4 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Everybody forgets his seasons in the USFL

That's  cause that isn't the NFL lol. I didn't forget, hershal walker would be in the hall of Fame if they included his usfl days. 

I was one who in the second year didn't think Hurts was the guy going forward and long term. I love his personality and his willingness to get better at the position. I absolutely cringe when he takes off because one of those times I keep thinking he is going to get hurt. I have been hoping to be absolutely wrong about him being the long term answer and I am SO glad to see him proving me and others wrong. I don't think he could have played a more perfect game last night and what a performance to give in front of the home crowd so you can see me as being doubtful of him being the long term starter but being behind him in case that is actually the situation. He is constantly improving as a passer and his work ethic is to be admired (I have been saying that since he has been the starter. I have been an Eagles fan since I was a kid growing up in Philly during the 80's and will always support whoever is under center. 

And now here we are....

Sidenote: He reminded me of Vick tonight....of course, Vick had a cannon for an arm that was left handed but you all get my point. 

 

Just now, brkmsn said:

Elway, Young and Cunningham all managed long careers despite lots of hits due to their "style." Their effectiveness had actually improved in their latter years. You keep promoting this slippery slope and really, that's all it is. All "QB styles" get hurt. All have examples of shorter careers. Some QBs just aren't as durable as others. Nobody knows the future.

Yeah, I keep promoting that a QB that runs the ball double digit times on average is bound to be hurt more frequently than one that doesn't.

For reference... 
Steve Young had 10 or more carries 10 times in his career, including playoffs.  He never exceeded 11.   In a 15 year NFL career.
Randall Cunningham had 10 or more carries 13 times, including playoffs.   He never exceeded 14.   In a 16 year NFL career, most at the end as a backup.
John Elway had 10 or more carries just TWICE, including playoffs.  He never exceeded 11.  In a 16 year career.

 

Would you like to take a guess as to how many Hurts has in 21 career starts?  Care to guess how many times he's exceeded 15 carries in a game in 21 career starts?

 

Also, Hurts is running as DESIGNED QB runs that equal at least half the total of his runs.   In other words, he's scrambling like they did... but ALSO carrying the ball as a design of the offense.   That's not the same style... at all.

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

 

You don't have to defend him anymore, you can find someone else everyone hates to defend. 😛

7 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

That's  cause that isn't the NFL lol. I didn't forget, hershal walker would be in the hall of Fame if they included his usfl days. 

Maybe he should be... it is the "Pro Football" Hall of Fame, not the NFL Hall of Fame.   Just sayin'.    Doug Flutie should get in too for his CFL days.  lol

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Maybe he should be... it is the "Pro Football" Hall of Fame, not the NFL Hall of Fame.   Just sayin'.    Doug Flutie should get in too for his CFL days.  lol

No way man lol. That's why I don't like the "basketball" hall of Fame because scrubs get in because they were good in biddy basketball... Lol

7 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

That's  cause that isn't the NFL lol. I didn't forget, hershal walker would be in the hall of Fame if they included his usfl days. 

Guys like Brady and Rodgers (probably)  are redefining what "long career" means. But guys like Young, Cunningham, Elway and Manning/Manning had long careers playing into their late 30s. It's also rare to see a guy stay on one team that long due to the potential cost of that player weighed against uncertainty about his age. No ... I'm not worried about 10 years from now. I'm only concerned about right now. 

9 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

You don't have to defend him anymore, you can find someone else everyone hates to defend. 😛

Somebody said something bad about Davis in the game thread. Maybe I'll check that out ...

2 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Somebody said something bad about Davis in the game thread. Maybe I'll check that out ...

That's the spirit!

3 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Guys like Brady and Rodgers (probably)  are redefining what "long career" means. But guys like Young, Cunningham, Elway and Manning/Manning had long careers playing into their late 30s. It's also rare to see a guy stay on one team that long due to the potential cost of that player weighed against uncertainty about his age. No ... I'm not worried about 10 years from now. I'm only concerned about right now. 

Shame you can't see the difference in what Hurts is doing and Young, Cunningham and Elway.   I laid it out for you if you are interested in investigating it for yourself.

