1 minute ago, MF POON said:

In 2019 Brady threw for 60%, in 2001 he threw for 63.9%. Guys like Aaron Rodgers was throwing for 71% back in 2007, but only managed 62% in 2018 and 2019. I'm asking you for the last time, why does Hurts need to sit at 65% in order to be deemed worthy?

If he can get these numbers at 61%, then nobody will give deuce. Problem is....he threw for 16 TDS and less than 3200 yards at 61%. 65% would increase his numbers tremendously because he doesn't have the same traits to get it there at 61%

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Oh, now you have an issue with completion percentage after I absolutely wrecked you.

How about these Josh Allen stats, 4544 and 4407 passing yards the last two years.  37 and 36 passing TD's the last two years.  How about 69.2 completion percentage in year 3, Jalen Hurts is entering year 3.

 

1 minute ago, MF POON said:

You didn't wreck anything, in fact you're making my point. Hurts' completion % "needing" to meet a certain avg in order to be a franchise QB is just nonsense.  You pointing out what Allen did his last 2 seasons is exactly why you let a QB develop, and don't can him after 1 season. If the Bills had dumped Allen after his 2019 season, he wouldn't have had the opportunity to prove he can be elite.

And Hurts needs to step up to that level.  Jalen Hurts 28th in completion percentage last year is not good enough, especially when he was also 21st in pass attempts.

2 minutes ago, MF POON said:

You didn't wreck anything, in fact you're making my point. Hurts' completion % "needing" to meet a certain avg in order to be a franchise QB is just nonsense.  You pointing out what Allen did his last 2 seasons is exactly why you let a QB develop, and don't can him after 1 season (Allen technically had 2 whole seasons to prove he could be a starter in 2018/2019). If the Bills had dumped Allen after his 2019 season, he wouldn't have had the opportunity to prove he can be elite.

He get 35-36 TDS in the air, he can throw his 52% again 

Just now, Shalodeep said:

If he can get these numbers at 61%, then nobody will give deuce. Problem is....he threw for 16 TDS and less than 3200 yards at 61%. 65% would increase his numbers tremendously because he doesn't have the same traits to get it there at 61%

 

That's why we're saying to wait and see what he does this year!  He now has a top WR in Brown, and also has Smith and Dallas. We all saw the big leap Allen took with a top WR, so Hurts needs to make a noticeable leap too.

1 minute ago, MF POON said:

That's why we're saying to wait and see what he does this year!  He now has a top WR in Brown, and also has Smith and Dallas. We all saw the big leap Allen took with a top WR, so Hurts needs to make a noticeable leap too.

McNabb also took that same leap with TO, there is no excuses this year, and with an extra game, these are the minimums he needs to hit to be the QB of the future.

4000 passing yards, 25-28 passing TD's, 65% completions.

1 minute ago, MF POON said:

That's why we're saying to wait and see what he does this year!  He now has a top WR in Brown, and also has Smith and Dallas. We all saw the big leap Allen took with a top WR, so Hurts needs to make a noticeable leap too.

He had talent around him last year. He had two top ten tight ends, a Heisman wide out and quez who everyone seems to like a bit plus a top running offense that ran just fine without him 

Just now, Shalodeep said:

He had talent around him last year. He had two top ten tight ends, a Heisman wide out and quez who everyone seems to like a bit plus a top running offense that ran just fine without him 

Ertz was a shell of himself, but I'll give you Dallas. Plus he only had Ertz for like 7-8 games.  Quez Watkins sucks until he proves otherwise.

Another annoying thing I keep seeing is the "he didn't start his whole first season" ... Lamar didnt and won MVP, burrow went to the Superbowl, and Mahomes set the league on fire. When you got it, you got it 

 

7 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Ertz was a shell of himself, but I'll give you Dallas. Plus he only had Ertz for like 7-8 games.  Quez Watkins sucks until he proves otherwise.

Without Quez Watkins, Hurts only has two completions over 40 yards last year, and only 9 over 30.

5 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Ertz was a shell of himself, but I'll give you Dallas. Plus he only had Ertz for like 7-8 games.  Quez Watkins sucks until he proves otherwise.

Ertz was 9th in yards for tight end, DG 5th, Smitty broke the eagles rookie record and looked legit.... Pretty good group there with the #1 rushing offense 

 

Just now, Shalodeep said:

Another annoying thing I keep seeing is the "he didn't start his whole first season" ... Lamar didnt and won MVP, burrow went to the Superbowl, and Mahomes set the league on fire. When you got it, you got it 

 

I mean the Chiefs were yearly playoff participants with Alex Smith before Mahomes took over. The Ravens are usually contenders and draft well.  if Hurts had come in and played 6 games with those teams, then maybe he has more success? Our 2020 team was AWFUL, but I guess it's Jalen's fault he didn't set the league on fire lol

5 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Ertz was 9th in yards for tight end, DG 5th, Smitty broke the eagles rookie record and looked legit.... Pretty good group there with the #1 rushing offense 

 

Ertz was still a shell of himself here. He got most of that yardage with Arizona, which was a much better team than us.  Again, my issue is that you're saying he should've lit it up,  Peyton came into the league and had Marshall Faulk, Pollard, and Marvin Harrison, yet went 3-13, and also had 28 INTs. 

