3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'm working off the assumption Howie is here, since that's been reported, and for some reason Lurie changes his mind and fires Doug, which is what some fans want.

I'm working off the assumption they are both back.  When they weren't fired on Monday, that fate was sealed.  Lurie won't be firing either.   

4 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

If I’m the owner, and I find a GM I really like, I’m being fair. Two years basically on the house. Time to fix the mess and get a plan going and then as long as there is progress, start evaluating in year three as if it’s year 1. 

When you hire a contractor to fix a house that is in disrepair, you know that when that house requires gutting (like this one does) that the process is longer than merely a facelift and cosmetic changes.  This is a massive overhaul.  The last thing I want is incompetents taking the first steps.  

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Bo wulf had a pretty interesting theory about what lurie might actually be doing. Not saying I agree with it or that it doesn’t have other flaws. But his reasoning for not firing howie and doug is he knows the current situation with their salary cap. If he goes and fires both of them then whoever comes in has to deal with that massive hole of a salary cap and likely know that the team is not going to be overly competitive next year considering they don’t have money to add people only young draft picks and they have to get younger and they’re not a very good roster at the moment. This makes the job much less attractive due to knowing in 2021 you in a disadvantage with all those things. Meanwhile in a year from now even if the Eagles are bad and suck, you’re going to have more Flexibility as the salary cap wind up being in a better situation and likely increases. Add on the next coach and front office person would also have likely high draft picks to work with and can go whatever direction they want to at QB as you’d be able to somewhat get out of Carson’s contract and Hurts you could do whatever you wanted with.

I am not saying he’s correct or even right but it is an interesting theory on what we might be seeing

I don't think Doug has much leeway.  I mean Lurie moved from Reid after 2 seasons with no playoffs.  He moved on from Kelly after 2 non-playoff years.  He moved on from Rhodes after the 2nd season of not making the playoffs.  I have to think that if Doug's not in the playoffs after next season he's gone.  

I think Roseman goes with Doug unless Lurie believes keeping Roseman gives him a coach he wants.  So if they hired a coach who wanted personnel control  I could see Roseman letting that go to keep a job.  

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm working off the assumption they are both back.  When they weren't fired on Monday, that fate was sealed.  Lurie won't be firing either.   

I'd like to at least hear from Lurie.  You would think after that disaster of a season that addressing the fans and media would be a priority of his.  Rather odd to not hear a peep from him.  

 

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

We settled for Doug and that worked out OK.  We landed Chip and he ended being terrible.  

So few things with this. Doug won a SB which is all that matters, obviously. But everyones ready to fire him 2/3 years after him winning. What does that make him as a coach, I have no idea. Looking at the past 20 or so years there's only two coaches who went from winning the SB to being gone in less time, and it's Dungy and Kubiak who both retired. Next closest is Coughlin who lasted 4 years after his second SB. Chip was a top candidate and failed. And it happens all the time. Top candidates don't necessarily make them guaranteed to be good, especially someone jumping from College to NFL.

Basically, I guess my point is we settled for Doug and got ridiculously lucky. I don't see that scenario playing out again, if ever. 

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm working off the assumption they are both back.  When they weren't fired on Monday, that fate was sealed.  Lurie won't be firing either.   

Agreed. To move forward, they both need to be gone. I'm not interested in scenarios where 1 stays 1 goes, regardless of who.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

I'd like to at least hear from Lurie.  You would think after that disaster of a season that addressing the fans and media would be a priority of his.  Rather odd to not hear a peep from him.  

If there's no major changes, like a new GM/HC... then he has already said everything that matters.  Anything he would come out of his mouth would be meaningless... and just infuriate the fan base.  The group that wants Howie gone will be livid, the group for Doug to go will be livid, the group for Wentz to go... livid.   Speaking would only add fuel to the fire, because nothing he says would placate anyone.

We saw Logan Thomas crush us and got jealous.

10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think Doug has much leeway.  I mean Lurie moved from Reid after 2 seasons with no playoffs.  He moved on from Kelly after 2 non-playoff years.  He moved on from Rhodes after the 2nd season of not making the playoffs.  I have to think that if Doug's not in the playoffs after next season he's gone.  

I think Roseman goes with Doug unless Lurie believes keeping Roseman gives him a coach he wants.  So if they hired a coach who wanted personnel control  I could see Roseman letting that go to keep a job.  

