18 hours ago, MagicMoment said:

Blame Lurie’s son as well for his stupid analytics BS

Yeah, that’s the problem here, especially with Howie. They think there’s some kind of science to football where you can plug a bunch of numbers together and find the answer (player). That’s not how football works. You need to be able to evaluate talent. 

Just because Dylan McMahon has a similar spider chart as Jason Kelce doesn’t mean they’re the same player. There’s so many other variables. 

3 hours ago, Vee said:

Are you crazy?  You really think that's how this works.

There is no team that is sufficiently refined to avoid big time busts....that's why LESS THAN HALF of first round picks get a second contract from the team that drafted them!

Howie has issues. I fundamentally disagree with some of his decisions. Without going into too many specifics... He is Average. He is not all terrible, nor is he a great manager. Trader? Yes. Manager? Nop. As we try to upgrade our coaches..we should apply the same philosophy to our GM. Perhaps it is time to upgrade. Get someone who can bring in top scouts. Someone with fresh philosophy and perspective.

5 hours ago, Vee said:

Are you crazy?  You really think that's how this works.

There is no team that is sufficiently refined to avoid big time busts....that's why LESS THAN HALF of first round picks get a second contract from the team that drafted them!

Quote the rest of my post. What part of "it is not" was unclear? 

20 hours ago, Portyansky said:

If you were a manager of a garage and provided nothing but the best in terms of tools (players), but the employees (HC) using those tools turn out to be morons, how much accountability should be on you, when the owner does the actual hiring of said morons? 

It’s on the person who hired the morons. 

Yes!

CGJ sucks

Huff a big zero

Devin White released

Kept Siri when he should have been fired

Just an  epic fail report card.

 

 

I feel all the time we say Howie is great then he sucks lol. Crazy flip flopping.

51 minutes ago, wrestlevessel said:

I feel all the time we say Howie is great then he sucks lol. Crazy flip flopping.

Wrong.  That's just the Howie Humpers that blindly praise all his moves including his draft picks (Georgia BUSTdogs) before they even played a single NFL snap and his failed FA acquisitions (Robert Quinn, Byard, Leonard, White, Huff). 

Obviously, Mitchell has been a great pick. DeJean, finally healthy, is playing some really good football --- on defense and as a PR. Jalyx Hunt is starting to get on the field and he's making some plays. Wilson finally paid dividends as a redzone threat. A. Smith hasn't really flashed yet, but he's providing depth at WR now that he's healthy. Overall, I thought the draft pick contribution in the dallas win was very good. 

Huff is playing better as a pass rush specialist. Baun has been an amazing contributor on defense. Dean is settling in as the green dot leader on defense. CJGJ is getting into the big play rhythm that is contagious. Carter is a monster inside and is still not getting near enough holding penalties called in our favor (Come on, NFL!). Ojomo and Williams are also playing good football inside. Davis has been solid and it would be nice to see him advance beyond "solid" at some point. 

Becton has been tremendous as a run blocker and not bad as a pass blocker. Fred Johnson is awesome depth, filling in for injured starters. Dotson is starting to make a case for more targets. Calcaterra stepped in while Goedert was out and played very well. 

Fangio isn't the useless, old fossil many people were calling him in September. A lot of fans weren't excited about bringing Maddox back, but his versatility strengthens the depth and he was able to help ease the transition to the NFL for DeJean. D. White didn't end up winning a role here, but he was instrumental in pushing Dean to "earn" the starting role that was handed to him last season. 

 

5 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Obviously, Mitchell has been a great pick. DeJean, finally healthy, is playing some really good football --- on defense and as a PR. Jalyx Hunt is starting to get on the field and he's making some plays. Wilson finally paid dividends as a redzone threat. A. Smith hasn't really flashed yet, but he's providing depth at WR now that he's healthy. Overall, I thought the draft pick contribution in the dallas win was very good. 