4 minutes ago, MF POON said:

I mean the Chiefs were yearly playoff participants with Alex Smith before Mahomes took over. The Ravens are usually contenders and draft well.  if Hurts had come in and played 6 games with those teams, then maybe he has more success? Our 2020 team was AWFUL, but I guess it's Jalen's fault he didn't set the league on fire lol

Imagine dg, smith, Ertz, gainwell, quez eith the running game and that offensive line with those QBs and then come talk to me if you think they wouldn't be exponentially better players with those QBs 

You seem to completely ignore the fact that prior to the 2020 fiasco, the team made the playoffs three years in a row. Also not considering the offensive line as a weapon. It is.... completely changes the line of scrimmage play in, play out

6 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Ertz was still a shell of himself here. He got most of that yardage with Arizona, which was a much better team than us.  Again, my issue is that you're saying he should've lit it up,  Peyton came into the league and had Marshall Faulk, Pollard, and Marvin Harrison, yet went 3-13, and also had 28 INTs. 

Comparing Hurts to Peyton Manning

Just now, Shalodeep said:

Imagine dg, smith, Ertz, gainwell, quez eith the running game and that offensive line with those QBs and then come talk to me if you think they wouldn't be exponentially better players with those QBs 

Sure, better QB's can elevate players around them, but that isn't the argument we're having here. We were talking 1st year starters, and you claimed Hurts should've set the league on fire due to the QB's you mentioned doing so, and the talent around him.  I pointed out how the great Manning struggled in his first year as a starter with all that talent.  Those other players went into better situations too.  

Even admitting that a guy like Rodgers would've elevated those players, that doesn't mean we still weren't that good last year. Our defense was still awful against any solid QB

14 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Another annoying thing I keep seeing is the "he didn't start his whole first season" ... Lamar didnt and won MVP, burrow went to the Superbowl, and Mahomes set the league on fire. When you got it, you got it 

 

The one thing all those guys had over Hurts? They all were listening to the same voice and studying the same playbook for their first two years. There was a ton of turmoil with the Eagles in his first year, and the coach he learned from was dumped. Then instead of a coach with some experience underneath his belt, they brought in a coach that was wet behind his ears. The Eagles really did no favors for Hurts.

I think besides bringing in Brown, the best thing that has happened is him having the same coach two years in a row. He should get a lot better just because of that alone.

2 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

You seem to completely ignore the fact that prior to the 2020 fiasco, the team made the playoffs three years in a row. Also not considering the offensive line as a weapon. It is.... completely changes the line of scrimmage play in, play out

in 2019 we lucked into the playoffs in the same way we did last year. Are you really trying to say that the 2019 team was worthy of being in the playoffs?

9 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Ertz was still a shell of himself here. He got most of that yardage with Arizona, which was a much better team than us.  Again, my issue is that you're saying he should've lit it up,  Peyton came into the league and had Marshall Faulk, Pollard, and Marvin Harrison, yet went 3-13, and also had 28 INTs. 

Do you think he was a shell of himself because the QB play was at a lower level than before?  Not saying he was top tier, but to be able to still get top 10 yards while splitting reps half the year is pretty damn solid.  Also.... Manning? Come on now. You know better. 

2 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Sure, better QB's can elevate players around them, but that isn't the argument we're having here. We were talking 1st year starters, and you claimed Hurts should've set the league on fire due to the QB's you mentioned doing so, and the talent around him.  I pointed out how the great Manning struggled in his first year as a starter with all that talent.  Those other players went into better situations too.  

Even admitting that a guy like Rodgers would've elevated those players, that doesn't mean we still weren't that good last year. Our defense was still awful against any solid QB

But it wasn't Hurts first year! How many damn rookie seasons can one guy have

Just now, Shalodeep said:

Do you think he was a shell of himself because the QB play was at a lower level than before?  Not saying he was top tier, but to be able to still get top 10 yards while splitting reps half the year is pretty damn solid.  Also.... Manning? Come on now. You know better. 

No, he's just a shell of himself. He's been on the decline since 2020.

Just now, Shalodeep said:

But it wasn't Hurts first year! How many damn rookie seasons can one guy have

He played a whopping 4 games, scratch that, 3 1/2 games as a rookie, and wasn't the official starter.  But fine, add those 3 1/2 games on a terrible 2020 team if you want

2 minutes ago, MF POON said:

No, he's just a shell of himself. He's been on the decline since 2020.

So his decline is better than 2/3rd all tight ends....not bad 

5 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

The one thing all those guys had over Hurts? They all were listening to the same voice and studying the same playbook for their first two years.

Hurtscuse #2

Just now, MF POON said:

He played a whopping 4 games, scratch that, 3 1/2 games as a rookie, and wasn't the official starter.  But fine, add those 3 1/2 games on a terrible 2020 team if you want

Mahomes had how many?

Lamar?