 

 

BTW, the answer is 10.  Hurts already has as many 10 carries games as the highest of them in their career... in his first 21 starts.   He's also topped the most carries any of them had (Cunningham had one game of 14) 5 times... In other words... he's not only surpassing the 10 carries plateau... he's blowing it away.  18 carries twice, 17 carries... its not sustainable.    

And, no I don't know the future, but I know that if you continually play with fire, eventually you will get burned.   That's called Probabilities.  Vegas was built on it.  Hurts' style is trying to beat the house.  The odds are stacked against him.  He could win, but only if he can turn the odds in his favor, rather than the house's favor.   And one of those ways is to not take on multiple defenders on a big run and just run out of bounds at the 4 yard line, rather than try to run through 3 guys.   He did it.  He scored.  And he wasn't injured.   But, it really is a matter of when, not if, it happens.

9 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Somebody said something bad about Davis in the game thread. Maybe I'll check that out ...

You can help me defend Siri people still hate him for some reason. Dude is fiery, players absolutely love him. He makes adjustments for the better of the team to get wins and people still think he is a joke. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Shame you can't see the difference in what Hurts is doing and Young, Cunningham and Elway.   I laid it out for you if you are interested in investigating it for yourself.

 

 

BTW, the answer is 10.  Hurts already has as many 10 carries games as the highest of them in their career... in his first 21 starts.   He's also topped the most carries any of them had (Cunningham had one game of 14) 5 times... In other words... he's not only surpassing the 10 carries plateau... he's blowing it away.  18 carries twice, 17 carries... its not sustainable.    

And, no I don't know the future, but I know that if you continually play with fire, eventually you will get burned.   That's called Probabilities.  Vegas was built on it.  Hurts' style is trying to beat the house.  The odds are stacked against him.  He could win, but only if he can turn the odds in his favor, rather than the house's favor.   And one of those ways is to not take on multiple defenders on a big run and just run out of bounds at the 4 yard line, rather than try to run through 3 guys.   He did it.  He scored.  And he wasn't injured.   But, it really is a matter of when, not if, it happens.

How long did Walter Payton, Emmitt Smith, and Frank Gore play? How did they manage to survive the pounding? Was it because they were RBs or because their bodies were more durable than say, T. Davis, Gale Sayers?

1 minute ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

You can help me defend Siri people still hate him for some reason. Dude is fiery, players absolutely love him. He makes adjustments for the better of the team to get wins and people still think he is a joke. 

Don't worry, I can defend up to 51 people at once! I always felt bad, though, that I wasn't available for Nate Gerry. The dude sucked. 

3 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

How long did Walter Payton, Emmitt Smith, and Frank Gore play? How did they manage to survive the pounding? Was it because they were RBs or because their bodies were more durable than say, T. Davis, Gale Sayers?

Apples... oranges.

RB position has very different demands than the QB position.   If the QB takes a big hit to his shoulder and its a little sore, it can affect his throwing motion.   If a RB takes a big hit to his shoulder, he can still carry the ball, he just might be a bit less willing to lower his shoulder on the next play rather than protect himself.  How does a QB's shoulder hold up when he's lowering it to plow through defenders on a regular basis?  Do the bumps and bruises along the way accumulate so that he's less effective as a passer as the season wears on?  Do the hits accumulate over the years?    Sure seems like that's the case based on the history of QBs who routinely run the ball as a design of the offense.  

1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Ahhhh, the 'ole "Black QB" treatment.

Says he' "cocky"... without actually giving an example of being cocky.  He constantly brought up the Tampa Bay game in the playoffs. I'd like to see that stat line to how many first year starter QB's win their first playoff game vs the defending SB champs. I'm going to out on a limb and say very  few... if any.  It doesn't sound like he's willing to give Hurts a chance to improve because of his bias against him. He'll probably be rooting against him this year. That's a shame. He's been a poster here for a very long time. It's kinda said to see this.

Hurts is still a work in progress.  There are still parts of his game that need to improve, but he showed last night that he is, in fact, developing well.  And with the way this guy approaches the game, his work ethic and his intensity, I'm sure he hears the criticisms, and wants to improve on all parts of his game.

A game like this builds a lot of confidence and QBs need to feel confident.  Hurts seems like he was always confident in himself, but games like this reinforce it.  Even when his numbers aren't great, the guys around him pick up on that confidence and can carry the load.