Huff is playing better as a pass rush specialist. Baun has been an amazing contributor on defense. Dean is settling in as the green dot leader on defense. CJGJ is getting into the big play rhythm that is contagious. Carter is a monster inside and is still not getting near enough holding penalties called in our favor (Come on, NFL!). Ojomo and Williams are also playing good football inside. Davis has been solid and it would be nice to see him advance beyond "solid" at some point. 

Becton has been tremendous as a run blocker and not bad as a pass blocker. Fred Johnson is awesome depth, filling in for injured starters. Dotson is starting to make a case for more targets. Calcaterra stepped in while Goedert was out and played very well. 

Fangio isn't the useless, old fossil many people were calling him in September. A lot of fans weren't excited about bringing Maddox back, but his versatility strengthens the depth and he was able to help ease the transition to the NFL for DeJean. D. White didn't end up winning a role here, but he was instrumental in pushing Dean to "earn" the starting role that was handed to him last season. 

 

Agree with nearly all that you’ve stated, but Davis is entering (or has entered) bust territory. His inconsistent play shows a lack of stamina, heart, or both. He’s soft. Of course, that was the knock on him coming out of college. I believe this will be his last year if he doesn’t improve in a serious way. But, I don’t see him improving other than being a just a big body on running downs. There’s no impact beyond that. 

5 minutes ago, Southparkeagles said:

Agree with nearly all that you stated, but Davis is entering (or has entered) bust territory. His inconsistent play shows a lack of stamina, heart, or both. He’s soft. Of course, that was the knock on him coming out of college. I believe this will be his last year if he doesn’t improve in a serious way. But, I don’t see him improving other than being a just a big body on running plays. 

Hmm - I wouldn’t go that far. I think people over use the term bust. He’s been a solid rotational DT.

Having said that, picking a DT at 13 who plays 40% of snaps and is just solid make it a pretty bad pick, particularly when Kyle Hamilton was sitting there. Davis is the kind of player that you would be happy getting in rounds 3-5. Not the top of the first round.

2 minutes ago, Southparkeagles said:

Agree with nearly all that you stated, but Davis is entering (or has entered) bust territory. His inconsistent play shows a lack of stamina, heart, or both. He’s soft. Of course, that was the knock on him coming out of college. I believe this will be his last year if he doesn’t improve in a serious way. But, I don’t see him improving other than being a just a big body on running plays. 

I don't really consider "solid starter" a "bust." Does that justify the draft capital spent on him? Most would say, "no." It doesn't really bother me how a contributor gets here, though. It's very similar to Barnett in that we moved up to get him and he never became a star player. 

I disagree with the idea that this will be his last year (at this rate). He hasn't been as bad as some people are making him out to be. The Eagles seem to be managing his snap count to keep him from being worn out late in the season. We'll see how that works out.

24 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Hmm - I wouldn’t go that far. I think people over use the term bust. He’s been a solid rotational DT.

Having said that, picking a DT at 13 who plays 40% of snaps and is just solid make it a pretty bad pick, particularly when Kyle Hamilton was sitting there. Davis is the kind of player that you would be happy getting in rounds 3-5. Not the top of the first round.

Exactly. I should have pointed that out in my post. He’s hasn’t panned out as a first rd pick, at 9 to boot. He’s a fair pick in the late 2nd to 3rd round(s). This is why I’m labeling him a potential bust and I should’ve mentioned that. *If we move on from him, we’d get maybe a 3rd rd pick, but more likely a 4th or multiple late rd picks. (*trade viability only if applicable).

35 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I don't really consider "solid starter" a "bust." Does that justify the draft capital spent on him? Most would say, "no." It doesn't really bother me how a contributor gets here, though. It's very similar to Barnett in that we moved up to get him and he never became a star player. 

I disagree with the idea that this will be his last year (at this rate). He hasn't been as bad as some people are making him out to be. The Eagles seem to be managing his snap count to keep him from being worn out late in the season. We'll see how that works out.