That’s what the point was though. Both of them would be fired next year if the season goes the way it did this year. The reason why they aren’t firing them this year as well as the fact he’s trusting them giving them another year is the situation salary cap, roster and QB situation makes the job less desirable in 2021 then it does in 2022 if you have cap space, good draft picks since you were bad and likely a better hold on the qb situation. 

again not my theory but there’s some logic to it if you believe you’re going to be in a better salary cap positioning, still have high draft picks in 2022 because they’re not gonna be a very good team and you have more information on the quarterback situation that in play. If the Eagles are 4-12 in 2021 I actually agree with him that optically it appears better to a potential candidate because at least at that point you have cap Flexibility and high draft picks as compared to 2021 where they don’t have cap and no real answer at What to do at QB 

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'd like to at least hear from Lurie.  You would think after that disaster of a season that addressing the fans and media would be a priority of his.  Rather odd to not hear a peep from him.  

 

According to Mosher, Lurie is meeting with staff this whole week. So, we won't hear from Lurie this week. But, I doubt we will hear from him until before the draft. The only way we will hear from him sooner is if he cans Doug or Howie.

Just now, RLC said:

We saw Logan Thomas crush us and got jealous.

QB Factory has new equipment to convert QBs to other positions.

2 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

According to Mosher, Lurie is meeting with staff this whole week. So, we won't hear from Lurie this week. But, I doubt we will hear from him until before the draft. The only way we will hear from him sooner is if he cans Doug or Howie.

QB Factory has new equipment to convert QBs to other positions.

Starting our tight end plant with Hakeem butler, goedert, dick rod. Adding jackson and possibly JJAW conversion. Probably also adding one in the draft at some point. 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

If there's no major changes, like a new GM/HC... then he has already said everything that matters.  Anything he would come out of his mouth would be meaningless... and just infuriate the fan base.  The group that wants Howie gone will be livid, the group for Doug to go will be livid, the group for Wentz to go... livid.   Speaking would only add fuel to the fire, because nothing he says would placate anyone.

Very valid point that I agree with.  So...is Lurie just a coward?

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think Doug has much leeway.  I mean Lurie moved from Reid after 2 seasons with no playoffs.  He moved on from Kelly after 2 non-playoff years.  He moved on from Rhodes after the 2nd season of not making the playoffs.  I have to think that if Doug's not in the playoffs after next season he's gone.  

I think Roseman goes with Doug unless Lurie believes keeping Roseman gives him a coach he wants.  So if they hired a coach who wanted personnel control  I could see Roseman letting that go to keep a job.  

What coach worth their salt would want to work UNDER (not with.. under, because you know Howie will always be in charge) Howie?   

 

Roseman can't be in charge of anything other than maybe mailing out the season tickets to folks.  And since that position isn't needed any more, since they don't do that and force those preferring paper tickets to pick them up... ( @FranklinFldEBUpper if that's still an option), Howie has no role left with this organization.   He can transfer over and mismanage the funds of the Eagles Youth Partnership or Autism group.  Keep him away from anything related to the football team.

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

We saw Logan Thomas crush us and got jealous.

This is the problem... so reactive.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Starting our tight end plant with Hakeem butler, goedert, dick rod. Adding jackson and possibly JJAW conversion. Probably also adding one in the draft at some point. 

Don't forget the factory grunts, Croom and Wilson.

Is Foles healthy? Would be funny if Bears bench Mitch and Foles beats Saints

I'm kind of rooting for a number of teams. Bills, Colts, Titans, Packers, Browns, and Bears(only if Foles plays)

I don't see Colts winning but wouldn't be upset if Frank wins another one. Would a SB put Rivers into the Hall?

I could see the SB being Bills vs Packers

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

This is the problem... so reactive.

TBF, they did this with Hakeem Butler too.
The Eagles have also historically had successful tight-ends...

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Very valid point that I agree with.  So...is Lurie just a coward?

To a certain extent... I think so.   But, on the other side, what's the plus side of speaking?  It won't make the situation better, only worse.  So, saying something isn't useful.  Because as much as you want to hear what he has to say... you won't like what he says anyway, so you'll just have to be pissed about what you think he is thinking, rather than what he is actually thinking.

Just now, RLC said:

TBF, they did this with Hakeem Butler too.
The Eagles have also historically had successful tight-ends...

