30 minutes ago, Infam said:

I think Roseman will give him a five year contract as soon as he is allowed to.

He usually locks up key players right away (if they are young).

In fact, typical would be that we keep almost everybody and restructure so much that the can gets kicked down the road like never before. I can already see the usual suspects angry that we will have no money left in 2024.. 😁

Yeah at this point no one should question Roseman on his cap restructuring abilities or his uncanny knack for winning trades. People thought the Eagles were done if they traded Wentz both cap wise, and talent wise. Look what he’s accomplished just two years removed from that albatross. Heck he made a playoff team just one year after with no cap money at all. It’s time to stop the Howie hate too. 

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Yeah at this point no one should question Roseman on his cap restructuring abilities or his uncanny knack for winning trades. People thought the Eagles were done if they traded Wentz both cap wise, and talent wise. Look what he’s accomplished just two years removed from that albatross. Heck he made a playoff team just one year after with no cap money at all. It’s time to stop the Howie hate too. 

2 things you could never ever question Howie on, Trades and Cap.....but his drafts were always a big question mark.  Well after the last two years, that even seems to have gone away.

16 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I’m sure there were others too. @MF POON, and @EaglesRocker97 have definitely fought the good fight also to name a few though I have too. I can’t say I was one who truly believed in Hurts, only that I thought it was way too early to judge him like so many have.

 

I was always just cautiously optimistic about him. With young players, I try to not sell myself hard in either direction of "bust" or "savior." Truth be told, I did the easy thing and didn't get too high or low on the guy and just decided I was going to give him a fair amount of time before judging his fitness for the position. If you were looking, though, there was always something there to hang your hat on. We often talk about prospects "flashing." Does he "flash" ability? Even if he's struggling at times, does he periodically show you glimpses of brilliance? Can the mistakes be attributed to growing pains due to inexperience, or does the guy lack a foundation from which to build on? I always saw Hurts "flash" enough on the field to keep me interested, to make me want to see how this guy can perform 2, 3 years down the line, once he'd had a sufficient amount of time to learn and grow with proper coaching in a consistent environment. I saw a guy oozing with intangibles that, when effectively exploited, could lead him to success as an NFL QB. Too many others were caught up in proving their preconceptions from the outset and too beholden to first impressions of why they just didn't like the guy.

12 hours ago, MeccaDon123 said:

Although I don't post as much as I used to ...pretty sure I was telling these "noodle arm" idiots that they had no football IQ, and they didn't understand mechanics and footwork.

THIS. These kinds of debates make it really easy to spot the guys who have never played/coached at any competitive level.

 

10 hours ago, MidMoFo said:

Update your sig… then GFY….

Your mother didn't hug you a lot growing up huh?

Nope. Sorry. ANY SINGLE SOLITARY POST that had anything to do with any eagles offensive player would degenerate into the usual fake know-it-all attention-****z showing up and hurling the usual variety of the usual Jalen Hurts insults. 
 

"yeah we got AJ but who’s gonna throw him the ball?”

” How’s Devonta gonna do anything without a REAL qb?”

”hurts is working out just to throw the ball too late”

”what’s the point of quez when our noodle arm qb can’t get him the ball?”

”let’s be real…. He’s Tyrod Taylor at best.”

”let’s just hope hurts fails as spectacularly as possible so we can draft a REAL qb!”

”all he can do is run and beat bottom feeders”

"We signed Bradbury but can he play qb?”

 

and how DARE anybody try to show how he was actually trending towards improving. 
 

"there’s no way he can take a big leap like Josh Allen did! Those are COMPLETELY different circumstances! Hurts will never improve like that  you’re crazy if you do! (Insert lol smiley here)”

 

So go ahead, you wanna-be know-it-all attention-****z. Walk your unknowledgeable BS back. Pretend you never said those things. Pretend like you’re STILL not waiting for him to fail just so you can be right about your UNMISTAKABLY POOR PLAYER PROJECTION. I for one, welcome any and everyone to call you clowns out on your BS with receipts. 
 

because as @MidMoFo already posted….. there’s a WHOLE LOT of them  

 

Hey I will happily admit to being wrong about Hurts. I thought he’d get a little better, but didn’t think he was the guy. I’m 100% convinced that he’s the franchise now. Dude has improved dramatically as a passer since last year. 

 

1 hour ago, Shalodeep said:

Your mother didn't hug you a lot growing up huh?

I mean… if YOU are evaluating that my mama didn’t hug me… it’s probably a safe assumption that mama Midmofo was a kind, caring and exceptional mother. Amirite? 😉

13 hours ago, brkmsn said:

 

His passing ability was a legitimate concern. He's clearly improved but to act like he was playing this way before is a lie

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

His passing ability was a legitimate concern. He's clearly improved but to act like he was playing this way before is a lie

 

2 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

THIS. These kinds of debates make it really easy to spot the guys who have never played/coached at any competitive level.