I should’ve added that he was the 9th pick in the first round in my previous post. That’s a major reason for my labeling him a potential bust, I apologize for leaving that out.
 We all expected more out of him, but there are signs that show he’s lived up to his inconsistent/slacker college label. I believe some of its due to his size and conditioning, but there may be a mental component to it as well. He still could finish the season out strong, but not as a dominant cog in the rotation. He is what he is, and that’s a big body who plays at a mildly average or passable level for a DT. Nothing special and unfortunately mostly forgettable for his career so far. 

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I don't really consider "solid starter" a "bust." Does that justify the draft capital spent on him? Most would say, "no." It doesn't really bother me how a contributor gets here, though. It's very similar to Barnett in that we moved up to get him and he never became a star player. 

I disagree with the idea that this will be his last year (at this rate). He hasn't been as bad as some people are making him out to be. The Eagles seem to be managing his snap count to keep him from being worn out late in the season. We'll see how that works out.

 

1 hour ago, Southparkeagles said:

I should’ve added that he was the 9th pick in the first round in my previous post. That’s a major reason for my labeling him a potential bust, I apologize for leaving that out.
 We all expected more out of him, but there are signs that show he’s lived up to his inconsistent/slacker college label. I believe some of its due to his size and conditioning, but there may be a mental component to it as well. He still could finish the season out strong, but not as a dominant cog in the rotation. He is what he is, and that’s a big body who plays at a mildly average or passable level for a DT. Nothing special and unfortunately mostly forgettable for his career so far. 

13th pick. But yes disappointing so far. As BRK says - his tale isn’t done yet. We have some big games against strong running teams coming up. Let’s see if he can asset himself.

i fully expect him to be here next year. But he needs to show a lot more for that 5th year option to be picked up. 

We used the 5th year option on Agholor and Barnett. I'll be shocked if we don't use it on Davis as well, honestly. It's not like he's been unseated as a starter and he's the only legit NT currently on the team.

2 hours ago, Procus said:

They’re all contributing to this football team and there are lower pick guys who still are too.

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

They’re all contributing to this football team and there are lower pick guys who still are too.

Howie learning to nail the draft is like Happy Gilmore learning to putt. 

 

On 10/9/2024 at 9:55 PM, ToDie4Eagles said:

Wrong.  That's just the Howie Humpers that blindly praise all his moves including his draft picks (Georgia BUSTdogs) before they even played a single NFL snap and his failed FA acquisitions (Robert Quinn, Byard, Leonard, White, Huff). 

and some people just hate Howie for Howie, regardless of how ridiculously good a roster he builds 

Every team has failed acquisitions. But no one makes up for them better than Howie Roseman

On 11/11/2024 at 7:29 PM, brkmsn said:

We used the 5th year option on Agholor and Barnett. I'll be shocked if we don't use it on Davis as well, honestly. It's not like he's been unseated as a starter and he's the only legit NT currently on the team.

I think we re-sign him. Is someone in FA going to pay him 20 million a year? No. 15m? Unlikely. He’s a good rotational NT for stopping the run, is super young, and vibes well with Carter et al.
 

He’ll get like 4y 40m. when the cap is over 300m that’ll be a good contract

4 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

 

and some people just hate Howie for Howie, regardless of how ridiculously good a roster he builds 

Every team has failed acquisitions. But no one makes up for them better than Howie Roseman

Fully furnished office for Howie!

On 5/4/2022 at 7:20 AM, dawkins4prez said:

Well let's just remember the last time we were this excited about an Eagles draft we came with Broderick Bunkley and Winston Justice.  They still have to produce.

Don't know why, but Bunkley just came to my mind a few minutes ago... man, what were we thinking drafting that bust? lol 242 total tackles and 8.5 sacks for an entire 9 year career. 

Howie would have been in Junior High when that guy was drafted!

On 1/7/2025 at 3:06 PM, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Don't know why, but Bunkley just came to my mind a few minutes ago... man, what were we thinking drafting that bust? lol 242 total tackles and 8.5 sacks for an entire 9 year career. 

I remember that bust lol.  If I recall correctly, Ngata went right before him so Eagles had just missed out.