Well, the Butler experiment has definitely worked out well so far.

 

Yes, the Eagles often do have good TEs.  But, generally they were all TEs in college.  Trey Burton is the only one I can think of that I'd call successful as a conversion.  And even at that, he was the #3.

24 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Sure... that's a way to go... 

We'll bring in the guy that showed up at the end.

Don’t disagree it’s a way to go i look at it from his theory this way 

2021 if you are looking for a candidate: no cap space and in a massive salary cap hole, high draft picks and massive unknown what direction or what each QB is at the moment 

2022 if you are looking for a candidate: cap space and flexibility, likely high draft picks (assuming we fire doug and howie its cause the season was again like this one) and more info about the situation at QB

I’m not saying he’s right or wrong but in the theory he’s likely correct that optically 2022 would look more attractive topotential candidates than 2021 where there’s no cap, no clear answer at QB and only high draft picks. At least 2022 you would probably have high draft picks and salary cap space. Plus a little more information on what your quarterback situation is.

that said I would’ve made the move this year anyway. Because The writing has been on the wall the last two years. They just were fortunate in 2019 to play in an awful division otherwise we likely would’ve missed the playoffs two years in a row

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What coach worth their salt would want to work UNDER (not with.. under, because you know Howie will always be in charge) Howie?   

 

Roseman can't be in charge of anything other than maybe mailing out the season tickets to folks.  And since that position isn't needed any more, since they don't do that and force those preferring paper tickets to pick them up... ( @FranklinFldEBUpper if that's still an option), Howie has no role left with this organization.   He can transfer over and mismanage the funds of the Eagles Youth Partnership or Autism group.  Keep him away from anything related to the football team.

This is the problem... so reactive.

I think there are always potential coaches that would want the job with Howie for a number of reasons. First, they may not want to deal with cap issues or trades.  As long as they get to bring in their own personnel/scouting people they are getting the support they need.  They could also believe there's less risk with Howie.  I don't know how Lurie is as an owner but I wonder if Howie is viewed as a healthy buffer between the coach and owner.  I feel like Howie is hitching his wagon to Doug at this point.   I believe Lurie is likely to get rid of him but I certainly don't think it's as certain as Lurie firing Doug.  

 

 

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'd like to at least hear from Lurie.  You would think after that disaster of a season that addressing the fans and media would be a priority of his.  Rather odd to not hear a peep from him.  

 

He normally gives a season-end presser, doesn't he?  That would be the chance to address the status of the team and future directions.

Lurie likes to hold on to his staff and players.  Howie went off-track for a while and the team has had many over-the-hill players, all indicative of the owner's style.  Doug won the SB and that will go a long way of staying in favor.  Adding an OC, no matter who make the play calls, will solve some of the problems.  Bump Howie to a position without personnel/draft authorities will open up that position to someone who has the expertise of finding talents.

 

 

Anyone else get excited when they see an Eagles notification and then sad when it's just about PS guys lol

 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah that’s not true. He had will fuller before he got suspended the last 5 weeks of the season. And Brandin cooks who now has 5 years of 7 total years of 1000 yards or more. 

will fuller: 879 yards and 8 tds (11 games— on pace for 1278 yards and 11 tds if not suspended)

brandin cooks: 1150 yards and 6 tds. 

I’m guessing you consider the fact two wide receivers would have gone over 1000 yards and both we’re former first rounders no help? 

I laugh at the national media's narrative in favor of Desean Watson.  According to them, he's never had any WR help, BOB destroyed the entire team (actually I agree with this one), he has no OL, and he has to run for his life on every down.  Multiply their offensive woes and coaching ineptitude x5, and you have the Philadelphia Eagles.  That includes with an interim coach for over half the season.  

8 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

He normally gives a season-end presser, doesn't he?  That would be the chance to address the status of the team and future directions.

Lurie likes to hold on to his staff and players.  Howie went off-track for a while and the team has had many over-the-hill players, all indicative of the owner's style.  Doug won the SB and that will go a long way of staying in favor.  Adding an OC, no matter who make the play calls, will solve some of the problems.  Bump Howie to a position without personnel/draft authorities will open up that position to someone who has the expertise of finding talents.

 

 

I don't think he does, unless there is some major change. I asked one of the beat writers a few days ago and they said there was nothing planned coming up.