how far a person can throw a football.

As I told Manu, I could throw it 45 yards in the air. I'm sure a lot of people can. Its irrelevant.

Having said that, his arm is "good enough" to win if every other aspect of his game was good. Unfortunately, little of it is.

3 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Agreed. 

And his arm strength is not good enough. I don't care what anyone says. Arm strength is not simply how far a person can throw a football.

As I told Manu, I could throw it 45 yards in the air. I'm sure a lot of people can. Its irrelevant.

Having said that, his arm is "good enough" to win if every other aspect of his game was good. Unfortunately, little of it is.

That last statement is what I was trying to say. And his arm won't get stronger. Coaches need to train him to get faster with reads, progression, and timing. And if they can't, find another QB. My point is I don't think we have that coach, regardless if the QB is Hurts or someone else.

31 minutes ago, highboy said:

No. They didn't try to break him of his bad habits. It's college. Lincoln Riley certainly had zero issues. That doesn't mean the bad habits aren't there. Just saying in college those bad habits are mostly irrelevant. They don't develop QBs. That's Sirriani's job. 

Meh.  Do you really believe that they didn't try to coach him to be a better QB?  That statement just sounds stupid.

 

29 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Agreed. 

And his arm strength is not good enough. I don't care what anyone says. Arm strength is not simply how far a person can throw a football.

As I told Manu, I could throw it 45 yards in the air. I'm sure a lot of people can. Its irrelevant.

Having said that, his arm is "good enough" to win if every other aspect of his game was good. Unfortunately, little of it is.

I was going to say the issues he has are in many areas.  He has acceptable arm strength, but he lacks arm talent.  The connection between what his eyes and brain see and his arm and making it do the right things is not very developed.   Some of that is able to be fixed, but the whole mass of issues?  I think not.

40 minutes ago, highboy said:

Inside The Birds aren't experts on the Eagles gameplan or coaching. No one is saying Hurts wasn't bad. But his isdues are directly related to coaching.

No, they are directly related to him being 1 read and run.

19 minutes ago, downundermike said:

No, they are directly related to him being 1 read and run.

Both of which are related to coaching. 

22 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Meh.  Do you really believe that they didn't try to coach him to be a better QB?  That statement just sounds stupid.

 

I was going to say the issues he has are in many areas.  He has acceptable arm strength, but he lacks arm talent.  The connection between what his eyes and brain see and his arm and making it do the right things is not very developed.   Some of that is able to be fixed, but the whole mass of issues?  I think not.

It's not stupid at all. Why would Lincoln Riley, who runs a vanilla college offense predicated on QB athleticism and involves almost no reads, bother to develop quarterbacks to read pro defenses? No, college coaches are not trying to develop players. They get them for an average of 2 years, 3 at the most. 
 

I agree with all of that in the second paragraph. I think people are misunderstanding me. The issues with Hurts are undeniable. My point though is that they are mostly coachable, and as of now it doesn't look like we have that coach. I acknowledge that it's very possible that Hurts would still be the mess we see before us even if we had that coach. My biggest concern though, given that Hurts is not the only mess on this team, that changing the QB won't matter. 

2 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

That's Hurts in a nutshell and always has been. He can't stand in the pocket, read the defense, and go through his progressions.  In an instant, he reverts back to College Hurts and runs around hoping for a broken play.  That won't work consistently in the NFL, no matter who the coach is. 

The only things that are coachable or takes  experience and tons of practice is reading defenses, accuracy ( to a certain extent) and footwork.

What isn't coachable or no amount of practice will solve is processing what you are seeing on the field faster, instincts in the pocket and arm strength... All that combined with the stuff he would need a ton of practice and experience in and yeah I don't think he is gonna last that long to get that all fixed 

Genuinely we might as well fold the franchise if we're giving up on QB's as unfixable after 7 starts, because I absolutely guarantee there isn't a day 1 consistent Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers or even Josh Allen level QB in next years draft and if there was Howie wouldn't pick them, in fact scratch Josh Allen, after the first year he had we'd have Josh Rosen'd him.

Just admit no QB is good enough for this boards experts and call it quits, move the team to Columbus, I'm tired of this nonsense starting up the instant a QB we didn't draft top ten has a couple of bad games, literally every time since McNabb was traded.

58 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Genuinely we might as well fold the franchise if we're giving up on QB's as unfixable after 7 starts, because I absolutely guarantee there isn't a day 1 consistent Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers or even Josh Allen level QB in next years draft and if there was Howie wouldn't pick them, in fact scratch Josh Allen, after the first year he had we'd have Josh Rosen'd him.

Just admit no QB is good enough for this boards experts and call it quits, move the team to Columbus, I'm tired of this nonsense starting up the instant a QB we didn't draft top ten has a couple of bad games, literally every time since McNabb was traded.

Mcnabb was also a one read and run QB. Way more of an unpolished QB who struggled to process, read, and had major accuracy issues. But he was drafted by a head coach that new how to develop quarterbacks. 

3 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Me, too.  I watched him a bunch of times in college.  Everyone kept telling me "just wait until he gets an offseason of NFL coaching", like none of his college coaches tried to break him of the bad habits.  Hell, it got him benched at Alabama and led to his transfer.  I never understood the blind faith in him, except that he wasn't Carson Wentz.

Exactly this.

I watched a lot of him at Bama and see the same issues five years later. People think that NFL coaching can magically fix the way he sees the game, but it is not like he wasn't getting high quality coaching in college. I do a lot of brain research for a living so I understand how difficult it can be for someone to change their behaviors. For him, it would take years of constant mental and physical repetition to change his neuron patterns and myelin sheath density. It is not impossible, but it would be extremely difficult and unlikely unless something major happened.

4 minutes ago, kentwo said:

Exactly this.

I watched a lot of him at Bama and see the same issues five years later. People think that NFL coaching can magically fix the way he sees the game, but it is not like he wasn't getting high quality coaching in college. I do a lot of brain research for a living so I understand how difficult it can be for someone to change their behaviors. For him, it would take years of constant mental and physical repetition to change his neuron patterns and myelin sheath density. It is not impossible, but it would be extremely difficult and unlikely unless something major happened.

It's not magic. It's literally how coaching works. In 3 months time a decent muay thai or boxing coach will literally alter almost every defensive instinct you have.