He's definitely going in the right direction.  But he's only started 21 games, 17 in this offense.  He's still has a learning curve.  And consistency is the hardest step of all. 

1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Ahhhh, the 'ole "Black QB" treatment.

It's amazing how racist statements like this are. Cocky doesn't have a color and nobody should be in a protected class...unless people like you only see race.

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

It's amazing how racist statements like this are. Cocky doesn't have a color and nobody should be in a protected class...unless people like you only see race.

 

It's a ridiculous statement just on the surface, because he comes across as anything but cocky to someone who is a neutral observer. One of the attributes many people talk about in reference to Hurts is that he's a humble guy. So, when one guy is roundly acknowledged to be anything but cocky, yet you see the exact opposite in him (for what, an intense celebration after a big play?), then it's natural to wonder what might be clouding your judgment.

38 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

You can help me defend Siri people still hate him for some reason. Dude is fiery, players absolutely love him. He makes adjustments for the better of the team to get wins and people still think he is a joke. 

He is another who needs to go with his DC.

41 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Shame you can't see the difference in what Hurts is doing and Young, Cunningham and Elway.   I laid it out for you if you are interested in investigating it for yourself.

 

 

BTW, the answer is 10.  Hurts already has as many 10 carries games as the highest of them in their career... in his first 21 starts.   He's also topped the most carries any of them had (Cunningham had one game of 14) 5 times... In other words... he's not only surpassing the 10 carries plateau... he's blowing it away.  18 carries twice, 17 carries... its not sustainable.    

And, no I don't know the future, but I know that if you continually play with fire, eventually you will get burned.   That's called Probabilities.  Vegas was built on it.  Hurts' style is trying to beat the house.  The odds are stacked against him.  He could win, but only if he can turn the odds in his favor, rather than the house's favor.   And one of those ways is to not take on multiple defenders on a big run and just run out of bounds at the 4 yard line, rather than try to run through 3 guys.   He did it.  He scored.  And he wasn't injured.   But, it really is a matter of when, not if, it happens.

Yeah, but as everyone likes to point out, that was a different league. Guys like Lamar and Hurts are going to have more carries than those guys, and the main thing is to make sure they don't take unnecessary hits on those runs. When Cunningham, Young, etc were playing, you could totally take a QB's head off when he became a runner. Nowadays QB's are overprotected, and defensive players are afraid to make contact.

Just now, MF POON said:

Yeah, but as everyone likes to point out, that was a different league. Guys like Lamar and Hurts are going to have more carries than those guys, and the main thing is to make sure they don't take unnecessary hits on those runs. When Cunningham, Young, etc were playing, you could totally take a QB's head off when he became a runner. Nowadays QB's are overprotected, and defensive players are afraid to make contact.

Jalen getting his head blown up twice this season already says otherwise. 

22 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

It's a ridiculous statement just on the surface because comes across as anything but cocky to someone who is a neutral observer. One of the attributes many people talk about in reference to Hurts is that he's a humble guy. So, when one guy is roundly acknowledged to be anything but cocky, yet you see the exact opposite in him (for what, an intense celebration after a big play?), then it's natural to wonder what might be clouding your vision.

Yeah, his celebrations rub me the wrong way like the first TD he threw in the PS. I like passion, but he isn't good enough of a QB to act like that IMO. I'm biased and want him off the team because I see his success as something that won't last and ultimately he is someone holding them back. I'm not buying in to get let down and don't pretend to be unbiased or hide it. 

If I'm right I'm not seeking anyone out and quoting them to rub it in, but know fully well others will if I'm wrong and I won't be hiding from it.

Just now, Bwestbrook36 said:

Jalen getting his head blown up twice this season already says otherwise. 

Those hits don't even compare, and I don't think those hits were as bad as some claim, they were just a bit late.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, his celebrations rub me the wrong way like the first TD he threw in the PS. I like passion, but he isn't good enough of a QB to act like that IMO. I'm biased and want him off the team because I see him as someone holding them back. I don't pretend to be unbiased or hide it.

Dang, I didn't think we'd have someone hating on Hurts today, but you proved me wrong 😄

Confidence and cocky are two different things, he def isn’t cocky.