 

Brian Dawkins was on the Jim Rome show last Friday.  He said he had all the same concerns that all of us had listed at the end of last season.

Are you going to discredit Brian Dawkins opinion ??

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

 

Brian Dawkins was on the Jim Rome show last Friday.  He said he had all the same concerns that all of us had listed at the end of last season.

Are you going to discredit Brian Dawkins opinion ??

 

I'm sure Dawkins' statements were much more qualified and astute beyond "Hurrr, durrr, Hurts sucksssss. He can't throwwwwww. He's a RB playing QB, blah, blah, blah."

9 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

I'm sure Dawkins' statements were much more qualified and astute beyond "Hurrr, durrr, Hurts sucksssss. He can't throwwwwww. He's a RB playing QB, blah, blah, blah."

Most people had clear opinions about their concerns, you were just to obtuse to hear them.

Just now, downundermike said:

Most people had clear opinions about their concerns, you were just to obtuse to hear them.

 

Those opinions were rarely expressed with any depth beyond what I stated above, and you're too proud to admit that you were among that group.

3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Those opinions were rarely expressed with any depth beyond what I stated above, and you're too proud to admit that you were among that group.

I have said multiple times in multiple threads he has played well this year.

What a joke you've looked like in this thread, Mike. Christ, just take your medicine. I've been here all along, telling you guys to be patient while pointing out the little things that Hurts does right and recognizing his potential,  while you and your ilk have done nothing but b**ch and bluster about how Hurts is horrible and a fraud who could never be an NFL QB, and I'm the obtuse one? This is pure projection on your part, and it is quite frankly pathetic.

If I'm obtuse, then you're blind as a bat.

His passing ability improved drastically and quickly this season. Last year didn't look like it would happen much at all

He's also staying in the pocket more when last year was pretty bad

He took a hell of leap

One of my last concerns is if he can beat a team like the Bills to win the SB

He was never as bad of a passer as people made him out to be. A lot of his struggles came down to the need to develop chemistry, confidence, and familiarity with the playbook as the coaching staff built the system around his strengths, not because he didn't have an NFL arm or brain. Regardless, the point was that it was always possible to improve his passing ability to a level that was at least adequate. Did I expect him to improve so much so rapidly? No, but did I think he could still make strides toward that end? Yes, while most others just assumed that he was already a finished product from the moment he was drafted.

Lol sure

Lol, typical deflection response. Some people just can't handle being wrong.

17 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

He was never as bad of a passer as people made him out to be. A lot of his struggles came down to the need to develop chemistry, confidence, and familiarity with the playbook as the coaching staff built the system around his strengths, not because he didn't have an NFL arm or brain. Regardless, the point was that it was always possible to improve his passing ability to a level that was at least adequate. Did I expect him to improve so much so rapidly? No, but did I think he could still make strides toward that end? Yes, while most others just assumed that he was already a finished product from the moment he was drafted.

As was pointed out in the blog by Howie Roseman apologist austinfan, has he really improved that much, or is having an elite offensive line and skill position players hiding some flaws ??

As @Mike030270 said above, I would be worried about him beating a team like the Bills in the Super Bowl.

Offensively, Bills are #1 in yards per game and #2 in points per game.

Defensively, Bills are #3 in yards per game, and #1 in points per game.

Do you think Hurts is ready for a game like the KC / Buffalo playoff game last year ??  Can he go score for score, quickly with Josh Allen, or Patrick Mahomes for that matter ??

12 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Lol, typical deflection response. Some people just can't handle being wrong.

You even responded to posts about me praising his improvement this year so how is that me not being able to handle being wrong?

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

As was pointed out in the blog by Howie Roseman apologist austinfan, has he really improved that much, or is having an elite offensive line and skill position players hiding some flaws ??

As @Mike030270 said above, I would be worried about him beating a team like the Bills in the Super Bowl.

Offensively, Bills are #1 in yards per game and #2 in points per game.

Defensively, Bills are #3 in yards per game, and #1 in points per game.

Do you think Hurts is ready for a game like the KC / Buffalo playoff game last year ??  Can he go score for score, quickly with Josh Allen, or Patrick Mahomes for that matter ??

 

I don't know, we'll have to wait and see. But is this the bar now? Are we moving the goalposts and saying Hurts at age 24 isn't a franchise QB if he can't yet go toe-to-toe with the best in the league? Maybe he's there, but if he isn't yet, that's fine. I think it's fine if it takes him another couple years to get to that level, but the team and coaching staff around him are definitely good enough for them to win it all right now, even if he isn't on the level of an Allen or Mahomes yet. He's also just a different kind of QB than they are, so an elite Hurts will still likely not look like Allen or Mahomes do when they're at the top of their games, but he'll still be good enough to get you the win on most Sundays.

There is nothing left to discuss, the haters and Wentz washers were wrong and at this point it’s just pride. 😂😂😂